Up next....lawsuit.

[ShoeDiva]

I have been an outspoken opponent of stupid zero tolerance policy in schools. But given all the factors in this case; I am finding it hard to be critical of the school or the cops.

Same here and it had nothing to do with the kid being Muslim.

I think it's s valid.statement since virtually every school shooting has been by students who were not Muslim. Remember, they're not thinking shoe bombers and 9/11...they're thinking Columbine and Sandy Hook. The Columbine killers had set a number of bombs but they didn't go off.

Checkout TX in general and that area of TX in particular, they are really anti anything to do with Muslims.
I could be wrong, but I truly believe that if this had been Billy WASP, it would have gone in a different direction.
Heck, even on here it has been posted about Muslim kids being used as bombers.

Yes, it would have. Billy Wasp wouldn't have been invited to the White House.

That is true. I do not think anyone disagrees with that.

 

[Madea]

One story I read was that his charges were NEVER about having a bomb. The POTENTIAL charges were having a "hoax bomb".

 

[stradial]

I have been an outspoken opponent of stupid zero tolerance policy in schools. But given all the factors in this case; I am finding it hard to be critical of the school or the cops.

Same here and it had nothing to do with the kid being Muslim.

I think it's s valid.statement since virtually every school shooting has been by students who were not Muslim. Remember, they're not thinking shoe bombers and 9/11...they're thinking Columbine and Sandy Hook. The Columbine killers had set a number of bombs but they didn't go off.

Checkout TX in general and that area of TX in particular, they are really anti anything to do with Muslims.
I could be wrong, but I truly believe that if this had been Billy WASP, it would have gone in a different direction.
Heck, even on here it has been posted about Muslim kids being used as bombers.

Yes, it would have. Billy Wasp wouldn't have been invited to the White House.

That was one of my original questions in my original post.
I agree 100%.

 

[ShoeDiva]

One story I read was that his charges were NEVER about having a bomb. The POTENTIAL charges were having a "hoax bomb".

I am sure the prison term is less, but being charged with hoax bomb, as in the intent to scare and alarm people, is not something to be taken lightly and it will be on your record.
The charges would come from the police, correct? So the charges would be made AFTER they figured out if it was a bomb or not, I would think.

 

[stradial]

One story I read was that his charges were NEVER about having a bomb. The POTENTIAL charges were having a "hoax bomb".

That is a little different, but still, as GD said, there was a the very least, major communication issues at that school.

My personal opinion, it would have been handled a lot differently if it was not little Mohamed.
I could be wrong.

 

[ShoeDiva]

One story I read was that his charges were NEVER about having a bomb. The POTENTIAL charges were having a "hoax bomb".

That is a little different, but still, as GD said, there was a the very least, major communication issues at that school.

My personal opinion, it would have been handled a lot differently if it was not little Mohamed.
I could be wrong.

I think even if M brought it in purposefully, that because of who M is that is why it was handled like it was. There is a lot of animosity in that area towards Muslims and from what I understand it has only been in the last 6-8 months that it has been so bad.

 

[honeybunny]

It is perfectly reasonable to be skeptical of this story :


http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=359142


:thumbsup

Is there something new in that article? I was half way through and it froze on me, but until that point everything was already some of the points made.

Seems that the Muslim community in Irving has a longstanding beef with the mayor :


http://www.ijreview.com/2015/03/279031-texas-mayor-accused-islamophobia-city-council-supports-resolution-outlawing-foreign-law/

Not sure how it's a hoax, if the teachers said that the kid showed them and told them it was a clock.
But could the dad have put the son up to it to stir up trouble, sure.
But the problem I have is how the school mishandled the situation.

Kid brings clock to school, teachers see and know it's a clock.
One even says, "Don't show that around".
Administration sees clock, gets told it's a clock.
Thinks it's a....bomb?
Evacuates the school....oh wait, they didn't.
So administrators really don't think it's a bomb, but call the cops anyway.
Cops handcuff kid for everyone's safety.

Now, let's look at that again.
Kid brings clock to school, teachers see and know it's a clock.
One even says, "Don't show that around".
And then says, "I better keep it here till after school".
End of story.

Or...
Kid brings clock to school, teachers see and know it's a clock.
One even says, "Don't show that around".
Administration sees clock, gets told it's a clock.
Administration checks with student's teachers who say he showed it to them.
End of story.

Or...
Kid brings clock to school, teachers see and know it's a clock.
One even says, "Don't show that around".
Administration sees clock, gets told it's a clock.
Evacuates the school....oh wait, they didn't.
So administrators really don't think it's a bomb, but call the cops anyway.
Cops see that it's a clock, administrators see that it's a clock.
They give kid back his clock.
Everyone goes home happy.
(except, perhaps dad, who didn't get the responce he wanted, because it was handled in a logical and common sense way)

If the school really thought it was a bomb, then the school acted negligently by allowing the "bomb" to remain in the school and the students and teachers to remain in the school, while the "bomb" was checked out.
That tells me that no one really thought this was a bomb.

If the dad did set this up, then the school administration and the cops couldn't have helped him out better in making his plan work.

Get rid of "policy" and bring back common sense.

Here is the part you are missing :

The police and school officials say that the kid was passive aggressive / evasive when questioned.

They claim that the interview video will validate their response.

The family has refused release of the video.


:tapfoot2

 

[honeybunny]

It is perfectly reasonable to be skeptical of this story :


http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=359142


:thumbsup

Is there something new in that article? I was half way through and it froze on me, but until that point everything was already some of the points made.

Seems that the Muslim community in Irving has a longstanding beef with the mayor :


http://www.ijreview.com/2015/03/279031-texas-mayor-accused-islamophobia-city-council-supports-resolution-outlawing-foreign-law/

Should I post the articles I can pull up about the mayor being crazy and having a beef with Muslims? They are out there too, some her own Dallas paper.

Crazy for coming out against Shariah law tribunals ? ? ?


:dunno

 

[ShoeDiva]

Here is the part you are missing :

The police and school officials say that the kid was passive aggressive / evasive when questioned.

They claim that the interview video will validate their response.

The family has refused release of the video.


:tapfoot2

HB, have you ever been around a 14 year old boy? He is in a room with authorities, handcuffed, telling them it is a clock them saying it does not look like a clock, he is asking to call his parents, they tell him he is in the middle of an interview/interrogation, no, and you do not think that he would come off as a little passive aggressive? I am pretty sure many people, while still talking, would be described as passive aggressive under those circumstances. :dunno

 

[ShoeDiva]

It is perfectly reasonable to be skeptical of this story :


http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=359142


:thumbsup

Is there something new in that article? I was half way through and it froze on me, but until that point everything was already some of the points made.

Seems that the Muslim community in Irving has a longstanding beef with the mayor :


http://www.ijreview.com/2015/03/279031-texas-mayor-accused-islamophobia-city-council-supports-resolution-outlawing-foreign-law/

Should I post the articles I can pull up about the mayor being crazy and having a beef with Muslims? They are out there too, some her own Dallas paper.

Crazy for coming out against Shariah law tribunals ? ? ?


:dunno

Where did I say she was crazy for coming out against tribunals? Oh, yeah, I didn't.

 

[stradial]

It is perfectly reasonable to be skeptical of this story :


http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=359142


:thumbsup

Is there something new in that article? I was half way through and it froze on me, but until that point everything was already some of the points made.

Seems that the Muslim community in Irving has a longstanding beef with the mayor :


http://www.ijreview.com/2015/03/279031-texas-mayor-accused-islamophobia-city-council-supports-resolution-outlawing-foreign-law/

Not sure how it's a hoax, if the teachers said that the kid showed them and told them it was a clock.
But could the dad have put the son up to it to stir up trouble, sure.
But the problem I have is how the school mishandled the situation.

Kid brings clock to school, teachers see and know it's a clock.
One even says, "Don't show that around".
Administration sees clock, gets told it's a clock.
Thinks it's a....bomb?
Evacuates the school....oh wait, they didn't.
So administrators really don't think it's a bomb, but call the cops anyway.
Cops handcuff kid for everyone's safety.

Now, let's look at that again.
Kid brings clock to school, teachers see and know it's a clock.
One even says, "Don't show that around".
And then says, "I better keep it here till after school".
End of story.

Or...
Kid brings clock to school, teachers see and know it's a clock.
One even says, "Don't show that around".
Administration sees clock, gets told it's a clock.
Administration checks with student's teachers who say he showed it to them.
End of story.

Or...
Kid brings clock to school, teachers see and know it's a clock.
One even says, "Don't show that around".
Administration sees clock, gets told it's a clock.
Evacuates the school....oh wait, they didn't.
So administrators really don't think it's a bomb, but call the cops anyway.
Cops see that it's a clock, administrators see that it's a clock.
They give kid back his clock.
Everyone goes home happy.
(except, perhaps dad, who didn't get the responce he wanted, because it was handled in a logical and common sense way)

If the school really thought it was a bomb, then the school acted negligently by allowing the "bomb" to remain in the school and the students and teachers to remain in the school, while the "bomb" was checked out.
That tells me that no one really thought this was a bomb.

If the dad did set this up, then the school administration and the cops couldn't have helped him out better in making his plan work.

Get rid of "policy" and bring back common sense.

Here is the part you are missing :

The police and school officials say that the kid was passive aggressive / evasive when questioned.

They claim that the interview video will validate their response.

The family has refused release of the video.


:tapfoot2

He's a teenager, passive/aggressive is their normal state.
My point is, it should have never gotten past the point of....it's a clock, several teachers knew it was a clock.
Take the clock and hold it till after school.
End of the story.

No cops, no media, no Obama, no anyone.
Just another day at school.

 

[Madea]

Here is the part you are missing :

The police and school officials say that the kid was passive aggressive / evasive when questioned.

They claim that the interview video will validate their response.

The family has refused release of the video.


:tapfoot2

HB, have you ever been around a 14 year old boy? He is in a room with authorities, handcuffed, telling them it is a clock them saying it does not look like a clock, he is asking to call his parents, they tell him he is in the middle of an interview/interrogation, no, and you do not think that he would come off as a little passive aggressive? I am pretty sure many people, while still talking, would be described as passive aggressive under those circumstances. :dunno

I don't believe that my 15 year old son would be. And, having seen this young man at his press conference, he was smiling, handling himself well. :dunno

 

[stradial]

Here is the part you are missing :

The police and school officials say that the kid was passive aggressive / evasive when questioned.

They claim that the interview video will validate their response.

The family has refused release of the video.


:tapfoot2

HB, have you ever been around a 14 year old boy? He is in a room with authorities, handcuffed, telling them it is a clock them saying it does not look like a clock, he is asking to call his parents, they tell him he is in the middle of an interview/interrogation, no, and you do not think that he would come off as a little passive aggressive? I am pretty sure many people, while still talking, would be described as passive aggressive under those circumstances. :dunno

I don't believe that my 15 year old son would be. And, having seen this young man at his press conference, he was smiling, handling himself well. :dunno

I am sure that there are those kids who wouldn't be called passive/aggressive.
Just as I am sure that there are those who would be.

I can promise you that the marshals at the government building would describe me in ways that I would disagree with, just as I am certain that they would disagree with my description of them and their actions.

 

[Madea]

Here is the part you are missing :

The police and school officials say that the kid was passive aggressive / evasive when questioned.

They claim that the interview video will validate their response.

The family has refused release of the video.


:tapfoot2

HB, have you ever been around a 14 year old boy? He is in a room with authorities, handcuffed, telling them it is a clock them saying it does not look like a clock, he is asking to call his parents, they tell him he is in the middle of an interview/interrogation, no, and you do not think that he would come off as a little passive aggressive? I am pretty sure many people, while still talking, would be described as passive aggressive under those circumstances. :dunno

I don't believe that my 15 year old son would be. And, having seen this young man at his press conference, he was smiling, handling himself well. :dunno

I am sure that there are those kids who wouldn't be called passive/aggressive.
Just as I am sure that there are those who would be.

I can promise you that the marshals at the government building would describe me in ways that I would disagree with, just as I am certain that they would disagree with my description of them and their actions.

Just FYI, one of those handsome young men working for the marshal's office in the government building is my cousin's husband. ;D

 

[honeybunny]

The narrative is falling apart :


http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=359156


:girlsaysno

 

[stradial]

Here is the part you are missing :

The police and school officials say that the kid was passive aggressive / evasive when questioned.

They claim that the interview video will validate their response.

The family has refused release of the video.


:tapfoot2

HB, have you ever been around a 14 year old boy? He is in a room with authorities, handcuffed, telling them it is a clock them saying it does not look like a clock, he is asking to call his parents, they tell him he is in the middle of an interview/interrogation, no, and you do not think that he would come off as a little passive aggressive? I am pretty sure many people, while still talking, would be described as passive aggressive under those circumstances. :dunno

I don't believe that my 15 year old son would be. And, having seen this young man at his press conference, he was smiling, handling himself well. :dunno

I am sure that there are those kids who wouldn't be called passive/aggressive.
Just as I am sure that there are those who would be.

I can promise you that the marshals at the government building would describe me in ways that I would disagree with, just as I am certain that they would disagree with my description of them and their actions.

Just FYI, one of those handsome young men working for the marshal's office in the government building is my cousin's husband. ;D

I hope it was the one there today, I liked him.

ETA, I was fair, I said they wouldn't agree with my version either.
My uncle was a cop for 40+ yrs.
I loved him and liked him.
But when it came to being a cop, he was a jerk.

 

[Madea]

He's usually there. He does leave at lunch time. He was there Monday when my husband and I went to get tags. :hiya

 

[ShoeDiva]

Here is the part you are missing :

The police and school officials say that the kid was passive aggressive / evasive when questioned.

They claim that the interview video will validate their response.

The family has refused release of the video.


:tapfoot2

HB, have you ever been around a 14 year old boy? He is in a room with authorities, handcuffed, telling them it is a clock them saying it does not look like a clock, he is asking to call his parents, they tell him he is in the middle of an interview/interrogation, no, and you do not think that he would come off as a little passive aggressive? I am pretty sure many people, while still talking, would be described as passive aggressive under those circumstances. :dunno

I don't believe that my 15 year old son would be. And, having seen this young man at his press conference, he was smiling, handling himself well. :dunno

You know, he might not be, but looking at what I see at school I am certain that if the above situation presented itself most would be. Heck Madea they are up in the office without a cop and they seem passive aggressive and not forthcoming over things that much less is at stake. )


I will also say that after a few months at the middle school level and how things do get a little misconstrued at times, I did advise my son that, " If you are accused of or do something...if it is an offense that could get you arrested or taken to jail, you ask for a parent and your lawyer. Do not speak to anyone, because it can and will be used against you." :dunno Things are easily misunderstood, either in your explanation not being clear, someone saying, but you mean this...and agreeing, eh, I have always thought it is better to not say something than to say something and the foot goes in deeper and deeper. ) (Now mine could not tell a story or incident to save his life...details, not so much, names, you know...the girl with the blond hair. :wut He would have been in a world of hurt back then trying to explain an incident, whether innocent or not.) As an adult I could believe since someone would not talk or explain something that they were passive aggressive. Or if they were just saying it is a clock and you are not agreeing. JMO

 

[ShoeDiva]

You know, at this point I highly doubt we will ever know the total truth. He could be innocent and used the word invention (which obviously people do not care about tearing into a 14 year old that could be innocent) when he really should have said I was showing off my knowledge of how things are put together..or whatever, I am not sure of what word disassembling something and reassembling it differently should be used. And now is being raked over the coals for wanting his middle school "known for electronics" to follow him to high school.

Or he could have done it for all of this to happen, which :dunno no one knows. We can go back and forth on what if's forever. Post articles from the right and left (which just contradict each other ) ) but I just do not see how we will ever really know without them saying it was intentional. And since the police have publicly stated that he did not do it to alarm, if this was intentional I do not see anyone saying that now.

 

[jenilyn]

My question, would people be so hell bent on trying to prove this kid had other intentions if Obama hadn't invited him to the white house?