Can the Gay lifestyle be washed away by our Lord, Jesus?

[Guard Dad]

JMO, but I do not think the second time around on this was as good as the first. :dunno

I only see one person...beatboxingranny who won't listen to reason. I remember seeing his post before elsewhere about his wife and cancer and I am so sorry he continues to hurt. But blaming it on God won't change anything. Nearly most of my family are gone as well as my parents. I have my sisters, two uncles, one aunt, and cousins, nephews and nieces and that is all. I miss them everyday all of them that have passed but I had to move on and believe me, I wish they were here now as I could use their advice and all.

But I spoke and some will listen, others won't.

Chris - I think you have him confused with someone else. He's definitely not that person.

And let's please not get personal in the responses.

 

[Guard Dad]

JMO, but I do not think the second time around on this was as good as the first. :dunno

I would make it better but I am trying not to get booted by the "Hiddens" for questioning the "Untouchables".

I bet you look really sexy in tin foil. :

 

[ShoeDiva]

Yes we will all know in the end, but I wish that some of the fantastic comments of the last time were again posted. As I said the last time, why would anyone choose to be hated, deemed less, a sinner? I know not one gay person that would. Do I believe some do choose, for whatever reason, a gay lifestyle over a heterosexual one, yes, but the majority of gay men and women I know have always been that way.

What about the science that is now showing their brains are different? If it eventually shows positively that they where born that way, does your stance change?

We all sin, if a sin, their sin is no worse than mine, yet we have pages and pages of conversation on how they made this choice and it can be changed. You (general) make the choice and sin and we do not do that to you, so I do believe that many sit in judgement of the gay lifestyle.

Glass houses and all.

Of course we all sin and that's what I was talking about. I don't believe there is a "degree" of sin either and any of those "sins" we commit on a regular basis could be managed if we allow God to have control. I'm one of those sinners myself.

I don't think we should lump all Christians together by suggesting that they are sitting in judgment just because the subject is discussed. The subject of homosexuality being sinful is not something dreamed up by a couple of Georgia Bible thumpers....it's addressed directly in God's Word. HE is the only judge, just as he is the judge of those who steal or lie or cheat or use His name in vain or lust after their neighbor's wife.

Just as people become frustrated about the subject being discussed, there is an equal number who become frustrated when they constantly have people insist that they endorse the lifestyle.

This subject will probably be discussed by countless thousands in the future. I doubt a reasonable discussion on this little board will make much difference in the big picture.

And my question?

(BTW I was not lumping Christians, I am a Christian)

Okay, where is this study? Is it from the same science that proclaims everything exploded into existence from nothing?

Just as there are scientists on both sides of the Creation vs. Evolution fence, I don't doubt a little research can reveal an opposing view of this subject as well.

Wow. :shakinghead:

I can look for the study later, but I asked IF the study shows conclusively would it change your stance?


Seriously this topic did not go as well as the last time. :dunno

Sorry...I don't understand the "Wow" part.

I suppose I shouldn't have asked, even though it was a reasonable request. Sorry.

Seriously, my stance doesn't even matter. It's God's stance that anyone should be interested in and, unless His Word is flawed, He's already spoken to the issue.

Gotta go for now...it's getting busy here now that all the 8 to 5vers have decided to drag into work. :whistle

I said wow, because of how you asked, not that you asked. (The sentence starting with "Okay") You can ask!! It just seemed condescending how it was presented.

You saying it is God's stance is where I am unsure. He has already spoken. (I went to parochial school people do not post all the scripture, I know where it is. ) I believe if you asked 10 people of 10 different religions they will give you 10 different interpretations of the same passage.

I know many gay people that are very religious, how do we explain that? They are able to recite verse, give great Christian advice, but totally believe that they were born gay and that it was God that created them that way. Are they wrong? I do not know.

Have a good day at work. Stay safe.

 

[ShoeDiva]

JMO, but I do not think the second time around on this was as good as the first. :dunno

I would make it better but I am trying not to get booted by the "Hiddens" for questioning the "Untouchables".

I bet you look really sexy in tin foil. :

Are you looking at his pictures again? )

 

[LisaC]

Do I think God can change the heart of a homosexual - yes. If He can raise the dead, this is a no-brainer to me.

As for homosexuality being a disease - I don't think so, but I think there is a lot of credibility in studies showing that there is a gene (or genetic mutation) that increases the likelihood of someone being a homosexual. The question then becomes if scientists are able to pinpoint this gene, is there a way to change a person's genetic makeup to alter the "gay" gene? If so, you have just found the "cure" to homosexuality.

Now, let's face it. Questioning our beliefs about homosexuality is one of the ways that non-Christians like to use to attack Christians, because if we don't approve of homosexuality, then we should be deemed the worst people on the planet. My stance, I don't give a flying rat's potato about homosexuality, period. (And, I'm a Baptist!). If you choose to live that lifestyle, then do it. The Bible commands me to love you regardless - that's the best example of Jesus that I can show you.

 

[Foxmeister]

BBG - If you have something meaningful to contribute, please do. Otherwise, please let us hold a civil and adult discussion on the issue.

Thanks

Meaningful? On this sight? Ha!! Is this guy part of the Good Ol' Boy club that are untouchable? Why do you all hate gays and think gayness is something that can just be prayed away? It makes no sense to me. You are telling me that children die everyday, wars are started, people starve to death, horrible, awful things happen yet this guy prayed to God to never want to crave another mans jelly roll and BAM!!! he's straight? Does God really hate gays so much that he is willing to bypass the prayers of a Mother whose son is dying of cancer, just to answer a "I'm tirerd of being gay" prayer? Why? Also, I'm not bashing God, in fact, I kinda like to believe their is one. I just think some of you zealots take it a little to far. Nothing "meaninful" in this post but there is a question. No rules broken.

Thanks.

God cures sin, man does not. All of us have a clock and only He knows when, how, and why we will die. He has His reasons that sometimes we will never know why. Each of us has a purpose in this life and how we live it, determines a lot of things. And God and none of us hate gays. I have two lesbian friends that I know well and are on my Facebook page. They know where I stand on the issue of gay and lesbian...and they know that I do not hate them...only their gay/lesbian lifestyle and that I am a Christian, but they respect that. Xgay Greg is not the only one in this world that has come to God and been cured by His blood. Everyone has freewill...God granted that and its up to each of us to take it or leave it.

But the word you use, "Cured" insinuates that homosexuality is a disease, a sickness which through a little prayer can be cured. Cancer is also a disease or a sickness but apparently cannot be cured by a little prayer. In my opinion, if you hate someones lifestyle, you in turn must hate them for living said lifestyle. Why doesnt God give all murderers and rapists cancer? He just lets them live and man must determine when they must die.

I have a cousin and a nephew who are gay. I don't condone their lifestyle at all, but I do love them.

 

[Foxmeister]

BBG - If you have something meaningful to contribute, please do. Otherwise, please let us hold a civil and adult discussion on the issue.

Thanks

Meaningful? On this sight? Ha!! Is this guy part of the Good Ol' Boy club that are untouchable? Why do you all hate gays and think gayness is something that can just be prayed away? It makes no sense to me. You are telling me that children die everyday, wars are started, people starve to death, horrible, awful things happen yet this guy prayed to God to never want to crave another mans jelly roll and BAM!!! he's straight? Does God really hate gays so much that he is willing to bypass the prayers of a Mother whose son is dying of cancer, just to answer a "I'm tirerd of being gay" prayer? Why? Also, I'm not bashing God, in fact, I kinda like to believe their is one. I just think some of you zealots take it a little to far. Nothing "meaninful" in this post but there is a question. No rules broken.

Thanks.

God cures sin, man does not. All of us have a clock and only He knows when, how, and why we will die. He has His reasons that sometimes we will never know why. Each of us has a purpose in this life and how we live it, determines a lot of things. And God and none of us hate gays. I have two lesbian friends that I know well and are on my Facebook page. They know where I stand on the issue of gay and lesbian...and they know that I do not hate them...only their gay/lesbian lifestyle and that I am a Christian, but they respect that. Xgay Greg is not the only one in this world that has come to God and been cured by His blood. Everyone has freewill...God granted that and its up to each of us to take it or leave it.

But the word you use, "Cured" insinuates that homosexuality is a disease, a sickness which through a little prayer can be cured. Cancer is also a disease or a sickness but apparently cannot be cured by a little prayer. In my opinion, if you hate someones lifestyle, you in turn must hate them for living said lifestyle. Why doesnt God give all murderers and rapists cancer? He just lets them live and man must determine when they must die.

You're asking me why God does this and that and doesn't do this and that? Don't blame God for the evil in this world. Did you ever stop and think that just "maybe" cancer was caused by man? Who created cigarettes? Man did and it causes cancer. Environmental pollution...who created that? Man did and it can cause cancer for some.

And yes, some have been cured by the grace of God. Only God knows as man can never understand why God does what He does.

And as far as a Zealot...please learn the meaning before calling someone like me a zealot. God has done things for me and maybe sometime, I will explain them.

If I cant blame God for the evil then why should I give him credit for the good? Also, The world's oldest documented case of cancer hails from ancient Egypt, in 1500 b.c. I'm an uneducated heathen but I do believe B.C. stands for Before Christ. The details were recorded on a papyrus, documenting 8 cases of tumors occurring on the breast. Cancer has been around for awhile. Please, explain what he has done for you and how you know he did it.

BBG - If you have something meaningful to contribute, please do. Otherwise, please let us hold a civil and adult discussion on the issue.

Thanks

Meaningful? On this sight? Ha!! Is this guy part of the Good Ol' Boy club that are untouchable? Why do you all hate gays and think gayness is something that can just be prayed away? It makes no sense to me. You are telling me that children die everyday, wars are started, people starve to death, horrible, awful things happen yet this guy prayed to God to never want to crave another mans jelly roll and BAM!!! he's straight? Does God really hate gays so much that he is willing to bypass the prayers of a Mother whose son is dying of cancer, just to answer a "I'm tirerd of being gay" prayer? Why? Also, I'm not bashing God, in fact, I kinda like to believe their is one. I just think some of you zealots take it a little to far. Nothing "meaninful" in this post but there is a question. No rules broken.

Thanks.

God cures sin, man does not. All of us have a clock and only He knows when, how, and why we will die. He has His reasons that sometimes we will never know why. Each of us has a purpose in this life and how we live it, determines a lot of things. And God and none of us hate gays. I have two lesbian friends that I know well and are on my Facebook page. They know where I stand on the issue of gay and lesbian...and they know that I do not hate them...only their gay/lesbian lifestyle and that I am a Christian, but they respect that. Xgay Greg is not the only one in this world that has come to God and been cured by His blood. Everyone has freewill...God granted that and its up to each of us to take it or leave it.

But the word you use, "Cured" insinuates that homosexuality is a disease, a sickness which through a little prayer can be cured. Cancer is also a disease or a sickness but apparently cannot be cured by a little prayer. In my opinion, if you hate someones lifestyle, you in turn must hate them for living said lifestyle. Why doesnt God give all murderers and rapists cancer? He just lets them live and man must determine when they must die.

You're asking me why God does this and that and doesn't do this and that? Don't blame God for the evil in this world. Did you ever stop and think that just "maybe" cancer was caused by man? Who created cigarettes? Man did and it causes cancer. Environmental pollution...who created that? Man did and it can cause cancer for some.

And yes, some have been cured by the grace of God. Only God knows as man can never understand why God does what He does.

And as far as a Zealot...please learn the meaning before calling someone like me a zealot. God has done things for me and maybe sometime, I will explain them.

If I cant blame God for the evil then why should I give him credit for the good? Also, The world's oldest documented case of cancer hails from ancient Egypt, in 1500 b.c. I'm an uneducated heathen but I do believe B.C. stands for Before Christ. The details were recorded on a papyrus, documenting 8 cases of tumors occurring on the breast. Cancer has been around for awhile. Please, explain what he has done for you and how you know he did it.

You're a parent. If one of your children were to shoplift, is it their fault as they know right from wrong; or is it your fault? You teach your children right from wrong, but it becomes their choice to do the right thing or the wrong thing. For the sake of argument, let's say one of your when all grown up robs a bank. Do you from that point on disown him or do you continue to love him?

God has given us free will, but He has also given to us in the Bible right and wrong. When we do the wrong thing, He still loves us.

 

[ShoeDiva]

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If I cant blame God for the evil then why should I give him credit for the good? Also, The world's oldest documented case of cancer hails from ancient Egypt, in 1500 b.c. I'm an uneducated heathen but I do believe B.C. stands for Before Christ. The details were recorded on a papyrus, documenting 8 cases of tumors occurring on the breast. Cancer has been around for awhile. Please, explain what he has done for you and how you know he did it.
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You're a parent. If one of your children were to shoplift, is it their fault as they know right from wrong; or is it your fault? You teach your children right from wrong, but it becomes their choice to do the right thing or the wrong thing. For the sake of argument, let's say one of your when all grown up robs a bank. Do you from that point on disown him or do you continue to love him?

God has given us free will, but He has also given to us in the Bible right and wrong. When we do the wrong thing, He still loves us.
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I do not believe you can use shoplifting or robbery as a direct correlation for what BBG was stating. (or the point he was trying to make regarding diseases)

 

[Genevieve]

I said wow, because of how you asked, not that you asked. (The sentence starting with "Okay") You can ask!! It just seemed condescending how it was presented.

You saying it is God's stance is where I am unsure. He has already spoken. (I went to parochial school people do not post all the scripture, I know where it is. ) I believe if you asked 10 people of 10 different religions they will give you 10 different interpretations of the same passage.

I know many gay people that are very religious, how do we explain that? They are able to recite verse, give great Christian advice, but totally believe that they were born gay and that it was God that created them that way. Are they wrong? I do not know.

Have a good day at work. Stay safe.

God really has spoken, and those strong words--you know where they are--have already been definitively interpreted by the Church. His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. We cannot second-guess God, believing our thoughts might possibly be higher than His. That is folly. )

We have a beautiful teaching about this, and I don't want to insult you by quoting the Catechism--but, to summarize for the sake of others--homosexual acts are gravely depraved, seriously disordered. These acts can in no wise be condoned, and persons inclined such acts are called to chastity. Yet, as human beings made in the image and likeness of God, they are to be treated with the greatest respect and sensitivity. And I will quote the following sentence because it is very beautiful.

"By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection."

That sentence applies to each and every one of us. To approach Christian perfection is my passion--both for myself and all my fellow human beings!

 

[Genevieve]

Here's a website with scads of viable research supporting a traditional Christian understanding of same-sex attraction. It just doesn't get covered in the mainstream media.

http://narth.com/

 

[Genevieve]

...So I believe the better question is, what will we allow God to do? Not, what can He do...

That is a good question because He is perfect in power. It is silly to ask what He can do when we already know the answer: "He can do whatever He wills to do."

 

[MamaHog]

I think it is hilarious that throughout this thread homosexuality has been equated to a disease and now a criminal act.

 

[Cheezy]

I read to the bottom of page three. BBG- you are my new hero. Really, my hero.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I read to the bottom of page three. BBG- you are my new hero. Really, my hero.

Read the rest, really.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I said wow, because of how you asked, not that you asked. (The sentence starting with "Okay") You can ask!! It just seemed condescending how it was presented.

You saying it is God's stance is where I am unsure. He has already spoken. (I went to parochial school people do not post all the scripture, I know where it is. ) I believe if you asked 10 people of 10 different religions they will give you 10 different interpretations of the same passage.

I know many gay people that are very religious, how do we explain that? They are able to recite verse, give great Christian advice, but totally believe that they were born gay and that it was God that created them that way. Are they wrong? I do not know.

Have a good day at work. Stay safe.

God really has spoken, and those strong words--you know where they are--have already been definitively interpreted by the Church. His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. We cannot second-guess God, believing our thoughts might possibly be higher than His. That is folly. )

We have a beautiful teaching about this, and I don't want to insult you by quoting the Catechism--but, to summarize for the sake of others--homosexual acts are gravely depraved, seriously disordered. These acts can in no wise be condoned, and persons inclined such acts are called to chastity. Yet, as human beings made in the image and likeness of God, they are to be treated with the greatest respect and sensitivity. And I will quote the following sentence because it is very beautiful.

"By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection."

That sentence applies to each and every one of us. To approach Christian perfection is my passion--both for myself and all my fellow human beings!

God has spoken, but I ask if our interpretations are correct. I know what I am told, taught, and have read in the Catholic church, but I have also been told that those are not right. (not saying I agree with that...) With so many interpretations of the same thing how are we to know our version is the correct version?
Across the board I see certain things the same. Murder, theft, etc. but other things, not so much. It all depends on who is teaching. :dunno
I try to keep an open mind to differences, science, and opinions.

 

[Genevieve]

God has spoken, but I ask if our interpretations are correct. I know what I am told, taught, and have read in the Catholic church, but I have also been told that those are not right. (not saying I agree with that...) With so many interpretations of the same thing how are we to know our version is the correct version?
Across the board I see certain things the same. Murder, theft, etc. but other things, not so much. It all depends on who is teaching. :dunno
I try to keep an open mind to differences, science, and opinions.

It does depend on who is teaching. As for me, I place my bets on the Magisterium--for all the reasons that I am a Catholic. ) ) The science supports it--look at the NARTH website.

 

[Genevieve]

Sorry. Double post.

 

[LisaC]

I think it is hilarious that throughout this thread homosexuality has been equated to a disease and now a criminal act.

I've equated it to genes. :dunno

 

[Genevieve]

I think it is hilarious that throughout this thread homosexuality has been equated to a disease and now a criminal act.

I've equated it to genes. :dunno

No research has ever proven that... Could I offer to recommend equating it to a cross to bear?

 

[Guard Dad]

I think it is hilarious that throughout this thread homosexuality has been equated to a disease and now a criminal act.

Read it again, most of us are not saying any such thing.

Perhaps some of you are just assuming that all Christians take an extreme view of homosexuality.


Me...I do believe it's a sinful act, as is many other things we do. But I love the individuals as Christ commands us to do.

I am not a fan of the "Pray Away The Gay" movement because I feel it's not terribly effective and in reality it probably makes the church look silly and mean. But I do believe that God can change hearts. But as Fox said, in the end we all have free will.