I have a question

[gog8tors]

Abraham cheated on Sarah with Hagar (her bestie) and had Ishmail who went on to have Mohammed. Abraham and Sarah has a son, Isaac, and totally kicked that bitch and her bastard son to the curb.

Now, if you want to get into Jesus, I break Christians into 2 categories, literal and modern. I fall somewhere in the middle, but I know two FACTS.

Christianity's single point of failure is Christians.
I am not qualified to judge anyone.

Carry on.

God love ya woman. :love
So these folks are from a half Israelite, and whatever tribe Hagar was from.
I don't think he technically cheated though. It was Sarah's idea for him to sleep with her slave. She was supposed to raise the boy as her own, but when she had Isaac, her promise went out the window/tent.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Abraham cheated on Sarah with Hagar (her bestie) and had Ishmail who went on to have Mohammed. Abraham and Sarah has a son, Isaac, and totally kicked that bitch and her bastard son to the curb.

Now, if you want to get into Jesus, I break Christians into 2 categories, literal and modern. I fall somewhere in the middle, but I know two FACTS.

Christianity's single point of failure is Christians.
I am not qualified to judge anyone.

Carry on.

:spitchick

 

[LisaC]

Abraham cheated on Sarah with Hagar (her bestie) and had Ishmail who went on to have Mohammed. Abraham and Sarah has a son, Isaac, and totally kicked that bitch and her bastard son to the curb.

Now, if you want to get into Jesus, I break Christians into 2 categories, literal and modern. I fall somewhere in the middle, but I know two FACTS.

Christianity's single point of failure is Christians.
I am not qualified to judge anyone.

Carry on.

Except for the fact that the prophet Muhammad was born after the death of Jesus... :whistle

Prophet Muhammad's father's name was Abdullah Ibn Abdul-Muttalib and his
mother's name was Aminah Bint Wahhab Ibn Abd Manaf Ibn Zahrah.

 

[Guard Dad]

There is only one God and he told me you people better straighten up and fly right!
Well....it was that or people better go straight to Buy Rite.

(I really gotta start paying more attention when he is talking, but the burning bush is sooooo distracting)

He also said for you to lose the Crocs

Noooo, that was the debil talking.

GD misunderstood - GD said he was going to be a thong model, God said, "that's a crock" and the angels responded "Amen."

Blasphemy!

 

[dumbestgirlintheworld]

Abraham cheated on Sarah with Hagar (her bestie) and had Ishmail who went on to have Mohammed. Abraham and Sarah has a son, Isaac, and totally kicked that bitch and her bastard son to the curb.

Now, if you want to get into Jesus, I break Christians into 2 categories, literal and modern. I fall somewhere in the middle, but I know two FACTS.

Christianity's single point of failure is Christians.
I am not qualified to judge anyone.

Carry on.

Except for the fact that the prophet Muhammad was born after the death of Jesus... :whistle

Prophet Muhammad's father's name was Abdullah Ibn Abdul-Muttalib and his
mother's name was Aminah Bint Wahhab Ibn Abd Manaf Ibn Zahrah.

Maybe. Jury is out on that. Yes, some do list Islam as being just 1,000 years old.

Course, he also descended to the sky on a winged horse. There is a science to religion, its called archeology.

 

[gog8tors]

Abraham cheated on Sarah with Hagar (her bestie) and had Ishmail who went on to have Mohammed. Abraham and Sarah has a son, Isaac, and totally kicked that bitch and her bastard son to the curb.

Now, if you want to get into Jesus, I break Christians into 2 categories, literal and modern. I fall somewhere in the middle, but I know two FACTS.

Christianity's single point of failure is Christians.
I am not qualified to judge anyone.

Carry on.

Except for the fact that the prophet Muhammad was born after the death of Jesus... :whistle

Prophet Muhammad's father's name was Abdullah Ibn Abdul-Muttalib and his
mother's name was Aminah Bint Wahhab Ibn Abd Manaf Ibn Zahrah.

Maybe. Jury is out on that. Yes, some do list Islam as being just 1,000 years old.

Course, he also descended to the sky on a winged horse. There is a science to religion, its called archeology.

I just love when the Bible is proven with science.

 

[dumbestgirlintheworld]

Indeed. Apologetics is a hobby of mine.

I know nothing about Islam.

 

[LisaC]

Abraham cheated on Sarah with Hagar (her bestie) and had Ishmail who went on to have Mohammed. Abraham and Sarah has a son, Isaac, and totally kicked that bitch and her bastard son to the curb.

Now, if you want to get into Jesus, I break Christians into 2 categories, literal and modern. I fall somewhere in the middle, but I know two FACTS.

Christianity's single point of failure is Christians.
I am not qualified to judge anyone.

Carry on.

Except for the fact that the prophet Muhammad was born after the death of Jesus... :whistle

Prophet Muhammad's father's name was Abdullah Ibn Abdul-Muttalib and his
mother's name was Aminah Bint Wahhab Ibn Abd Manaf Ibn Zahrah.

Maybe. Jury is out on that. Yes, some do list Islam as being just 1,000 years old.

Course, he also descended to the sky on a winged horse. There is a science to religion, its called archeology.

The jury on the Muslim websites seem to concur that the prophet Muhammad was born after Jesus and there was no discussion about his ascending or descending on a winged horse. :cantbelievemyeyes

 

[dumbestgirlintheworld]

OK.

I don't know much - would love to, but don't.

Something about a Buraq. I have one Muslim friend, great friend, but it's been a while since I picked his brain on all of this.

 

[J-man]

Abraham cheated on Sarah with Hagar (her bestie) and had Ishmail who went on to have Mohammed. Abraham and Sarah has a son, Isaac, and totally kicked that bitch and her bastard son to the curb.

Now, if you want to get into Jesus, I break Christians into 2 categories, literal and modern. I fall somewhere in the middle, but I know two FACTS.

Christianity's single point of failure is Christians.
I am not qualified to judge anyone.

Carry on.

Except for the fact that the prophet Muhammad was born after the death of Jesus... :whistle

Prophet Muhammad's father's name was Abdullah Ibn Abdul-Muttalib and his
mother's name was Aminah Bint Wahhab Ibn Abd Manaf Ibn Zahrah.

Maybe. Jury is out on that. Yes, some do list Islam as being just 1,000 years old.

Course, he also descended to the sky on a winged horse. There is a science to religion, its called archeology.

The jury on the Muslim websites seem to concur that the prophet Muhammad was born after Jesus and there was no discussion about his ascending or descending on a winged horse. :cantbelievemyeyes

According to the History Channel it was a spaceship of some kind and he was an Ancient Alien but I haven't Googled that yet. :laugh

 

[Guard Dad]

Abraham cheated on Sarah with Hagar (her bestie) and had Ishmail who went on to have Mohammed. Abraham and Sarah has a son, Isaac, and totally kicked that bitch and her bastard son to the curb.

Now, if you want to get into Jesus, I break Christians into 2 categories, literal and modern. I fall somewhere in the middle, but I know two FACTS.

Christianity's single point of failure is Christians.
I am not qualified to judge anyone.

Carry on.

Except for the fact that the prophet Muhammad was born after the death of Jesus... :whistle

Prophet Muhammad's father's name was Abdullah Ibn Abdul-Muttalib and his
mother's name was Aminah Bint Wahhab Ibn Abd Manaf Ibn Zahrah.

Maybe. Jury is out on that. Yes, some do list Islam as being just 1,000 years old.

Course, he also descended to the sky on a winged horse. There is a science to religion, its called archeology.

The jury on the Muslim websites seem to concur that the prophet Muhammad was born after Jesus and there was no discussion about his ascending or descending on a winged horse. :cantbelievemyeyes

According to the History Channel it was a spaceship of some kind and he was an Ancient Alien but I haven't Googled that yet. :laugh

Did he have green blood and pointy ears?

 

[gog8tors]

According to the History Channel it was a spaceship of some kind and he was an Ancient Alien but I haven't Googled that yet. :laugh
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Did he have green blood and pointy ears?
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Spock? ? ? ? Cool!!
J Man- You been listening to Styx again?

 

[J-man]

Maybe :whistle

 

[Grey Colson]

I'm not copying the quotes - it's getting too long again, but if Jews and Christians believe in the same God, I don't understand why folks don't believe that Muslims can also believe in that same God. I'm not asking about how to get to heaven, I know what Jesus says about that, I'm not disputing that. :dunno :dunno

I guess it can be looked at this way....If we believe, as Jesus states in the Bible, that He and the Father are "one", then not everyone does believe in the same God. If a faith does not teach Jesus as God, then they're not talking about the same feller.

Isn't Christianity the only faith that across the board teaches that? (In references to the fact while some in the Jewish community might believe in Jesus as God overall that is not the mainstream teachings, correct?)

As far as I know....yes.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I'm not copying the quotes - it's getting too long again, but if Jews and Christians believe in the same God, I don't understand why folks don't believe that Muslims can also believe in that same God. I'm not asking about how to get to heaven, I know what Jesus says about that, I'm not disputing that. :dunno :dunno

I guess it can be looked at this way....If we believe, as Jesus states in the Bible, that He and the Father are "one", then not everyone does believe in the same God. If a faith does not teach Jesus as God, then they're not talking about the same feller.

Isn't Christianity the only faith that across the board teaches that? (In references to the fact while some in the Jewish community might believe in Jesus as God overall that is not the mainstream teachings, correct?)

As far as I know....yes.

So then your answer is that Jews (except the ones that believe in Jesus) and Muslims do not worship the same God? I am just trying to clarify and not put words in anyone's mouth. Lots of talking in here so I am not taking anything at face value without asking. )

 

[Blazing Saddles]

I'm not copying the quotes - it's getting too long again, but if Jews and Christians believe in the same God, I don't understand why folks don't believe that Muslims can also believe in that same God. I'm not asking about how to get to heaven, I know what Jesus says about that, I'm not disputing that. :dunno :dunno

why don't you make a list of the attributes of God and see if you can find those in the Koran.

 

[stradial]

Abraham cheated on Sarah with Hagar (her bestie) and had Ishmail who went on to have Mohammed. Abraham and Sarah has a son, Isaac, and totally kicked that bitch and her bastard son to the curb.

Now, if you want to get into Jesus, I break Christians into 2 categories, literal and modern. I fall somewhere in the middle, but I know two FACTS.

Christianity's single point of failure is Christians.
I am not qualified to judge anyone.

Carry on.

You surely don't mean Hagar the Horrible?

 

[Grey Colson]

I'm not copying the quotes - it's getting too long again, but if Jews and Christians believe in the same God, I don't understand why folks don't believe that Muslims can also believe in that same God. I'm not asking about how to get to heaven, I know what Jesus says about that, I'm not disputing that. :dunno :dunno

I guess it can be looked at this way....If we believe, as Jesus states in the Bible, that He and the Father are "one", then not everyone does believe in the same God. If a faith does not teach Jesus as God, then they're not talking about the same feller.

Isn't Christianity the only faith that across the board teaches that? (In references to the fact while some in the Jewish community might believe in Jesus as God overall that is not the mainstream teachings, correct?)

As far as I know....yes.

So then your answer is that Jews (except the ones that believe in Jesus) and Muslims do not worship the same God? I am just trying to clarify and not put words in anyone's mouth. Lots of talking in here so I am not taking anything at face value without asking. )

Think of the Trinity. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. My daughter asked when she was young for a more simple way to understand it. The only thing I could think of was an egg. The shell, yoke and white. They are all 3 separate "things", if you will, but each make up the egg as 1 "thing."

What I guess I'm trying to say is that, if we believe what is written in God's Word then we believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all part of the same "egg" for lack of a better comparison. If another organized religion rejects Jesus Christ as part of that Trinity, their "egg" is different than ours.

To be part of that Trinity, Jesus can't be a profit such a Muhammad, but God in the flesh as he was here on earth.

John 1:1-3 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made."

The Bible is referencing Jesus Christ here, because verse 14 it states..."And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."

As I read these scriptures, I have a decision to make. Do I believe it or not? In my case, yes. Given such a clear description, without ambiguity or confusion, then I believe that Jesus was in the beginning with God and literally is God, not some profit. Those who reject Christ may worship someone or something they call god, but it's not the same God IMHO. Don't shoot the messenger, I didn't write the rules, just read the rule book.

 

[stradial]

I'm not copying the quotes - it's getting too long again, but if Jews and Christians believe in the same God, I don't understand why folks don't believe that Muslims can also believe in that same God. I'm not asking about how to get to heaven, I know what Jesus says about that, I'm not disputing that. :dunno :dunno

I guess it can be looked at this way....If we believe, as Jesus states in the Bible, that He and the Father are "one", then not everyone does believe in the same God. If a faith does not teach Jesus as God, then they're not talking about the same feller.

Isn't Christianity the only faith that across the board teaches that? (In references to the fact while some in the Jewish community might believe in Jesus as God overall that is not the mainstream teachings, correct?)

As far as I know....yes.

So then your answer is that Jews (except the ones that believe in Jesus) and Muslims do not worship the same God? I am just trying to clarify and not put words in anyone's mouth. Lots of talking in here so I am not taking anything at face value without asking. )

Think of the Trinity. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. My daughter asked when she was young for a more simple way to understand it. The only thing I could think of was an egg. The shell, yoke and white. They are all 3 separate "things", if you will, but each make up the egg as 1 "thing."

What I guess I'm trying to say is that, if we believe what is written in God's Word then we believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all part of the same "egg" for lack of a better comparison. If another organized religion rejects Jesus Christ as part of that Trinity, their "egg" is different than ours.

To be part of that Trinity, Jesus can't be a profit such a Muhammad, but God in the flesh as he was here on earth.

John 1:1-3 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made."

The Bible is referencing Jesus Christ here, because verse 14 it states..."And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."

As I read these scriptures, I have a decision to make. Do I believe it or not? In my case, yes. Given such a clear description, without ambiguity or confusion, then I believe that Jesus was in the beginning with God and literally is God, not some profit. Those who reject Christ may worship someone or something they call god, but it's not the same God IMHO. Don't shoot the messenger, I didn't write the rules, just read the rule book.

I really try hard to walk carefully around these type of topics.
A belief in the Almighty is such a personal thing and it is easy to step on someone's toes without meaning to.
I grew up with a loving mother and father who did and still do believe in an Almighty God and the Bible and attending church every time the doors were open.
After many years of trying to live the path that I was taught God wanted me to tread (at least the way I understood what I was taught) and many years of living the path that I wanted to tread and many years of trying to understand what God is and what God wants me (us) to do and how He would have me (us) live, I have come to believe some basic things that I feel are true.

I believe that God is pure love, nothing more than that.
He loves every thing that is alive and he loves everything that is not what we would consider alive.
I believe that God created everything that exists and he loves it all.
As someone who has deeply felt love, for my family, the ladies that I have known, the friends that I have, my wife and most deeply, my son.
I believe that someone who gave me life and the ability to feel this love for others has to feel this same love themselves or else how could I have that feeling in me.
If love for another is the strongest feeling I (or mankind) can have, then how much greater could that feeling be in one who is all knowing and all powerful and that is the creator of this feeling in me?
I think it has to be the number one thing that the creator wanted to pass on to man, so it has to be so much greater in the creator than I could ever imagine.
For the reasons I have stated above, that is as much as I think I could ever say that I know for a certainty about God. (and I could be wrong about that)

I believe that for me to say I know what God thinks and what God feels would be extremely egotistical and arrogant for me.
No matter how much I have studied what I believe to be his word, no matter how much I have felt what I believe to be his guidance, no matter how much I have felt, seen and yes, even experienced, what I believe to be his touch, his power and his miracles.
The best that I can say is, "This is my belief, this is what I have come to understand, this is what I have seen and have had happened to me."

As someone who misunderstands and misreads, more than I would care to admit, the people I am closest to, how could I ever say that I know what is in God's heart and mind and how God sees those who attempt to worship and love him.

If I have stepped on anyone's toes, I truly do apologize, it was not my intention to do so.
As I will always say when discussing things to do with the great Creator, these are my thoughts and beliefs at this time in my life.
I believe them to be true, for me.
But check back with me in the future, for I have learned one thing to be absolutely true and that is that when it comes to the Almighty, I am never going to be through learning and hopefully growing.
(usually by making mistakes and finding out I was wrong)

 

[ShoeDiva]

I'm not copying the quotes - it's getting too long again, but if Jews and Christians believe in the same God, I don't understand why folks don't believe that Muslims can also believe in that same God. I'm not asking about how to get to heaven, I know what Jesus says about that, I'm not disputing that. :dunno :dunno

I guess it can be looked at this way....If we believe, as Jesus states in the Bible, that He and the Father are "one", then not everyone does believe in the same God. If a faith does not teach Jesus as God, then they're not talking about the same feller.

Isn't Christianity the only faith that across the board teaches that? (In references to the fact while some in the Jewish community might believe in Jesus as God overall that is not the mainstream teachings, correct?)

As far as I know....yes.

So then your answer is that Jews (except the ones that believe in Jesus) and Muslims do not worship the same God? I am just trying to clarify and not put words in anyone's mouth. Lots of talking in here so I am not taking anything at face value without asking. )

Think of the Trinity. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. My daughter asked when she was young for a more simple way to understand it. The only thing I could think of was an egg. The shell, yoke and white. They are all 3 separate "things", if you will, but each make up the egg as 1 "thing."

What I guess I'm trying to say is that, if we believe what is written in God's Word then we believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all part of the same "egg" for lack of a better comparison. If another organized religion rejects Jesus Christ as part of that Trinity, their "egg" is different than ours.

To be part of that Trinity, Jesus can't be a profit such a Muhammad, but God in the flesh as he was here on earth.

John 1:1-3 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made."

The Bible is referencing Jesus Christ here, because verse 14 it states..."And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."

As I read these scriptures, I have a decision to make. Do I believe it or not? In my case, yes. Given such a clear description, without ambiguity or confusion, then I believe that Jesus was in the beginning with God and literally is God, not some profit. Those who reject Christ may worship someone or something they call god, but it's not the same God IMHO. Don't shoot the messenger, I didn't write the rules, just read the rule book.

I understand Christianity and the trinity. I asked if you though Jews and Muslims worshiped the same God. The Pope does, even George Bush ) said that is what he thinks. I have no issue if your opinion is that they do not, but if it is just say so. LOL