I have a question

[ShoeDiva]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

And when your friend of family comes back with a different explanation which will carry more credibility in your eyes? And how can you make the assumption that nobody here can answer on experience of what "they" teach?

I answered most of this question in my post to BS. I will not find his answer more credible as in it is true, just in that is what they believe to be true.

 

[ShoeDiva]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I will post it whether I agree with it or not. :thumbsup

If I am going to answer honestly, and I am, I am not trying to be disrespectful, but in many instances over the years many have presented an incorrect theory/idea/whatever on what Catholics believe. I understand where some of the interpretation has come from, but ours (when G was here and I believe Mac has chimed in too ) also came from the bible and we totally looked at it differently. Because of this I wanted someone that practiced that faith to give us an answer. You know I embrace the practice and idea that none of us are always right and are influenced in our belief and what we read in the bible by what we have been taught. I do not believe any of us have the final answer until we die. So with all that in mind I just really wanted an answer that came directly from them. You do not have to agree with it, but at the very least you will know how they interpret it.

Just so you know, I've been told that only the Baptist interpretation of the Bible is the right one... :whistle :whistle :whistle


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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I live in Georgia..I know. :taunt :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :love

 

[Blazing Saddles]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I will post it whether I agree with it or not. :thumbsup

If I am going to answer honestly, and I am, I am not trying to be disrespectful, but in many instances over the years many have presented an incorrect theory/idea/whatever on what Catholics believe. I understand where some of the interpretation has come from, but ours (when G was here and I believe Mac has chimed in too ) also came from the bible and we totally looked at it differently. Because of this I wanted someone that practiced that faith to give us an answer. You know I embrace the practice and idea that none of us are always right and are influenced in our belief and what we read in the bible by what we have been taught. I do not believe any of us have the final answer until we die. So with all that in mind I just really wanted an answer that came directly from them. You do not have to agree with it, but at the very least you will know how they interpret it.

I have no problem with asking anyone about anything but I'd be shocked if he and I agreed because we are using two different standards. One of the reasons I chose to believe what the Bible says is due to the fact that 1000's of prophecies were specifically mentioned hundreds of years before they were fulfilled. No other book or collection of writings even comes close to the accuracy shown in scriptures. However, it will be interesting to see what this guy has to say.

 

[honeybunny]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I don't know why an Iman wouldn't answer this question "correctly." The question is simply "where did Muslims come from." :dunno

Iman is a supermodel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_(model)

Imam is a leader in the Muslim religion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam


:whistle

 

[J-man]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I don't know why an Iman wouldn't answer this question "correctly." The question is simply "where did Muslims come from." :dunno

As I don't know why the Bible or pastor wouldn't provide the correct answer. The answer is simply which do you believe?

 

[Blazing Saddles]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I don't know why an Iman wouldn't answer this question "correctly." The question is simply "where did Muslims come from." :dunno

As I don't know why the Bible or pastor wouldn't provide the correct answer. The answer is simply which do you believe?

And this is why you must look to the "source" . Scriptures that have proved themselves alone over the years is why I chose to believe and what God has to say. After all, in the beginning was the Word and the Word was made flesh and He dwelt among us all. Amen.

 

[LisaC]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I don't know why an Iman wouldn't answer this question "correctly." The question is simply "where did Muslims come from." :dunno

As I don't know why the Bible or pastor wouldn't provide the correct answer. The answer is simply which do you believe?

I googled and got this:

In Muslim tradition, Muhammad (c. 570 – June 8, 632) is viewed as the last in a
series of prophets. During the last 22 years of his life, beginning at age 40 in
610 CE, according to the earliest surviving biographies, Muhammad reported
revelations that he believed to be from God conveyed to him through the archanel
Gabriel (Jibril). The content of these revelations, known as the Qur'an,
was memorized and recorded by his companions.

This is how the Muslim faith was started in Mecca. My Bible says nothing about this, that doesn't mean that it isn't true. Now an Iman may say more about Muhammad and what the foundation of their beliefs are, and if he does, I would be interested in hearing what he has to say. :dunno

 

[J-man]

I forgot we now have Google, guess we don't need our Bibles anymore. What would be interesting is the Iman's view on where Christians came from.

 

[stradial]

So the answer to "So where did the Muslims come from?" is not; From Mommy and Daddy Muslims?

 

[Blazing Saddles]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I don't know why an Iman wouldn't answer this question "correctly." The question is simply "where did Muslims come from." :dunno

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I don't know why an Iman wouldn't answer this question "correctly." The question is simply "where did Muslims come from." :dunno

As I don't know why the Bible or pastor wouldn't provide the correct answer. The answer is simply which do you believe?

I googled and got this:

In Muslim tradition, Muhammad (c. 570 – June 8, 632) is viewed as the last in a
series of prophets. During the last 22 years of his life, beginning at age 40 in
610 CE, according to the earliest surviving biographies, Muhammad reported
revelations that he believed to be from God conveyed to him through the archanel
Gabriel (Jibril). The content of these revelations, known as the Qur'an,
was memorized and recorded by his companions.

This is how the Muslim faith was started in Mecca. My Bible says nothing about this, that doesn't mean that it isn't true. Now an Iman may say more about Muhammad and what the foundation of their beliefs are, and if he does, I would be interested in hearing what he has to say. :dunno

It isn't the 'faith' that Gogators was asking but instead where the people originated from. That's why I answered the way the Bible explains. So yes, the Bible does say something about the original question asked.

As for your statement that the Bible doesn't say anything about Islam? It does....."there shall be no other gods before me". I can list hundreds of scriptures that mention other gods and pagan practices.

 

[LisaC]

From a website that teaches about Islam (not a Christian website that interprets Islam):

Muslims believe in One, Unique, Incomparable God; in the Angels created by
Him; in the prophets through whom His revelations were brought to mankind; in
the Day of Judgement and individual accountability for actions; in God's
complete authority over human destiny and in life after death. Muslims believe
in a chain of prophets starting with Adam and including Noah, Abraham, Ishmael,
Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias, Jonah, John the
Baptist, and Jesus, peace be upon them. But God's final message to man, a
reconfirmation of the eternal message and a summing-up of all that has gone
before was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad through Gabriel.

I deleted all of the quotes before - it's getting too long. But, according to this website, it sounds like Muslims believe in the same God that we believe in - they just refer to him as Allah.

 

[ShoeDiva]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I don't know why an Iman wouldn't answer this question "correctly." The question is simply "where did Muslims come from." :dunno

Iman is a supermodel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_(model)

Imam is a leader in the Muslim religion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam


:whistle

And? What are you saying with your link and whistle? I do not get it.

 

[LisaC]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I don't know why an Iman wouldn't answer this question "correctly." The question is simply "where did Muslims come from." :dunno

Iman is a supermodel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_(model)

Imam is a leader in the Muslim religion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam


:whistle

And? What are you saying with your link and whistle? I do not get it.

That you spelled it wrong... Look closer. :laugh

 

[ShoeDiva]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I don't know why an Iman wouldn't answer this question "correctly." The question is simply "where did Muslims come from." :dunno

Iman is a supermodel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_(model)

Imam is a leader in the Muslim religion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam


:whistle

And? What are you saying with your link and whistle? I do not get it.

That you spelled it wrong... Look closer. :laugh

) Darn letters are too close!!! Good catch HB. I did not even see it after you posted!

 

[LisaC]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I don't know why an Iman wouldn't answer this question "correctly." The question is simply "where did Muslims come from." :dunno

Iman is a supermodel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_(model)

Imam is a leader in the Muslim religion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam


:whistle

And? What are you saying with your link and whistle? I do not get it.

That you spelled it wrong... Look closer. :laugh

) Darn letters are too close!!! Good catch HB. I did not even see it after you posted!

:drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva

 

[ShoeDiva]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I don't know why an Iman wouldn't answer this question "correctly." The question is simply "where did Muslims come from." :dunno

Iman is a supermodel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_(model)

Imam is a leader in the Muslim religion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam


:whistle

And? What are you saying with your link and whistle? I do not get it.

That you spelled it wrong... Look closer. :laugh

) Darn letters are too close!!! Good catch HB. I did not even see it after you posted!

:drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva

:snick_bunny it is 5 somewhere...right? ) ) )

 

[Madea]

From a website that teaches about Islam (not a Christian website that interprets Islam):

Muslims believe in One, Unique, Incomparable God; in the Angels created by
Him; in the prophets through whom His revelations were brought to mankind; in
the Day of Judgement and individual accountability for actions; in God's
complete authority over human destiny and in life after death. Muslims believe
in a chain of prophets starting with Adam and including Noah, Abraham, Ishmael,
Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias, Jonah, John the
Baptist, and Jesus, peace be upon them. But God's final message to man, a
reconfirmation of the eternal message and a summing-up of all that has gone
before was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad through Gabriel.

I deleted all of the quotes before - it's getting too long. But, according to this website, it sounds like Muslims believe in the same God that we believe in - they just refer to him as Allah.

You left out all the virgins they get for taking out the infidels.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

From a website that teaches about Islam (not a Christian website that interprets Islam):

Muslims believe in One, Unique, Incomparable God; in the Angels created by
Him; in the prophets through whom His revelations were brought to mankind; in
the Day of Judgement and individual accountability for actions; in God's
complete authority over human destiny and in life after death. Muslims believe
in a chain of prophets starting with Adam and including Noah, Abraham, Ishmael,
Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias, Jonah, John the
Baptist, and Jesus, peace be upon them. But God's final message to man, a
reconfirmation of the eternal message and a summing-up of all that has gone
before was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad through Gabriel.

I deleted all of the quotes before - it's getting too long. But, according to this website, it sounds like Muslims believe in the same God that we believe in - they just refer to him as Allah.

No they don't. We've had this discussion in another thread.

 

[LisaC]

From a website that teaches about Islam (not a Christian website that interprets Islam):

Muslims believe in One, Unique, Incomparable God; in the Angels created by
Him; in the prophets through whom His revelations were brought to mankind; in
the Day of Judgement and individual accountability for actions; in God's
complete authority over human destiny and in life after death. Muslims believe
in a chain of prophets starting with Adam and including Noah, Abraham, Ishmael,
Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias, Jonah, John the
Baptist, and Jesus, peace be upon them. But God's final message to man, a
reconfirmation of the eternal message and a summing-up of all that has gone
before was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad through Gabriel.

I deleted all of the quotes before - it's getting too long. But, according to this website, it sounds like Muslims believe in the same God that we believe in - they just refer to him as Allah.

No they don't. We've had this discussion in another thread.

Well, it certainly sounds like the same God... :cantbelievemyeyes :cantbelievemyeyes :cantbelievemyeyes

The Prophet Muhammad said:

Whoever believes there is no god but God, alone without partner, that
Muhammad is His messenger, that Jesus is the servant and messenger of God, His
word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating from Him, and that Paradise and
Hell are true, shall be received by God into Heaven.
(Hadith from Bukhari)

 

[honeybunny]

The Muslim line is a direct descendant of Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. Hagar was a servant of Abraham who was given permission to sleep with by his wife Sarah. She and Abraham knew of the promise God had told them about a child one day but Sarah disobeyed and allowed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. Previously, God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars and he kept that promise with Ishmael as well. Even though God had his line already planned, He still blessed Hagar and Ishmael however the prophetic line was only allowed through Abraham and Sarah's child Isaac, who they had later. God's chosen people have followed through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which later begat King David which later begat Joseph and Mary. This is why the Muslim of today claim the promised land of Israel too. They feel they are entitled too it since Abraham was given the blessing however the Bible is clear which line was to receive the blessings and that is through Isaac. As for Muhammad, he wasn't a biblical prophet and isn't mentioned in any prophecy. He is a self proclaimed "prophet" without any thing to back it up. You and I might as well claim the same status as he because it would carry the same weight. Absolutely nothing. )

I hope you do not mind, but I do not think your answer is what Muslims would agree is totally correct, so I sent a message to the Iman of a mosque in Atlanta. (friend of family) He is a recognized authority of Islamic theology.

I have no problem if that is what you believe, but since no one here can give an answer on experience of what they teach I thought we should have one.

I don't mind anyone questioning anything but of course a muslim isn't going to agree with everything I just said because I am using the Holy Bible as the reference. Muslims believe they are entitled to the inheritance because Ishmael was the first born. That coincides with the traditions of the people. Since I submit to what the word of God says and I believe what the God of the Universe has declared, personally, I really don't worry if a muslim agrees with this or not. He serves evil according to scripture and is taught to lie to the infidel so his word doesn't mean much in the eyes of someone who has been set free by the Truth. This is one of the reasons they have been fighting for years over in the middle east and until the Jews are eradicated by the muslims and they control all of Israel along with Jerusalem, they will continue fighting. Please post this guys response to your question because I am always interested in what they think.

Just as J-man has said, will this Iman's opinion of the matter make a difference to what you believe if what he says contradicts what scripture says?

I don't know why an Iman wouldn't answer this question "correctly." The question is simply "where did Muslims come from." :dunno

Iman is a supermodel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_(model)

Imam is a leader in the Muslim religion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam


:whistle

And? What are you saying with your link and whistle? I do not get it.

That you spelled it wrong... Look closer. :laugh

Everyone in this thread has spelled it wrong, and it is driving me nuts.


:Stick