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there is a difference between "sounds like" and being alike. This is why it is important to understand scripture.LisaC said:
I have a question
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a counterfeit hundred dollar bill looks like the real thing but it is not. if you study the real hundred dollar bill, you will be able to see the differences in a counterfeit.
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There is much discussion on whether that is a true statement because they believe that Heaven is a paradise and anyone who gets into Heaven will get the servants, it’s not specific to martyrs. So my point is that I have seen it over and over in the news that the infidels get the virgins upon entering paradise and it does not state that only they do. :dunno (and it says wives in the Hadith)
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honeybunny said:LisaC said:ShoeDiva said:honeybunny said:LisaC said:Blazing Saddles said:I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.ShoeDiva said:Blazing Saddles said:The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing.)
I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.
I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.
Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?
I don't know why an Iman wouldn't answer this question "correctly." The question is simply "where did Muslims come from." :dunno
Iman is a supermodel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_(model)
Imam is a leader in the Muslim religion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam
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And? What are you saying with your link and whistle? I do not get it.
That you spelled it wrong... Look closer. :laugh
Everyone in this thread has spelled it wrong, and it is driving me nuts.
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I'm sorry...I started it.
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I'm on the road right now. Sorry, can't respond.
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Guard Dad said:
In all my reading I show that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God. The teachings and perceptions can differ vastly but it is one God.
Bush told Al Arabiya television, “I believe there is a universal God. I believe the God that the Muslim prays to is the same God that I pray to. After all, we all came from Abraham. I believe in that universality.”
Pope John Paul II drew from the same rhetorical well several times.
“We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection,” he first said in a speech to Muslims in Morocco in 1985.
Jewish tradition teaches that there is one and only one God, creator of everything, and He established physical and moral laws. As Judaism’s preeminent prayer says: “The Lord our God, the Lord is one.”
This God walks and talks directly with His creations – for a while.
Eventually, He chooses one particular nomad (Abraham) to father a mighty nation that God sets up as an example to other nations.
Christian God are the traditional teachings about the Trinity and Jesus. God is three separate persons who are also one. How? Christianity says the Trinity is a “mystery” of faith.
According to Christian tradition, God begets a son who is somehow also Him but not Him to atone for Original Sin. He sacrifices that son though a brutal death and thus achieves humanity's salvation.
The Muslim God is a bit more like the Jewish God.
There is no Trinity in Muslim tradition. Jesus was a prophet, but no more divine than other prophets.
God has never has had anything like physical attributes and has no gender.
Muslim tradition holds that God wants one thing from humans: Submission. The word “Islam” is defined as “submission to the will of God.”
Do Christians Muslims, and Jews, really all worship the same God?
In two major volumes on the subject recently published by scholars from various faiths and traditions, including Volf’s, the most inclusive response from these scholars is basically: Yes, and it’s our God.
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I'm really kind of shocked at some of the questions here. If you know what you believe, doesn't that automatically help you in what you don't believe? Know what you believe but more importantly, know why you believe it.
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There is some political correctness in all that.
Part of the problem is Islam is the interpretation that Mohammed brought to his followers. I'm not an expert on the quran, but some of the teachings of Allah are in conflict with what our Bible teaches. So even if various religions started under a common God, the writings have, in many cases, been perverted to have totally different meanings.