Can the Gay lifestyle be washed away by our Lord, Jesus?

[BeatBoxinGranny47]

BBG - If you have something meaningful to contribute, please do. Otherwise, please let us hold a civil and adult discussion on the issue.

Thanks

Meaningful? On this sight? Ha!! Is this guy part of the Good Ol' Boy club that are untouchable? Why do you all hate gays and think gayness is something that can just be prayed away? It makes no sense to me. You are telling me that children die everyday, wars are started, people starve to death, horrible, awful things happen yet this guy prayed to God to never want to crave another mans jelly roll and BAM!!! he's straight? Does God really hate gays so much that he is willing to bypass the prayers of a Mother whose son is dying of cancer, just to answer a "I'm tirerd of being gay" prayer? Why? Also, I'm not bashing God, in fact, I kinda like to believe their is one. I just think some of you zealots take it a little to far. Nothing "meaninful" in this post but there is a question. No rules broken.

Thanks.

God cures sin, man does not. All of us have a clock and only He knows when, how, and why we will die. He has His reasons that sometimes we will never know why. Each of us has a purpose in this life and how we live it, determines a lot of things. And God and none of us hate gays. I have two lesbian friends that I know well and are on my Facebook page. They know where I stand on the issue of gay and lesbian...and they know that I do not hate them...only their gay/lesbian lifestyle and that I am a Christian, but they respect that. Xgay Greg is not the only one in this world that has come to God and been cured by His blood. Everyone has freewill...God granted that and its up to each of us to take it or leave it.

But the word you use, "Cured" insinuates that homosexuality is a disease, a sickness which through a little prayer can be cured. Cancer is also a disease or a sickness but apparently cannot be cured by a little prayer. In my opinion, if you hate someones lifestyle, you in turn must hate them for living said lifestyle. Why doesnt God give all murderers and rapists cancer? He just lets them live and man must determine when they must die.

You're asking me why God does this and that and doesn't do this and that? Don't blame God for the evil in this world. Did you ever stop and think that just "maybe" cancer was caused by man? Who created cigarettes? Man did and it causes cancer. Environmental pollution...who created that? Man did and it can cause cancer for some.

And yes, some have been cured by the grace of God. Only God knows as man can never understand why God does what He does.

And as far as a Zealot...please learn the meaning before calling someone like me a zealot. God has done things for me and maybe sometime, I will explain them.

If I cant blame God for the evil then why should I give him credit for the good? Also, The world's oldest documented case of cancer hails from ancient Egypt, in 1500 b.c. I'm an uneducated heathen but I do believe B.C. stands for Before Christ. The details were recorded on a papyrus, documenting 8 cases of tumors occurring on the breast. Cancer has been around for awhile. Please, explain what he has done for you and how you know he did it.

 

[BeatBoxinGranny47]

JMO, but I do not think the second time around on this was as good as the first. :dunno

I would make it better but I am trying not to get booted by the "Hiddens" for questioning the "Untouchables".

 

[PCGOPExaminer]

JMO, but I do not think the second time around on this was as good as the first. :dunno

I only see one person...beatboxingranny who won't listen to reason. I remember seeing his post before elsewhere about his wife and cancer and I am so sorry he continues to hurt. But blaming it on God won't change anything. Nearly most of my family are gone as well as my parents. I have my sisters, two uncles, one aunt, and cousins, nephews and nieces and that is all. I miss them everyday all of them that have passed but I had to move on and believe me, I wish they were here now as I could use their advice and all.

But I spoke and some will listen, others won't.

 

[PCGOPExaminer]

BBG - If you have something meaningful to contribute, please do. Otherwise, please let us hold a civil and adult discussion on the issue.

Thanks

Meaningful? On this sight? Ha!! Is this guy part of the Good Ol' Boy club that are untouchable? Why do you all hate gays and think gayness is something that can just be prayed away? It makes no sense to me. You are telling me that children die everyday, wars are started, people starve to death, horrible, awful things happen yet this guy prayed to God to never want to crave another mans jelly roll and BAM!!! he's straight? Does God really hate gays so much that he is willing to bypass the prayers of a Mother whose son is dying of cancer, just to answer a "I'm tirerd of being gay" prayer? Why? Also, I'm not bashing God, in fact, I kinda like to believe their is one. I just think some of you zealots take it a little to far. Nothing "meaninful" in this post but there is a question. No rules broken.

Thanks.

God cures sin, man does not. All of us have a clock and only He knows when, how, and why we will die. He has His reasons that sometimes we will never know why. Each of us has a purpose in this life and how we live it, determines a lot of things. And God and none of us hate gays. I have two lesbian friends that I know well and are on my Facebook page. They know where I stand on the issue of gay and lesbian...and they know that I do not hate them...only their gay/lesbian lifestyle and that I am a Christian, but they respect that. Xgay Greg is not the only one in this world that has come to God and been cured by His blood. Everyone has freewill...God granted that and its up to each of us to take it or leave it.

But the word you use, "Cured" insinuates that homosexuality is a disease, a sickness which through a little prayer can be cured. Cancer is also a disease or a sickness but apparently cannot be cured by a little prayer. In my opinion, if you hate someones lifestyle, you in turn must hate them for living said lifestyle. Why doesnt God give all murderers and rapists cancer? He just lets them live and man must determine when they must die.

You're asking me why God does this and that and doesn't do this and that? Don't blame God for the evil in this world. Did you ever stop and think that just "maybe" cancer was caused by man? Who created cigarettes? Man did and it causes cancer. Environmental pollution...who created that? Man did and it can cause cancer for some.

And yes, some have been cured by the grace of God. Only God knows as man can never understand why God does what He does.

And as far as a Zealot...please learn the meaning before calling someone like me a zealot. God has done things for me and maybe sometime, I will explain them.

If I cant blame God for the evil then why should I give him credit for the good? Also, The world's oldest documented case of cancer hails from ancient Egypt, in 1500 b.c. I'm an uneducated heathen but I do believe B.C. stands for Before Christ. The details were recorded on a papyrus, documenting 8 cases of tumors occurring on the breast. Cancer has been around for awhile. Please, explain what he has done for you and how you know he did it.

What, did you leave out Satan? Are you aware that diabetes, which is what I have, was rare before the 20th Century? No one knows the origins of this and that but I bet cancer of various forms were not all that prevalent back then.

I don't have the time tonight to witness but I will this week of what God has shown and done for me. Night and God Bless.

 

[PCGOPExaminer]

JMO, but I do not think the second time around on this was as good as the first. :dunno

I would make it better but I am trying not to get booted by the "Hiddens" for questioning the "Untouchables".

I don't consider myself an untouchable and I can stand, at age 46, on my own and argue with the best of them.

 

[ShoeDiva]

JMO, but I do not think the second time around on this was as good as the first. :dunno

I only see one person...beatboxingranny who won't listen to reason. I remember seeing his post before elsewhere about his wife and cancer and I am so sorry he continues to hurt. But blaming it on God won't change anything. Nearly most of my family are gone as well as my parents. I have my sisters, two uncles, one aunt, and cousins, nephews and nieces and that is all. I miss them everyday all of them that have passed but I had to move on and believe me, I wish they were here now as I could use their advice and all.

But I spoke and some will listen, others won't.

Excuse me but saying he won't listen to reason is ridiculous. Your belief is yours and just because someone does not believe it or questions it does not make that person unreasonable.

 

[BeatBoxinGranny47]

JMO, but I do not think the second time around on this was as good as the first. :dunno

I only see one person...beatboxingranny who won't listen to reason. I remember seeing his post before elsewhere about his wife and cancer and I am so sorry he continues to hurt. But blaming it on God won't change anything. Nearly most of my family are gone as well as my parents. I have my sisters, two uncles, one aunt, and cousins, nephews and nieces and that is all. I miss them everyday all of them that have passed but I had to move on and believe me, I wish they were here now as I could use their advice and all.

But I spoke and some will listen, others won't.

My wife and cancer? My hurting? What the hell are you talking about? I can reason with you but you have not come back with any valid answers to my questions. If you can answer my questions and I cant argue because you show me proof or I agree with you, I will let you know that I agree. I am not afraid to say that I am wrong. I have done it a few times on this very site.

 

[Gleemp]

I like cake.. stirthepot2

 

[ShoeDiva]

I like cake.. stirthepot2

:spitchick

 

[BeatBoxinGranny47]

I like cake.. stirthepot2

I like turtles......gay terrorist.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I like cake.. stirthepot2

I like turtles......gay terrorist.

Freak.

 

[BeatBoxinGranny47]

I like cake.. stirthepot2

I like turtles......gay terrorist.

Freak.

You sound like my wife, whom by the way does not have cancer and never has to our knowledge.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I like cake.. stirthepot2

I like turtles......gay terrorist.

Freak.

You sound like my wife, whom by the way does not have cancer and never has to our knowledge.

) and I know that.

 

[Grey Colson]

You know, the best part about topics like this is that we WILL know the answer to all these questions one day. I've told this before, but I think it fits well here...

Similar to some of the comments here, little Billy had a sixth grade teacher who found great joy in disparaging his Christian beliefs. I mean, she didn't put down the kids who had no belief at all, or those who still talked about a real Santa Claus, so there was obviously some guilt attached to her constant snide comments.

One afternoon the class was being taught about disasters throughout history. Billy mentioned Noah and the Ark. His teacher, as usual, told him the universal flood mentioned in the Bible was a myth and never happened.

Thinking along the lines I mentioned about not knowing all the answers, Billy told his teacher that he would just have to ask Noah about it when he got to Heaven.

His teacher cocked her head with a smile....she had him now....She said, "What if Noah isn't in Heaven?"

Billy smiled back and said, "Then you ask him." ;D

But the question was asked, so I'll give an answer to the best of my belief. My answer is "YES", if the individual allows God to change him/her. I am in no way, form or fashion, perfect. Without Jesus, I'm just a big ZERO with the ring knocked off. I stumble every day and have habits that should be dumped at the Cross, but because of my failings, I haven't done so.

I'm still Saved, sure and secure as the day it happened. But yet I will be judged for the things I have done and even for things I did not do. How much a person allows themselves to be led by Christ is a direct result of what they are on a day to day basis.

So I believe the better question is, what will we allow God to do? Not, what can He do.

I Thank Thee ;D

 

[ShoeDiva]

Yes we will all know in the end, but I wish that some of the fantastic comments of the last time were again posted. As I said the last time, why would anyone choose to be hated, deemed less, a sinner? I know not one gay person that would. Do I believe some do choose, for whatever reason, a gay lifestyle over a heterosexual one, yes, but the majority of gay men and women I know have always been that way.

What about the science that is now showing their brains are different? If it eventually shows positively that they where born that way, does your stance change?

We all sin, if a sin, their sin is no worse than mine, yet we have pages and pages of conversation on how they made this choice and it can be changed. You (general) make the choice and sin and we do not do that to you, so I do believe that many sit in judgement of the gay lifestyle.

Glass houses and all.

 

[Grey Colson]

Yes we will all know in the end, but I wish that some of the fantastic comments of the last time were again posted. As I said the last time, why would anyone choose to be hated, deemed less, a sinner? I know not one gay person that would. Do I believe some do choose, for whatever reason, a gay lifestyle over a heterosexual one, yes, but the majority of gay men and women I know have always been that way.

What about the science that is now showing their brains are different? If it eventually shows positively that they where born that way, does your stance change?

We all sin, if a sin, their sin is no worse than mine, yet we have pages and pages of conversation on how they made this choice and it can be changed. You (general) make the choice and sin and we do not do that to you, so I do believe that many sit in judgement of the gay lifestyle.

Glass houses and all.

Of course we all sin and that's what I was talking about. I don't believe there is a "degree" of sin either and any of those "sins" we commit on a regular basis could be managed if we allow God to have control. I'm one of those sinners myself.

I don't think we should lump all Christians together by suggesting that they are sitting in judgment just because the subject is discussed. The subject of homosexuality being sinful is not something dreamed up by a couple of Georgia Bible thumpers....it's addressed directly in God's Word. HE is the only judge, just as he is the judge of those who steal or lie or cheat or use His name in vain or lust after their neighbor's wife.

Just as people become frustrated about the subject being discussed, there is an equal number who become frustrated when they constantly have people insist that they endorse the lifestyle.

This subject will probably be discussed by countless thousands in the future. I doubt a reasonable discussion on this little board will make much difference in the big picture.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Yes we will all know in the end, but I wish that some of the fantastic comments of the last time were again posted. As I said the last time, why would anyone choose to be hated, deemed less, a sinner? I know not one gay person that would. Do I believe some do choose, for whatever reason, a gay lifestyle over a heterosexual one, yes, but the majority of gay men and women I know have always been that way.

What about the science that is now showing their brains are different? If it eventually shows positively that they where born that way, does your stance change?

We all sin, if a sin, their sin is no worse than mine, yet we have pages and pages of conversation on how they made this choice and it can be changed. You (general) make the choice and sin and we do not do that to you, so I do believe that many sit in judgement of the gay lifestyle.

Glass houses and all.

Of course we all sin and that's what I was talking about. I don't believe there is a "degree" of sin either and any of those "sins" we commit on a regular basis could be managed if we allow God to have control. I'm one of those sinners myself.

I don't think we should lump all Christians together by suggesting that they are sitting in judgment just because the subject is discussed. The subject of homosexuality being sinful is not something dreamed up by a couple of Georgia Bible thumpers....it's addressed directly in God's Word. HE is the only judge, just as he is the judge of those who steal or lie or cheat or use His name in vain or lust after their neighbor's wife.

Just as people become frustrated about the subject being discussed, there is an equal number who become frustrated when they constantly have people insist that they endorse the lifestyle.

This subject will probably be discussed by countless thousands in the future. I doubt a reasonable discussion on this little board will make much difference in the big picture.

And my question?

(BTW I was not lumping Christians, I am a Christian)

 

[Grey Colson]

Yes we will all know in the end, but I wish that some of the fantastic comments of the last time were again posted. As I said the last time, why would anyone choose to be hated, deemed less, a sinner? I know not one gay person that would. Do I believe some do choose, for whatever reason, a gay lifestyle over a heterosexual one, yes, but the majority of gay men and women I know have always been that way.

What about the science that is now showing their brains are different? If it eventually shows positively that they where born that way, does your stance change?

We all sin, if a sin, their sin is no worse than mine, yet we have pages and pages of conversation on how they made this choice and it can be changed. You (general) make the choice and sin and we do not do that to you, so I do believe that many sit in judgement of the gay lifestyle.

Glass houses and all.

Of course we all sin and that's what I was talking about. I don't believe there is a "degree" of sin either and any of those "sins" we commit on a regular basis could be managed if we allow God to have control. I'm one of those sinners myself.

I don't think we should lump all Christians together by suggesting that they are sitting in judgment just because the subject is discussed. The subject of homosexuality being sinful is not something dreamed up by a couple of Georgia Bible thumpers....it's addressed directly in God's Word. HE is the only judge, just as he is the judge of those who steal or lie or cheat or use His name in vain or lust after their neighbor's wife.

Just as people become frustrated about the subject being discussed, there is an equal number who become frustrated when they constantly have people insist that they endorse the lifestyle.

This subject will probably be discussed by countless thousands in the future. I doubt a reasonable discussion on this little board will make much difference in the big picture.

And my question?

(BTW I was not lumping Christians, I am a Christian)

Okay, where is this study? Is it from the same science that proclaims everything exploded into existence from nothing?

Just as there are scientists on both sides of the Creation vs. Evolution fence, I don't doubt a little research can reveal an opposing view of this subject as well.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Yes we will all know in the end, but I wish that some of the fantastic comments of the last time were again posted. As I said the last time, why would anyone choose to be hated, deemed less, a sinner? I know not one gay person that would. Do I believe some do choose, for whatever reason, a gay lifestyle over a heterosexual one, yes, but the majority of gay men and women I know have always been that way.

What about the science that is now showing their brains are different? If it eventually shows positively that they where born that way, does your stance change?

We all sin, if a sin, their sin is no worse than mine, yet we have pages and pages of conversation on how they made this choice and it can be changed. You (general) make the choice and sin and we do not do that to you, so I do believe that many sit in judgement of the gay lifestyle.

Glass houses and all.

Of course we all sin and that's what I was talking about. I don't believe there is a "degree" of sin either and any of those "sins" we commit on a regular basis could be managed if we allow God to have control. I'm one of those sinners myself.

I don't think we should lump all Christians together by suggesting that they are sitting in judgment just because the subject is discussed. The subject of homosexuality being sinful is not something dreamed up by a couple of Georgia Bible thumpers....it's addressed directly in God's Word. HE is the only judge, just as he is the judge of those who steal or lie or cheat or use His name in vain or lust after their neighbor's wife.

Just as people become frustrated about the subject being discussed, there is an equal number who become frustrated when they constantly have people insist that they endorse the lifestyle.

This subject will probably be discussed by countless thousands in the future. I doubt a reasonable discussion on this little board will make much difference in the big picture.

And my question?

(BTW I was not lumping Christians, I am a Christian)

Okay, where is this study? Is it from the same science that proclaims everything exploded into existence from nothing?

Just as there are scientists on both sides of the Creation vs. Evolution fence, I don't doubt a little research can reveal an opposing view of this subject as well.

Wow. :shakinghead:

I can look for the study later, but I asked IF the study shows conclusively would it change your stance?


Seriously this topic did not go as well as the last time. :dunno

 

[Grey Colson]

Yes we will all know in the end, but I wish that some of the fantastic comments of the last time were again posted. As I said the last time, why would anyone choose to be hated, deemed less, a sinner? I know not one gay person that would. Do I believe some do choose, for whatever reason, a gay lifestyle over a heterosexual one, yes, but the majority of gay men and women I know have always been that way.

What about the science that is now showing their brains are different? If it eventually shows positively that they where born that way, does your stance change?

We all sin, if a sin, their sin is no worse than mine, yet we have pages and pages of conversation on how they made this choice and it can be changed. You (general) make the choice and sin and we do not do that to you, so I do believe that many sit in judgement of the gay lifestyle.

Glass houses and all.

Of course we all sin and that's what I was talking about. I don't believe there is a "degree" of sin either and any of those "sins" we commit on a regular basis could be managed if we allow God to have control. I'm one of those sinners myself.

I don't think we should lump all Christians together by suggesting that they are sitting in judgment just because the subject is discussed. The subject of homosexuality being sinful is not something dreamed up by a couple of Georgia Bible thumpers....it's addressed directly in God's Word. HE is the only judge, just as he is the judge of those who steal or lie or cheat or use His name in vain or lust after their neighbor's wife.

Just as people become frustrated about the subject being discussed, there is an equal number who become frustrated when they constantly have people insist that they endorse the lifestyle.

This subject will probably be discussed by countless thousands in the future. I doubt a reasonable discussion on this little board will make much difference in the big picture.

And my question?

(BTW I was not lumping Christians, I am a Christian)

Okay, where is this study? Is it from the same science that proclaims everything exploded into existence from nothing?

Just as there are scientists on both sides of the Creation vs. Evolution fence, I don't doubt a little research can reveal an opposing view of this subject as well.

Wow. :shakinghead:

I can look for the study later, but I asked IF the study shows conclusively would it change your stance?


Seriously this topic did not go as well as the last time. :dunno

Sorry...I don't understand the "Wow" part.

I suppose I shouldn't have asked, even though it was a reasonable request. Sorry.

Seriously, my stance doesn't even matter. It's God's stance that anyone should be interested in and, unless His Word is flawed, He's already spoken to the issue.

Gotta go for now...it's getting busy here now that all the 8 to 5vers have decided to drag into work. :whistle