Covid is right here, and it's getting bad fast.

I don't think there's any doubt that the COVID infection rates are but a tiny fraction of what they were. Doing the math, it would appear that between the vaccines and natural immunity, we are at some level of herd immunity, which means most of the most of the population are at low risk of getting it or getting it again.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I think we're close to being out of the woods IF a vaccine/natural immunity resistant strain doesn't pop up. And now it appears that one might have, but good news is (at least so far) that this variant appears to have very mild symptoms. If this proves to be true, I agree with the article I posted earlier that this variant could actually be a good thing by giving more people immunity without making them so sick or putting their lives at risk. But, we need a little more time to know all this for sure. And I would assume that there's still no guarantee that a nasty variant could still come along. But I did read that the natural evolution of viruses is to take the route or Omicron; to weaken and get milder as time goes on. There again...give the questionable origin of the WuFlu, I suppose anything is possible.

I do know people are over this crap. I'm seeing very few masks and most folks are trying to be as normal as possible. And I totally get that, we're all tired of this demon and want it gone. I just hope and pray it doesn't get ugly again; this country can't withstand another shutdown or the extreme restrictions again.
 
Guard Dad said:
I don't think there's any doubt that the COVID infection rates are but a tiny fraction of what they were. Doing the math, it would appear that between the vaccines and natural immunity, we are at some level of herd immunity, which means most of the most of the population are at low risk of getting it or getting it again.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I think we're close to being out of the woods IF a vaccine/natural immunity resistant strain doesn't pop up. And now it appears that one might have, but good news is (at least so far) that this variant appears to have very mild symptoms. If this proves to be true, I agree with the article I posted earlier that this variant could actually be a good thing by giving more people immunity without making them so sick or putting their lives at risk. But, we need a little more time to know all this for sure. And I would assume that there's still no guarantee that a nasty variant could still come along. But I did read that the natural evolution of viruses is to take the route or Omicron; to weaken and get milder as time goes on. There again...give the questionable origin of the WuFlu, I suppose anything is possible.

I do know people are over this crap. I'm seeing very few masks and most folks are trying to be as normal as possible. And I totally get that, we're all tired of this demon and want it gone. I just hope and pray it doesn't get ugly again; this country can't withstand another shutdown or the extreme restrictions again.
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The Queen and I went to the Woodstock outlets this weekend. She reminded me that we both needed to carry our mask in case some stores or restaurants required it. I tossed her mask in the car and told her I’d wait outside any store who required one. I’m all for businesses making their store policy, I just hope they’re all for me making my spending policies.
 
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J-man said:
The Queen and I went to the Woodstock outlets this weekend. She reminded me that we both needed to carry our mask in case some stores or restaurants required it. I tossed her mask in the car and told her I’d wait outside any store who required one. I’m all for businesses making their store policy, I just hope they’re all for me making my spending policies.
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The only place I've been in awhile that requires it was the eye doctor today. And that actually makes some sense.
 
I read another interesting article but sadly didn't save the link. It was done prior to Omicron, so it doesn't apply as much tp it.

It referenced a study that said for the original virus or the Delta, natural immunity was better than vaccinated, but the best of all was "hybrid immunity" which was natural immunity boosted by the vaccine. But, it also said that the hybrid immunity likely only lasted 3-4 months max, and you'd be back to the natural immunity.

Regarding the article above...I've been reading about T-cells for some time, but it seems that not many understand how they work (myself included}. But some of the scientists apparently think they are what will provide long term immunity.
 
I don't know why anyone would get another jab.

I prefer to get Omicron and be done with it at this point.

The pharmaceutical companies and politicians won't want that mindset, but I feel that no one but the elderly, like my mom, or people with underlying conditions should consider a third shot.
 
That was my thinking for over a year too. After getting it and spreading it to family members my thinking changed. Not that after getting a shot, or two, or three that I wouldn’t get it again but that if I got it again that hopefully it would again be only a mild case. There are no guarantees either way, but I finally reach the conclusion that I’m not a spring chicken anymore and I do have a few existing medical conditions and I realize I was lucky the first time around. I respect everyone’s personal choice, there is no right or wrong decision.
 
I've not made a decision on the booster yet. It's now been almost 8 months since the second shot, so I'm pretty sure most of the Vax resistance is gone, but have no idea about the natural resistance from having Covid 10 months ago.
 
The Sound Guy said:
I've not made a decision on the booster yet. It's now been almost 8 months since the second shot, so I'm pretty sure most of the Vax resistance is gone, but have no idea about the natural resistance from having Covid 10 months ago.
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Lots of disagreement on this, but everything I read says natural lasts longer. How long? We don't know yet, but evidence would seem to say a year or more. Wife and I are gonna get our antibodies checked again after Christmas.

And then there's T-cells. Been reading up on this for awhile but haven't posted a lot about it because this seems to be an area where medical science is still figuring it out. Some have been saying for a year or more that T-cells could provide a lifetime of immunity, but I'm not sure how much we know about them yet. Best I can gather from reading on them is that they provide some type of "memory" that will remember COVID for long periods of time and attack the virus if it infects the body. But that is very much a layman's explanation, so take it with a grain of salt because I'm probably wrong.

My personal opinion...I will not get the vaccine as long as my antibodies stay strong. If that changes, I'll consider changing my mind then. My wife is on the same page.

I wasn't going to post this here because some people get so defensive over the vaccine, but given who it's from, I think it should be known. The American Heart Association has now published a "concern" about the mRNA vaccines.

Abstract 10712: Observational Findings of PULS Cardiac Test Findings for Inflammatory Markers in Patients Receiving mRNA Vaccines

This clinic has been using the PULS Cardiac Test (Predictive Health Diagnostics Co., Irvine, CA) a clinically utilized measurement of multiple protein biomarkers, which generates a score predicting t
www.ahajournals.org
 
Guard Dad said:

Abstract 10712: Observational Findings of PULS Cardiac Test Findings for Inflammatory Markers in Patients Receiving mRNA Vaccines

This clinic has been using the PULS Cardiac Test (Predictive Health Diagnostics Co., Irvine, CA) a clinically utilized measurement of multiple protein biomarkers, which generates a score predicting t
www.ahajournals.org
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Yeah, I'm sure that my brother's first thought when my wife had her heart attack was "the vaccine did it!"

However, she had been under both lockdown stress and extreme stress dealing with her parents and her brother throwing out pie in the sky solutions to them for all their problems. Add the stress of dealing with the Church activities she was leading and the absolutely rotten diet we have had for the last six months (way too much each in the car fast food) and its' not surprising to me.

But either way I seriously doubt we will never know the true root cause.
 
The Sound Guy said:
Yeah, I'm sure that my brother's first thought when my wife had her heart attack was "the vaccine did it!"

However, she had been under both lockdown stress and extreme stress dealing with her parents and her brother throwing out pie in the sky solutions to them for all their problems. Add the stress of dealing with the Church activities she was leading and the absolutely rotten diet we have had for the last six months (way too much each in the car fast food) and its' not surprising to me.

But either way I seriously doubt we will never know the true root cause.
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I'm sure the vaccine gets blamed for a lot of things it probably didn't cause. A friend of mine decided it was the reason her sister got MS. I haven't heard any instances of that.

But this is at least mildly concerning.

So many things to consider, including age, health issues, etc. I actually pushed a friend of mine to get the booster, but she was already vaccinated and has health issues that could kill her if she got COVID. IMO, that is definitely a case where the benefits outweigh and possible risks.

No one right answer, IMO.
 
Guard Dad said:
I wasn't going to post this here because some people get so defensive over the vaccine, but given who it's from, I think it should be known. The American Heart Association has now published a "concern" about the mRNA vaccines.

Abstract 10712: Observational Findings of PULS Cardiac Test Findings for Inflammatory Markers in Patients Receiving mRNA Vaccines

This clinic has been using the PULS Cardiac Test (Predictive Health Diagnostics Co., Irvine, CA) a clinically utilized measurement of multiple protein biomarkers, which generates a score predicting t
www.ahajournals.org
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The article is not an official position from the AHA. It was written by one doctor and published in their journal. They have now added an 'expression of concern' to it indicating it has some errors.


What this doctor says may be true, but this article does not provide enough information to come close to proving it.
 
cptlo said:
The article is not an official position from the AHA. It was written by one doctor and published in their journal. They have now added an 'expression of concern' to it indicating it has some errors.


What this doctor says may be true, but this article does not provide enough information to come close to proving it.
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There have been many reports of the Myocardia from the vaccine, so IMO there is ample cause for at least concern. It needs to be looked into instead of whitewashed over, which is what seems to be happening. Our government is vaccine, vaccine, vaccine and nothing else should even be discussed. Not sure about you, but this is frightening to me.

It will be a few years before we really know if there are long-term effects, which is why I am of the opinion that where natural immunity is present, the potential risk of the vaccine is not warranted. And again, that's just my opinion. In many people who have not had COVID, any risks might be the lessor of evils. I've already said that if I could go back in time, I probably would have gotten the jab to avoid the hell I went through. But now I have hard-earned antibodies so I don't believe I need to get the jab. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and it's no one's fault but mine.

And now we appear (so far, anyway) to have a prominent variant that is not very dangerous. So do we really need to vaccinate against it? I don't think so, I think we need to step back and let nature have this so long as it proves out that we're not going to get sick or die. Sorry, but I trust Mother Nature far more than big pharma. They have done some amazing things, but nature has thousands of years head start on them. Unless Omicron starts killing people or making them seriously ill, let it roll so people can get natural immunity from it.

If another Delta type emerges, all this could change. But really, what can we do until/unless that happens? Big pharma can't tweak a vaccine for a variant that doesn't yet exist.

All this is nothing but my opinion, and opinions are like buttholes, they all stink. Especially J-Man's. :)
 
Guard Dad said:
I'm sure the vaccine gets blamed for a lot of things it probably didn't cause. A friend of mine decided it was the reason her sister got MS. I haven't heard any instances of that.

But this is at least mildly concerning.

So many things to consider, including age, health issues, etc. I actually pushed a friend of mine to get the booster, but she was already vaccinated and has health issues that could kill her if she got COVID. IMO, that is definitely a case where the benefits outweigh and possible risks.

No one right answer, IMO.
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The fact no one can even speak about vaccine injury is not correct. AND doctors and hospitals are not even instructed to catalog these problems. Bells of alarm should be going off in the minds of the public over this.

There is admission that if the vaccine goes into the vein, it can cause severe problems.

Many young fit athletic men 16 to 29 (who have more veins in upper arm) are having myocarditis and other problems that are long term... and yet no one is allowed to discuss or question. Specifically, why would we vaxx young men, who have little to no risk if they get covid, but are having many vaccine injuries?
 
J-man said:
That was my thinking for over a year too. After getting it and spreading it to family members my thinking changed. Not that after getting a shot, or two, or three that I wouldn’t get it again but that if I got it again that hopefully it would again be only a mild case. There are no guarantees either way, but I finally reach the conclusion that I’m not a spring chicken anymore and I do have a few existing medical conditions and I realize I was lucky the first time around. I respect everyone’s personal choice, there is no right or wrong decision.
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We agree...

Let me restate:

I don't know why anyone would get another jab.

I prefer to get Omicron and be done with it at this point.

The pharmaceutical companies and politicians won't want that mindset, but I feel that no one but the elderly, like my mom, people who are no longer spring chickens, or people with underlying conditions should consider a third shot. :grin2:
 
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