I have a question

[gog8tors]

We know that the Jews are Israelites.
We know that Christians are those of us who have accepted Jesus.
We know that Wiccians, and Pagans are sorta the same.
Etc.

So where did the Muslims come from? Are they the Canaanites, or any of the other people we have heard of in the Bible?

 

[gog8tors]

No one knows either?
Well guess I'll just have to do some research.

 

[stradial]

You have a question, I have an answer.
Unfortunately, my answer does not relate to your question.

The best I have on your question is :dunno

 

[Sadie612]

You have a question, I have an answer.
Unfortunately, my answer does not relate to your question.

The best I have on your question is :dunno

what he said...


oh yeah, if you want to tick a redneck off...tell them Jesus wasn't white

 

[stradial]

You have a question, I have an answer.
Unfortunately, my answer does not relate to your question.

The best I have on your question is :dunno

what he said...


oh yeah, if you want to tick a redneck off...tell them Jesus wasn't white

:faint

 

[LisaC]

Wasn't Muhammad born in Mecca? :dunno He is deemed the "prophet" of the Muslim faith.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Wasn't Muhammad born in Mecca? :dunno He is deemed the "prophet" of the Muslim faith.

Isn't he a descendant of Abraham? Son has not made it to Muslim in religion class, though I guess I could look in his book. Or ask family. They will know better than wiki. )

 

[naturegirl]

Wasn't Muhammad born in Mecca? :dunno He is deemed the "prophet" of the Muslim faith.

Abraham, the common father of Christianity, Jewish and Muslims................ Muhammad was likened to Moses.

Here's some interesting info on the three. I have a Jewish friend that gave me some literature about this several years ago. I'll have to see if I can find it.

 

[Guard Dad]

Are you asking about the Muslim faith, Muslim culture, or just Arabs in general?

Muslim is a religion and could even be considered a culture; but it is not a race per se.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

 

[J-man]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

First time I realized the democrats could claim biblical prophesy too, sounds just like those of modern day.

By the way, your explanation was very well said. Couldn't have been said any more clearly.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

First time I realized the democrats could claim biblical prophesy too, sounds just like those of modern day.

By the way, your explanation was very well said. Couldn't have been said any more clearly.

thank you

 

[gog8tors]

Thanks.
GD I was thinking Muslims in general.

 

[ShoeDiva]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

 

[J-man]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

And when your friend of family comes back with a different explanation which will carry more credibility in your eyes? And how can you make the assumption that nobody here can answer on experience of what "they" teach?

 

[Blazing Saddles]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

 

[ShoeDiva]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I will post it whether I agree with it or not. :thumbsup

If I am going to answer honestly, and I am, I am not trying to be disrespectful, but in many instances over the years many have presented an incorrect theory/idea/whatever on what Catholics believe. I understand where some of the interpretation has come from, but ours (when G was here and I believe Mac has chimed in too ) also came from the bible and we totally looked at it differently. Because of this I wanted someone that practiced that faith to give us an answer. You know I embrace the practice and idea that none of us are always right and are influenced in our belief and what we read in the bible by what we have been taught. I do not believe any of us have the final answer until we die. So with all that in mind I just really wanted an answer that came directly from them. You do not have to agree with it, but at the very least you will know how they interpret it.

 

[LisaC]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I don't know why an Iman wouldn't answer this question "correctly." The question is simply "where did Muslims come from." :dunno

 

[LisaC]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I will post it whether I agree with it or not. :thumbsup

If I am going to answer honestly, and I am, I am not trying to be disrespectful, but in many instances over the years many have presented an incorrect theory/idea/whatever on what Catholics believe. I understand where some of the interpretation has come from, but ours (when G was here and I believe Mac has chimed in too ) also came from the bible and we totally looked at it differently. Because of this I wanted someone that practiced that faith to give us an answer. You know I embrace the practice and idea that none of us are always right and are influenced in our belief and what we read in the bible by what we have been taught. I do not believe any of us have the final answer until we die. So with all that in mind I just really wanted an answer that came directly from them. You do not have to agree with it, but at the very least you will know how they interpret it.

Just so you know, I've been told that only the Baptist interpretation of the Bible is the right one... :whistle :whistle :whistle


:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

 

[J-man]

Just as there may be different christian views on this topic, there may also be different Muslim views. In all fairness you need multiple Muslim interpretations. Not than any will affect my interpretation, but I too am interested in hearing views of others. We just need to scrutinize all sides equally.