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Even Hillary got in on Ted's speech and tweeted "Vote your conscience." and a link to her page. Everyone (but GD:p ) knows he did not endorse Trump.
 
ShoeDiva said:
Even Hillary got in on Ted's speech and tweeted "Vote your conscience." and a link to her page. Everyone (but GD:p ) knows he did not endorse Trump.
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I know that. But he also didn't technically break his pledge.

I've posted here previously about the ugliness I saw from the loyal Trump supporters during the primaries. The bashing of other Republicans was terrible, and there were a lot of vicious and untrue rumors being perpetuated.

I'm seeing some of that again, especially on Facebook. How is this helping Trump? How will further division of the Republican leaning voters get Trump elected?

I think some of Trump's supporters are making a huge mistake here, and I'm pretty sure Hillary is quite enjoying it.
 
Guard Dad said:
I know that. But he also didn't technically break his pledge.

I've posted here previously about the ugliness I saw from the loyal Trump supporters during the primaries. The bashing of other Republicans was terrible, and there were a lot of vicious and untrue rumors being perpetuated.

I'm seeing some of that again, especially on Facebook. How is this helping Trump? How will further division of the Republican leaning voters get Trump elected?

I think some of Trump's supporters are making a huge mistake here, and I'm pretty sure Hillary is quite enjoying it.
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Exactly what does the pledge read that he technically did not break? "I (name) affirm that if I do not win the 2016 Republican nomination for president of the United States I will endorse the 2016 Republican presidential nominee regardless of who it is. I further pledge that I will not seek to run as an independent or write-in candidate nor will I seek or accept the nomination for president of any other party."
 
Guard Dad said:
I know that. But he also didn't technically break his pledge.

I've posted here previously about the ugliness I saw from the loyal Trump supporters during the primaries. The bashing of other Republicans was terrible, and there were a lot of vicious and untrue rumors being perpetuated.

I'm seeing some of that again, especially on Facebook. How is this helping Trump? How will further division of the Republican leaning voters get Trump elected?

I think some of Trump's supporters are making a huge mistake here, and I'm pretty sure Hillary is quite enjoying it.
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I know the pledge is not a binding contract and I know both Cruz and Trump supporters have been crazy. Both of them. I can say this though, if Trump has any chance of winning everyone needs to just get over themselves and their candidate losing or winning, and come together. The Supreme Court and gun control are driving my vote because we are not talking about a 4 year term to have to live through, but something that will impact our future generations.
 
ShoeDiva said:
Exactly what does the pledge read that he technically did not break? "I (name) affirm that if I do not win the 2016 Republican nomination for president of the United States I will endorse the 2016 Republican presidential nominee regardless of who it is. I further pledge that I will not seek to run as an independent or write-in candidate nor will I seek or accept the nomination for president of any other party."
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Well, I was thinking about the part where they pledged not to run as an independent.

There seems to be some confusion over whether Cruz actually signed the pledge.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m.../did-ted-cruz-pledge-back-republican-nominee/

Anyway, I don't see Cruz's speech, in itself, hurting Trump. I do see the ugliness that's resurfacing from some of Trump's supporters potentially hurting him.
 
Sounds like a typical excuse we're used to hearing from Democrats. He either pledged or he didn't, she either lied about the emails or she didn't.
 
What boggles my mind is that there are actually people out there who will secretly rejoice if Hillary is elected, the nation be damned, just so they can have an, "I told you so" moment. Did not the majority of voters elect Trump as the candidate? Is it acceptable to make attempts to throw the votes away or attempt to harm the chosen candidates chances? I guess to some it is.

Go ahead, Ted. Run next time. But if Hillary is elected and continues the America that Obama has already "transformed", more than half of the population will be so entrenched in entitlements, there may never be another republican president as we know it.

I'm about sick of the whole thing. I don't apologize for being a Trump supporter from the get-go. I felt his strong personality and rejection of political correctness, although quite blatant, was the BIG correction needed to right the American ship that is floundering and almost dead in the water. I don't care if you vote, if you vote for that goober Johnson or if you vote for Hillary, I'll be going home on election night, satisfied that I did my little part. If Hillary is elected as a result of all this back-stabbing and in-fighting and Never-Trump mentality, I will probably have an, "I told you so" moment myself.

It's just a shame that you don't have another Bush to vote for. :banghead:
 
Why are some of the Trump supporters so defensive? Most of us on the political right have said we'll vote for him.

But bashing the other Republicans is not helping.

Remember Ronald Reagan's 11th Commandment.
 
Guard Dad said:
Why are some of the Trump supporters so defensive? Most of us on the political right have said we'll vote for him.

But bashing the other Republicans is not helping.

Remember Ronald Reagan's 11th Commandment.
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I believe Reagan was speaking to other politicians, not the general public. The republicans set their own trap early on, insisting on these stupid pledges that were formulated with Trump in mind. And I believe a person would have to be in a coma not to agree that Trump would have been laid to waste if he had refused to keep his word.

It's also clear that Ted was going for a Reagan 1976 moment when he lost to Ford. The only difference is that Reagan was magnanimous and endorsed to take the attention off of himself and direct it toward the good of the election.

I think Trump supporters are a little put-off for good reason. The nomination is said and done. It is not a campaign rally for other candidates. What happened last night was nothing more than me going to the podium to promote my books. If Ted wanted Hillary defeated, he could have respectfully declined to speak. If Trump had refused to invite him the convention, he'd be the bad guy. When he does invite Ted to speak, he's still the bad guy. When it comes to 11th commandment, sometimes not saying something is just as loud and clear as a scream.
 
Grey Colson said:
Did not the majority of voters elect Trump as the candidate?/QUOTE]

No, they didn't.

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Grey Colson said:
What boggles my mind is that there are actually people out there who will secretly rejoice if Hillary is elected, the nation be damned, just so they can have an, "I told you so" moment. Did not the majority of voters elect Trump as the candidate? Is it acceptable to make attempts to throw the votes away or attempt to harm the chosen candidates chances? I guess to some it is.

Go ahead, Ted. Run next time. But if Hillary is elected and continues the America that Obama has already "transformed", more than half of the population will be so entrenched in entitlements, there may never be another republican president as we know it.

I'm about sick of the whole thing. I don't apologize for being a Trump supporter from the get-go. I felt his strong personality and rejection of political correctness, although quite blatant, was the BIG correction needed to right the American ship that is floundering and almost dead in the water. I don't care if you vote, if you vote for that goober Johnson or if you vote for Hillary, I'll be going home on election night, satisfied that I did my little part. If Hillary is elected as a result of all this back-stabbing and in-fighting and Never-Trump mentality, I will probably have an, "I told you so" moment myself.

It's just a shame that you don't have another Bush to vote for. :banghead:
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What boggles my mind is the blatant disregard for the lack of core beliefs and conservative values from Trump that many so-called conservatives have wanted for a long time. Yes, I know that ship has sailed and Trump is the nominee. That doesn't mean I have to fall in line and vote for him just because he has an R beside his name. I voted for McCain and Romney and wasn't excited about it but did just to try to prevent Obama from winning. I'll no longer vote just to fall in line with the Republicans. If Trump loses, don't blame me or other NeverTrumpers, blame the man himself for having no core values other than 'Trump, Trump, Trump'.
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