The \'Cutest Couple\' This High School Didn\'t Expect

[Guard Dad]

Lisa - Why would God create a gene for what his word states is sinful?

And none of us are denying that we should love gay people same as anyone else.

Why does God allow gene mutations that lead to all kinds of bad things? There is some evidence, there are some studies that show that there are some cases of genetic responsibility for some violent tendencies. Not all, but some. Why would he allow that?

Is that of God or of external influences? EX: drugs or chemicals.

They don't indicate any outside forces that may have caused the mutations but we really don't know. I imagine humans will always find the path that is easiest for them in their beliefs ... I just like to ask questions, try to learn as much as I kind.

Nothing wrong with that.

A lot of things get blamed on God that isn't him.

 

[unionmom]

Nothing wrong with that.

A lot of things get blamed on God that isn't him.

And nobody knows for sure what is or isn't.

 

[Madea]

Since God commands us to love, how many of you have ministered to someone who is gay?

 

[ShoeDiva]

Since God commands us to love, how many of you have ministered to someone who is gay?

All the gay people I know are very good Christians and I have had many conversations with them regarding this and many other topics. I know someone will jump in and say it is a conflict of them being gay and a practicing Christian, but to speak to them and their love for God, I have no doubt.

I do not think anyone would make this choice on their own and do believe that with the research that a gene will be found. They already can show a difference in brain waves. Why would God create a gene that goes against what has been said (GD) I do not have that answer and maybe it is just a test for us and to see how we will behave.

There are many things in this world that I can not explain, nor can anyone else. Are they God, Satan, wordly influence? I do not know the answer, but I do know that living my life as I should and accepting and loving people is a part of the influence God has had on my life.

 

[LisaC]

Since God commands us to love, how many of you have ministered to someone who is gay?

I can raise both hands to answer that question... I love each of my friends dearly and I love having the opportunity to share what Jesus has done for me. Some of them are Christians, some of them are not - but each one of them knows that I am and that I don't care if they are gay, I just simply love them where they are.

 

[Guard Dad]

Since God commands us to love, how many of you have ministered to someone who is gay?

I have, many times. And I always do it from a standpoint of love, but without condoning sin. I also don't condemn them, I am not nearly sinless enough to do so.

 

[Madea]

Since God commands us to love, how many of you have ministered to someone who is gay?

I can raise both hands to answer that question... I love each of my friends dearly and I love having the opportunity to share what Jesus has done for me. Some of them are Christians, some of them are not - but each one of them knows that I am and that I don't care if they are gay, I just simply love them where they are.

And, if asked the same question, I could give the same answer. I have quite a few friends who are gay/lesbian and I do love them. We are all well aware of where each stands. That does not mean that I belittle and/or encourage anyone who has not had the same experience as me, or who feels differently. I am quite sure that most everyone here has someone close to them who are gay/lesbian. That doesn't mean that everyone is going to openly accept the entire gay package. To accuse those who don't of not being Christ-like and/or loving is as unfair to them as you feel they are being to those who are gay.

I love my friends who are gay. They know I don't currently support gay marriage. And I'm not ready for a national solution. They are fully aware of my reasoning. And they know I fully support traditional marriage and the nuclear family. And they know that NONE of that effects how I feel about them.

None of that makes me a homophobe.

 

[J-man]

Personally I don't believe it has anything to do with genetics, I think it's a lifestyle choice people make for a variety of reasons. I won't force my views on anyone within my circle of influence who may be gay but in return I won't allow anyone to convince me to change my view on the subject. We all have free will and make daily choices of how we live our lives. Ultimately we answer for our choices.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Personally I don't believe it has anything to do with genetics, I think it's a lifestyle choice people make for a variety of reasons. I won't force my views on anyone within my circle of influence who may be gay but in return I won't allow anyone to convince me to change my view on the subject. We all have free will and make daily choices of how we live our lives. Ultimately we answer for our choices.

:thumbsup Reasonable.

Hypothetically, what happens when the gene is fully discovered and you realize that people that are gay did not make a choice and they were born that way?
Wow I think that needs a s/o! )

 

[LisaC]

Since God commands us to love, how many of you have ministered to someone who is gay?

I can raise both hands to answer that question... I love each of my friends dearly and I love having the opportunity to share what Jesus has done for me. Some of them are Christians, some of them are not - but each one of them knows that I am and that I don't care if they are gay, I just simply love them where they are.

And, if asked the same question, I could give the same answer. I have quite a few friends who are gay/lesbian and I do love them. We are all well aware of where each stands. That does not mean that I belittle and/or encourage anyone who has not had the same experience as me, or who feels differently. I am quite sure that most everyone here has someone close to them who are gay/lesbian. That doesn't mean that everyone is going to openly accept the entire gay package. To accuse those who don't of not being Christ-like and/or loving is as unfair to them as you feel they are being to those who are gay.

I love my friends who are gay. They know I don't currently support gay marriage. And I'm not ready for a national solution. They are fully aware of my reasoning. And they know I fully support traditional marriage and the nuclear family. And they know that NONE of that effects how I feel about them.

None of that makes me a homophobe.

I have never seen you say or do anything that makes me think you are homophobic. But, I don't like when people seem to thrive on taking the opportunity to say things like "homosexuality is an abomination" every chance they get. JMHO, but if folks are so intent on making sure that someone knows that they are considered an "abomination," it's really hard to convince me that they are being loving or Christ-like. Again, just my opinion. :dunno

 

[J-man]

Personally I don't believe it has anything to do with genetics, I think it's a lifestyle choice people make for a variety of reasons. I won't force my views on anyone within my circle of influence who may be gay but in return I won't allow anyone to convince me to change my view on the subject. We all have free will and make daily choices of how we live our lives. Ultimately we answer for our choices.

:thumbsup Reasonable.

Hypothetically, what happens when the gene is fully discovered and you realize that people that are gay did not make a choice and they were born that way?
Wow I think that needs a s/o! )

I would question the research which claims the discovery.

 

[LisaC]

Personally I don't believe it has anything to do with genetics, I think it's a lifestyle choice people make for a variety of reasons. I won't force my views on anyone within my circle of influence who may be gay but in return I won't allow anyone to convince me to change my view on the subject. We all have free will and make daily choices of how we live our lives. Ultimately we answer for our choices.

:thumbsup Reasonable.

Hypothetically, what happens when the gene is fully discovered and you realize that people that are gay did not make a choice and they were born that way?
Wow I think that needs a s/o! )

I would question the research which claims the discovery.

Why? Genetics plays a big role in determining your sex and your sexuality.

ETA: Actually, let me add this. Questioning it is probably going to be a natural reaction for everyone. But, I think if the evidence is there, we have to look at it. Does that change what the Bible says? No.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Personally I don't believe it has anything to do with genetics, I think it's a lifestyle choice people make for a variety of reasons. I won't force my views on anyone within my circle of influence who may be gay but in return I won't allow anyone to convince me to change my view on the subject. We all have free will and make daily choices of how we live our lives. Ultimately we answer for our choices.

:thumbsup Reasonable.

Hypothetically, what happens when the gene is fully discovered and you realize that people that are gay did not make a choice and they were born that way?
Wow I think that needs a s/o! )

I would question the research which claims the discovery.

Why? Genetics plays a big role in determining your sex and your sexuality.

ETA: Actually, let me add this. Questioning it is probably going to be a natural reaction for everyone. But, I think if the evidence is there, we have to look at it. Does that change what the Bible says? No.

I agree with Lisa, but J-Man what if it was proven, accepted across the board it exists just like any other gene?

 

[Guard Dad]

Personally I don't believe it has anything to do with genetics, I think it's a lifestyle choice people make for a variety of reasons. I won't force my views on anyone within my circle of influence who may be gay but in return I won't allow anyone to convince me to change my view on the subject. We all have free will and make daily choices of how we live our lives. Ultimately we answer for our choices.

:thumbsup Reasonable.

Hypothetically, what happens when the gene is fully discovered and you realize that people that are gay did not make a choice and they were born that way?
Wow I think that needs a s/o! )

I would question the research which claims the discovery.

Why? Genetics plays a big role in determining your sex and your sexuality.

ETA: Actually, let me add this. Questioning it is probably going to be a natural reaction for everyone. But, I think if the evidence is there, we have to look at it. Does that change what the Bible says? No.

I've seen studies and research that tends to support both theories.

Sadly, there is far too much agenda in "science" today. Take Global Warming, for example. Several scientists admitted awhile back that the federal government pressured them to find data to support man-made global warming.

So yeah, I take most studies with a grain (or two) of salt.

Having said...certainly, some men are more feminine than others and some women are more masculine than others. Is that a contributing factor in homosexuality? Very possibly. But our actions are still a choice. We are all tempted of the flesh; yet most of us will agree that it is NOT alright to cheat on our spouses. We have all experienced the emotion of coveting what we don't; yet it is NOT alright to steal from those who do.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Personally I don't believe it has anything to do with genetics, I think it's a lifestyle choice people make for a variety of reasons. I won't force my views on anyone within my circle of influence who may be gay but in return I won't allow anyone to convince me to change my view on the subject. We all have free will and make daily choices of how we live our lives. Ultimately we answer for our choices.

:thumbsup Reasonable.

Hypothetically, what happens when the gene is fully discovered and you realize that people that are gay did not make a choice and they were born that way?
Wow I think that needs a s/o! )

I would question the research which claims the discovery.

Why? Genetics plays a big role in determining your sex and your sexuality.

ETA: Actually, let me add this. Questioning it is probably going to be a natural reaction for everyone. But, I think if the evidence is there, we have to look at it. Does that change what the Bible says? No.

I've seen studies and research that tends to support both theories.

Sadly, there is far too much agenda in "science" today. Take Global Warming, for example. Several scientists admitted awhile back that the federal government pressured them to find data to support man-made global warming.

So yeah, I take most studies with a grain (or two) of salt.

Having said...certainly, some men are more feminine than others and some women are more masculine than others. Is that a contributing factor in homosexuality? Very possibly. But our actions are still a choice. We are all tempted of the flesh; yet most of us will agree that it is NOT alright to cheat on our spouses. We have all experienced the emotion of coveting what we don't; yet it is NOT alright to steal from those who do.

BUT, and this is my point, if it came out, it was indisputable, totally accepted it is from birth, how does that change your mind or thoughts about it being a choice? You did not have a choice of being heterosexual you just were, they are just homosexual. We are not talking about a temptation, but a fact that a girl like a girl in the same way a guy likes a girl. Why would they not follow nature if it is indeed a born trait they can not change like they can not change their eye color or height?

 

[J-man]

Personally I don't believe it has anything to do with genetics, I think it's a lifestyle choice people make for a variety of reasons. I won't force my views on anyone within my circle of influence who may be gay but in return I won't allow anyone to convince me to change my view on the subject. We all have free will and make daily choices of how we live our lives. Ultimately we answer for our choices.

:thumbsup Reasonable.

Hypothetically, what happens when the gene is fully discovered and you realize that people that are gay did not make a choice and they were born that way?
Wow I think that needs a s/o! )

I would question the research which claims the discovery.

Why? Genetics plays a big role in determining your sex and your sexuality.

ETA: Actually, let me add this. Questioning it is probably going to be a natural reaction for everyone. But, I think if the evidence is there, we have to look at it. Does that change what the Bible says? No.

Like I said before, I won't force my views on other but won't allow anyone to change mine, especially on this subject or abortion. I respect your willingness to accepting gay / lesbian behavior as normal and/or hereditary but you will never convince me. I love coffee, it's addictive, but I can stop anytime I wish. It has nothing to do with my genetics.

Here's a hypothetical for you: You are approached by a gay friend and are asked what your personally beliefs are regarding them being gay. Then you are asked what your religious beliefs are on the topic. Would your personal beliefs match your religious beliefs? If they gave you the ultimatum of choosing between their friendship or ministering to them in a loving manner, which would you choose?

 

[ShoeDiva]

Personally I don't believe it has anything to do with genetics, I think it's a lifestyle choice people make for a variety of reasons. I won't force my views on anyone within my circle of influence who may be gay but in return I won't allow anyone to convince me to change my view on the subject. We all have free will and make daily choices of how we live our lives. Ultimately we answer for our choices.

:thumbsup Reasonable.

Hypothetically, what happens when the gene is fully discovered and you realize that people that are gay did not make a choice and they were born that way?
Wow I think that needs a s/o! )

I would question the research which claims the discovery.

Why? Genetics plays a big role in determining your sex and your sexuality.

ETA: Actually, let me add this. Questioning it is probably going to be a natural reaction for everyone. But, I think if the evidence is there, we have to look at it. Does that change what the Bible says? No.

Like I said before, I won't force my views on other but won't allow anyone to change mine, especially on this subject or abortion. I respect your willingness to accepting gay / lesbian behavior as normal and/or hereditary but you will never convince me. I love coffee, it's addictive, but I can stop anytime I wish. It has nothing to do with my genetics.

Here's a hypothetical for you: You are approached by a gay friend and are asked what your personally beliefs are regarding them being gay. Then you are asked what your religious beliefs are on the topic. Would your personal beliefs match your religious beliefs? If they gave you the ultimatum of choosing between their friendship or ministering to them in a loving manner, which would you choose?

Stay out of my freezer! :girlsaysno

 

[Guard Dad]

Personally I don't believe it has anything to do with genetics, I think it's a lifestyle choice people make for a variety of reasons. I won't force my views on anyone within my circle of influence who may be gay but in return I won't allow anyone to convince me to change my view on the subject. We all have free will and make daily choices of how we live our lives. Ultimately we answer for our choices.

:thumbsup Reasonable.

Hypothetically, what happens when the gene is fully discovered and you realize that people that are gay did not make a choice and they were born that way?
Wow I think that needs a s/o! )

I would question the research which claims the discovery.

Why? Genetics plays a big role in determining your sex and your sexuality.

ETA: Actually, let me add this. Questioning it is probably going to be a natural reaction for everyone. But, I think if the evidence is there, we have to look at it. Does that change what the Bible says? No.

I've seen studies and research that tends to support both theories.

Sadly, there is far too much agenda in "science" today. Take Global Warming, for example. Several scientists admitted awhile back that the federal government pressured them to find data to support man-made global warming.

So yeah, I take most studies with a grain (or two) of salt.

Having said...certainly, some men are more feminine than others and some women are more masculine than others. Is that a contributing factor in homosexuality? Very possibly. But our actions are still a choice. We are all tempted of the flesh; yet most of us will agree that it is NOT alright to cheat on our spouses. We have all experienced the emotion of coveting what we don't; yet it is NOT alright to steal from those who do.

BUT, and this is my point, if it came out, it was indisputable, totally accepted it is from birth, how does that change your mind or thoughts about it being a choice? You did not have a choice of being heterosexual you just were, they are just homosexual. We are not talking about a temptation, but a fact that a girl like a girl in the same way a guy likes a girl. Why would they not follow nature if it is indeed a born trait they can not change like they can not change their eye color or height?

I seriously doubt that will happen. There will be attempts as such a revelation by people with an agenda, there already has been. But I don't think there's a gene that make us hetero either. I think it's mostly due to our anatomy and our environment. People with male parts tend to be attracted to people with female parts, and vice versa. I think environment is a huge factor. I know a gay guy that says he's gay because a friend of his big brother would taunt him with his (insert male part) when he was a little boy. That caused him to be fixated on it as he was growing up and his physical attraction grew from there. This is his own words.

 

[LisaC]

Personally I don't believe it has anything to do with genetics, I think it's a lifestyle choice people make for a variety of reasons. I won't force my views on anyone within my circle of influence who may be gay but in return I won't allow anyone to convince me to change my view on the subject. We all have free will and make daily choices of how we live our lives. Ultimately we answer for our choices.

:thumbsup Reasonable.

Hypothetically, what happens when the gene is fully discovered and you realize that people that are gay did not make a choice and they were born that way?
Wow I think that needs a s/o! )

I would question the research which claims the discovery.

Why? Genetics plays a big role in determining your sex and your sexuality.

ETA: Actually, let me add this. Questioning it is probably going to be a natural reaction for everyone. But, I think if the evidence is there, we have to look at it. Does that change what the Bible says? No.

Like I said before, I won't force my views on other but won't allow anyone to change mine, especially on this subject or abortion. I respect your willingness to accepting gay / lesbian behavior as normal and/or hereditary but you will never convince me. I love coffee, it's addictive, but I can stop anytime I wish. It has nothing to do with my genetics.

Here's a hypothetical for you: You are approached by a gay friend and are asked what your personally beliefs are regarding them being gay. Then you are asked what your religious beliefs are on the topic. Would your personal beliefs match your religious beliefs? If they gave you the ultimatum of choosing between their friendship or ministering to them in a loving manner, which would you choose?

Answer: First, I would tell them that as my friend - my love is unconditional. I will love them whether they accept or agree with me. Then, I would tell them that I believe that the Bible is the true, inerrant word of God and that if they want to hear how He has changed my life, I would be delighted to share that with them. And, if they don't want to hear it, that's fine too. I would also them tell them that I will not lie to them and tell them the Bible says something that it doesn't. And, I will make it a point to tell them that I am FAR FAR from being perfect and that I sin regularly and if they want to talk about that, they can ask away. Then, I will ask them if they're thirsty so we can have a drink and chat... A couple of folks sitting and getting to know each other without judgment and condemnation over an iced tea, diet coke, or something stronger can change the world!

P.S. This has happened in real life. We are still friends.

ETA: You can't make the choice in your hypothetical - the other person has to make the decision. If they don't want to hear about your beliefs, they aren't going to listen regardless of which one you choose.

 

[J-man]

Good answer. :CLAP

Unfortunately I've had to end a long-time friendship after years of ministering to someone on another issue. It began to negatively affect my health and well-being, not to mention disrupt my family life. At one point the individual has to come to terms on whatever the issue is and decide if they're going to ever make a change.