Can Social Acceptance Encourage Immorality?

I submit to you guys that what we're seeing in today's hyper-politically-correct (did I punctuate that correctly?) environment is the MINORITIES bringing about changes in the laws. Then the media and government-ran schools run with them and begin to reprogram the moral standards of people.

It will likely be up to the MAJORITY to reverse this trend through the ballot box, if not too late.

And that is part of the sentiment behind the support for Trump, it not somewhat misplaced.
 
Guard Dad said:
I submit to you guys that what we're seeing in today's hyper-politically-correct (did I punctuate that correctly?) environment is the MINORITIES bringing about changes in the laws. Then the media and government-ran schools run with them and begin to reprogram the moral standards of people.

It will likely be up to the MAJORITY to reverse this trend through the ballot box, if not too late.

And that is part of the sentiment behind the support for Trump, it not somewhat misplaced.
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I get what you're saying and agree to a point. However, what if the changes brought about by the minority are more inline with our constitution than the prior laws? Should they be reversed? Shouldn't the constitution reign supreme over what some consider to be moral?
 
cptlo306 said:
I get what you're saying and agree to a point. However, what if the changes brought about by the minority are more inline with our constitution than the prior laws? Should they be reversed? Shouldn't the constitution reign supreme over what some consider to be moral?
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As a general rule, yes.

But do you not find it strange that it took over 200 years to discover these moral deficiencies?
 
I would also point out that Supreme Court decisions don't always reflect constitutional correctness.

And some of these issues such as the transgender bathroom thing have not yet become constitutional issues.
 
cptlo306 said:
Agreed (see Obamacare) but that's our system of government. It's the best system in the world but it's not perfect.
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Agreed. I just wanted to point out that a SCOTUS decision does not necessarily equate to a change that is in-line with the Constitution.

The SSM ruling is another bad decision. Regardless of which side of the issue you're on; marriage is not covered in the Constitution.

Scalia was right about it. He made a statement awhile back before the ruling that if congress wanted to legalize SSM, they needed to pass a law because the Constitution leaves it to the states.
 
According to this poll the majority of Americans support same-sex marriage. I have found the same to be true about the people I personally know.
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/07/29/graphics-slideshow-changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

It took a while for people to get over the fact that blacks and whites could marry each other. I expect it to take a while before some people can get over the fact that gay people are now allowed to marry. Thank God we dont live in a theocracy and my gay friends and family members now live in a country where they don't feel like second-class citizens. I also suspect kids who are gay will grow up feeling more accepted and maybe less likely to commit suicide. It's a win-win-win in my opinion.
 
jenilyn said:
According to this poll the majority of Americans support same-sex marriage. I have found the same to be true about the people I personally know.
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/07/29/graphics-slideshow-changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

It took a while for people to get over the fact that blacks and whites could marry each other. I expect it to take a while before some people can get over the fact that gay people are now allowed to marry. Thank God we dont live in a theocracy and my gay friends and family members now live in a country where they don't feel like second-class citizens. I also suspect kids who are gay will grow up feeling more accepted and maybe less likely to commit suicide. It's a win-win-win in my opinion.
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And according to many more polls, the citizens of this country do not want Obamacare, but we see how that's working out for us, don't we. If we governed by polls, many of these very controversial issues would have never seen the light of day.

And even God does not expect that we live in a theocracy or He would not have stated to render unto Ceaser that which is Ceaser's, but I will stop short of linking the the same sex marriage law to God's credit. I fear His Holiness too much to attribute a law to him that promotes an act that he is clearly opposed to.
 
I'm so glad SSM is here. Now gays don't have to feel like second class citizens. Now this country needs to work on the minority class of folks who want to marry their mother, father, sibling, etc. They shouldn't be made to feel like an outcast simply because they want to lay down and make love with their sister/brother. After that, multiple wives/husbands shouldn't be shunned and then lets tackle the elephant in the room when it comes to bestiality. Everyone should feel free to marry whatever they want and have a separate bathroom facility for each kind as well.
 
Blazing Saddles said:
I'm so glad SSM is here. Now gays don't have to feel like second class citizens. Now this country needs to work on the minority class of folks who want to marry their mother, father, sibling, etc. They shouldn't be made to feel like an outcast simply because they want to lay down and make love with their sister/brother. After that, multiple wives/husbands shouldn't be shunned and then lets tackle the elephant in the room when it comes to bestiality. Everyone should feel free to marry whatever they want and have a separate bathroom facility for each kind as well.
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I'm not suprised by your response. And I'll just leave it at that.
 
People forget that despising sin is a good thing. Sin is destructive. We've all experienced it and not just one time. It leads to decay and it leads to nothing but trouble. There's no arguing that point so why do people defend the practice of sin and other destructive behaviors? It's funny how they don't parent that way when you ask them but they're all PC when it comes to a public stance. It is LOVE that says no and not DO WHAT YOU WANT.

You can love the person but not advocate their sin. Allowing them to sin isn't a show of love.
 
jenilyn said:
According to this poll the majority of Americans support same-sex marriage. I have found the same to be true about the people I personally know.
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/07/29/graphics-slideshow-changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

It took a while for people to get over the fact that blacks and whites could marry each other. I expect it to take a while before some people can get over the fact that gay people are now allowed to marry. Thank God we dont live in a theocracy and my gay friends and family members now live in a country where they don't feel like second-class citizens. I also suspect kids who are gay will grow up feeling more accepted and maybe less likely to commit suicide. It's a win-win-win in my opinion.
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I'm guessing that your opinion will fall on deaf ears on judgement day.
 
jenilyn said:
According to this poll the majority of Americans support same-sex marriage. I have found the same to be true about the people I personally know.
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/07/29/graphics-slideshow-changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

It took a while for people to get over the fact that blacks and whites could marry each other. I expect it to take a while before some people can get over the fact that gay people are now allowed to marry. Thank God we dont live in a theocracy and my gay friends and family members now live in a country where they don't feel like second-class citizens. I also suspect kids who are gay will grow up feeling more accepted and maybe less likely to commit suicide. It's a win-win-win in my opinion.
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Some other polls still show a slight majority against it. How the question is asked can greatly affect the answer.

But yes, I agree that public opinion is changing. The media and the educational system have been "socially engineering" us for decades. Some of it has been good (EX: pro racial equality messages) and some not so good.

Regarding homosexuality...I've hopefully been clear that they should be loved and treated with respect the same as any of us should. But doing so doesn't necessarily mean we much support same-sex marriage. I simply believe that the institution of marriage is between man and wife. I accept that it is now law, but I don't personally support it.
 
This thread is a prime example of why I usually avoid any online conversation related to religion. In my opinion, they are largely pointless because nobody is going to change their minds based on anything posted.

I need to go start some Trump bashing threads or something. :)
 
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