Take Down the Flag?

[ShoeDiva]

And I hate to say it but I WAS RIGHT!!! Here we go, now we're banning school mascots and fight songs:

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-to-ban-rebel-mascot-and-dixie-fight-song.html

The next time someone tells me they're being racially offended I'm going to punch them in the face so they can know exactly what it feels like, maybe then they'll stop calling all this other non-sense offensive.

One article said they had already taken down the Confederate Flag some time ago, so I am unsure of why a Rebel or song would be a percieved issue. I say percieved, because the 5 board members came up with this, there was not a call to have it done that I have read about. :dunno
And no punching, we only have a StRadial fund to bail him out when Kate gets tired of the stalking attention.

 

[Boss 302]

And I hate to say it but I WAS RIGHT!!! Here we go, now we're banning school mascots and fight songs:

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-to-ban-rebel-mascot-and-dixie-fight-song.html

The next time someone tells me they're being racially offended I'm going to punch them in the face so they can know exactly what it feels like, maybe then they'll stop calling all this other non-sense offensive.

I bet a sporting events, the fans still sing "Dixie."

 

[Stellarvore]

This is a good article related not just to removing the Confederate flag from the General Lee but about the cultural cleansing taking place in our country right now, all while ISIS is doing the same thing in the Middle East. Think about that for a few minutes, let that little nugget sink in. Our people better wake up before it's too late, it's only a matter of time before they come after something important to you.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/06/24/todd-starnes-islamic-state-has-been-doing-some-cultural-cleansing-too

Scary thought man. It's coming, though. Anything they can use to browbeat us into giving up everything they don't like. I'm broke now, I have enough money for gas and a couple pizzas for the family tonight, and I get paid in a week or so. I'll go buy a few confederate flags to support the cause and display them wherever I can. They can take their political correctness and shove it. I'm so fed up with people trying to silence others because they don't like what they have to say.

You don't see me out there burning down mosques or harassing black people while wearing a sheet, or whatever else just because I don't like what they say/do. I damned sure don't like Islam, and I certainly hate Obama and his politics, and the poilitics of people like Al Sharpton...but I'll never try to deny them their freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment.

 

[J-man]

I'm just waiting on my invitation to participate in the National Kumbaya singing. I haven't got mine yet, has anyone else?

 

[Guard Dad]

I believe the Charleston shooter said something just before be began about "you people" taking over.

All this banning and pulling off the shelves is going to bring even more crazies out of the woodwork.

You read it here first.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I'm just waiting on my invitation to participate in the National Kumbaya singing. I haven't got mine yet, has anyone else?

I am sure the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts of America is organizing that right now! Don't give up hope, the invitation will show up!

 

[stradial]

Again, this is nothing new.
Who remembers the University of GA Dixie Redcoat Marching Band?

That was the name of the marching band for UGA from 1905 until....the late 70's or early 80's?
The word Dixie was taken out of the name because it was "racist".
I was against that at the time and I am still against it.

Dixie is a nickname for the southeastern part of the United States.
No more, no less.
When the word Dixie is spoke, I doubt the majority of the people in think negative thoughts.
(at least no more negative thoughts than if you used the words, south east)
If you are offended by the word, Dixie, then you should be also be offended by the words, south, southern and south east.

That was a fight worth fighting.
In fact, we should have left the UGA name as it was and changed the GA flag back to the pre 1956 flag.

 

[Madea]

I have no feelings at all towards the Confederate flag one way or the other,
just tired of the fruitless exercise of politically correct mental masturbation.

^This, exactly. And it will get worse with each victory the PC crowd wins.

It won't be long until WalMart will remove bacon from the shelves because it offends Muslims. That's when the fight will start!! :B_S

When we moved here from New York I had one neighbor who flew the Confederate flag. He was also the person who introduced me to the N word. I had never heard it before. I didn't like it and it affected me. In school the story of Martin Luther King Jr affected me. When I grew up and started to read books about the civil rights movement and slavery, it affected me. Its been something that I've felt strongly about most of my life. For some of us, its not a PC bandwagon to jump on. For some of us, we've learned enough and empathized enough to know about and truly believe that removing the Confederate flag from flying over a state capital is the right thing to do.

Why?

I strongly support everything MLK did. The current regime not so much.

 

[Madea]

In this instance, specifically, not what else or what is next, this instance, would it harm anyone to take down the flag? No. Will it change the history behind it? No. Will it stop racism? No. Will it make a large number of people happy/comfortable/at peace in knowing that the country made a stand against something that now symbolizes racism? That answer I do believe is yes. It might just be a symbolic gesture, but with all we have witnessed in the news lately, is it really one that would hurt? I understand the history, I do think it should be in museums, it has a rightful place there. I have never had a strong feeling either way on that flag, but I have been swayed by StRadial and his very good points to realize it is time to put it away. As for all the stores jumping on to not sell the flag? :dunno Maybe it is just their gesture at peace for our country.

Will it hurt? Probably not. But it could set a precedent.

But my concern is that is will fuel the next little group who wants to be offended by something. Where will it end?

Over 400,000 people have signed a petition to have the Confederate flag removed from the South Carolina State Capitol. That's not a little group.

I wonder how many of those folks are citizens of South Carolina.

 

[rolltidega]

It is def going crazy now:

http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/national/baltimore-mayor-wants-park-named-robert-e-lee-chan/nmknk/?ecmp=wsbam_social_facebook_sfp

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/06/24/farrakhan-i-dont-get-debate-over-confederate-flag-we-need-to-put-the-american-flag-down/

 

[jenilyn]

In this instance, specifically, not what else or what is next, this instance, would it harm anyone to take down the flag? No. Will it change the history behind it? No. Will it stop racism? No. Will it make a large number of people happy/comfortable/at peace in knowing that the country made a stand against something that now symbolizes racism? That answer I do believe is yes. It might just be a symbolic gesture, but with all we have witnessed in the news lately, is it really one that would hurt? I understand the history, I do think it should be in museums, it has a rightful place there. I have never had a strong feeling either way on that flag, but I have been swayed by StRadial and his very good points to realize it is time to put it away. As for all the stores jumping on to not sell the flag? :dunno Maybe it is just their gesture at peace for our country.

Will it hurt? Probably not. But it could set a precedent.

But my concern is that is will fuel the next little group who wants to be offended by something. Where will it end?

Over 400,000 people have signed a petition to have the Confederate flag removed from the South Carolina State Capitol. That's not a little group.

I wonder how many of those folks are citizens of South Carolina.

I have no feelings at all towards the Confederate flag one way or the other,
just tired of the fruitless exercise of politically correct mental masturbation.

^This, exactly. And it will get worse with each victory the PC crowd wins.

It won't be long until WalMart will remove bacon from the shelves because it offends Muslims. That's when the fight will start!! :B_S

When we moved here from New York I had one neighbor who flew the Confederate flag. He was also the person who introduced me to the N word. I had never heard it before. I didn't like it and it affected me. In school the story of Martin Luther King Jr affected me. When I grew up and started to read books about the civil rights movement and slavery, it affected me. Its been something that I've felt strongly about most of my life. For some of us, its not a PC bandwagon to jump on. For some of us, we've learned enough and empathized enough to know about and truly believe that removing the Confederate flag from flying over a state capital is the right thing to do.

Why?

I strongly support everything MLK did. The current regime not so much.

Why what?

 

[Madea]

In this instance, specifically, not what else or what is next, this instance, would it harm anyone to take down the flag? No. Will it change the history behind it? No. Will it stop racism? No. Will it make a large number of people happy/comfortable/at peace in knowing that the country made a stand against something that now symbolizes racism? That answer I do believe is yes. It might just be a symbolic gesture, but with all we have witnessed in the news lately, is it really one that would hurt? I understand the history, I do think it should be in museums, it has a rightful place there. I have never had a strong feeling either way on that flag, but I have been swayed by StRadial and his very good points to realize it is time to put it away. As for all the stores jumping on to not sell the flag? :dunno Maybe it is just their gesture at peace for our country.

Will it hurt? Probably not. But it could set a precedent.

But my concern is that is will fuel the next little group who wants to be offended by something. Where will it end?

Over 400,000 people have signed a petition to have the Confederate flag removed from the South Carolina State Capitol. That's not a little group.

I wonder how many of those folks are citizens of South Carolina.

I have no feelings at all towards the Confederate flag one way or the other,
just tired of the fruitless exercise of politically correct mental masturbation.

^This, exactly. And it will get worse with each victory the PC crowd wins.

It won't be long until WalMart will remove bacon from the shelves because it offends Muslims. That's when the fight will start!! :B_S

When we moved here from New York I had one neighbor who flew the Confederate flag. He was also the person who introduced me to the N word. I had never heard it before. I didn't like it and it affected me. In school the story of Martin Luther King Jr affected me. When I grew up and started to read books about the civil rights movement and slavery, it affected me. Its been something that I've felt strongly about most of my life. For some of us, its not a PC bandwagon to jump on. For some of us, we've learned enough and empathized enough to know about and truly believe that removing the Confederate flag from flying over a state capital is the right thing to do.

Why?

I strongly support everything MLK did. The current regime not so much.

Why what?

Why does that flag affect you?

 

[mach4]

So what do we do when we have to take down the American flag?

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/06/24/farrakhan-i-dont-get-debate-over-confederate-flag-we-need-to-put-the-american-flag-down/


I know it says video in the link..but there is an article under the video.

 

[Madea]

Anybody have some books I can burn?

 

[jenilyn]

In this instance, specifically, not what else or what is next, this instance, would it harm anyone to take down the flag? No. Will it change the history behind it? No. Will it stop racism? No. Will it make a large number of people happy/comfortable/at peace in knowing that the country made a stand against something that now symbolizes racism? That answer I do believe is yes. It might just be a symbolic gesture, but with all we have witnessed in the news lately, is it really one that would hurt? I understand the history, I do think it should be in museums, it has a rightful place there. I have never had a strong feeling either way on that flag, but I have been swayed by StRadial and his very good points to realize it is time to put it away. As for all the stores jumping on to not sell the flag? :dunno Maybe it is just their gesture at peace for our country.

Will it hurt? Probably not. But it could set a precedent.

But my concern is that is will fuel the next little group who wants to be offended by something. Where will it end?

Over 400,000 people have signed a petition to have the Confederate flag removed from the South Carolina State Capitol. That's not a little group.

I wonder how many of those folks are citizens of South Carolina.

I have no feelings at all towards the Confederate flag one way or the other,
just tired of the fruitless exercise of politically correct mental masturbation.

^This, exactly. And it will get worse with each victory the PC crowd wins.

It won't be long until WalMart will remove bacon from the shelves because it offends Muslims. That's when the fight will start!! :B_S

When we moved here from New York I had one neighbor who flew the Confederate flag. He was also the person who introduced me to the N word. I had never heard it before. I didn't like it and it affected me. In school the story of Martin Luther King Jr affected me. When I grew up and started to read books about the civil rights movement and slavery, it affected me. Its been something that I've felt strongly about most of my life. For some of us, its not a PC bandwagon to jump on. For some of us, we've learned enough and empathized enough to know about and truly believe that removing the Confederate flag from flying over a state capital is the right thing to do.

Why?

I strongly support everything MLK did. The current regime not so much.

Why what?

Why does that flag affect you?

The flag itself doesn't affect me. I feel like removing the flag from the South Carolina state capitol building, as well as other capitol buildings is the right thing to do because a large population of Americans find it offensive. I assume some find it offensive for the reason it was placed there to begin with.

 

[Madea]

In this instance, specifically, not what else or what is next, this instance, would it harm anyone to take down the flag? No. Will it change the history behind it? No. Will it stop racism? No. Will it make a large number of people happy/comfortable/at peace in knowing that the country made a stand against something that now symbolizes racism? That answer I do believe is yes. It might just be a symbolic gesture, but with all we have witnessed in the news lately, is it really one that would hurt? I understand the history, I do think it should be in museums, it has a rightful place there. I have never had a strong feeling either way on that flag, but I have been swayed by StRadial and his very good points to realize it is time to put it away. As for all the stores jumping on to not sell the flag? :dunno Maybe it is just their gesture at peace for our country.

Will it hurt? Probably not. But it could set a precedent.

But my concern is that is will fuel the next little group who wants to be offended by something. Where will it end?

Over 400,000 people have signed a petition to have the Confederate flag removed from the South Carolina State Capitol. That's not a little group.

I wonder how many of those folks are citizens of South Carolina.

I have no feelings at all towards the Confederate flag one way or the other,
just tired of the fruitless exercise of politically correct mental masturbation.

^This, exactly. And it will get worse with each victory the PC crowd wins.

It won't be long until WalMart will remove bacon from the shelves because it offends Muslims. That's when the fight will start!! :B_S

When we moved here from New York I had one neighbor who flew the Confederate flag. He was also the person who introduced me to the N word. I had never heard it before. I didn't like it and it affected me. In school the story of Martin Luther King Jr affected me. When I grew up and started to read books about the civil rights movement and slavery, it affected me. Its been something that I've felt strongly about most of my life. For some of us, its not a PC bandwagon to jump on. For some of us, we've learned enough and empathized enough to know about and truly believe that removing the Confederate flag from flying over a state capital is the right thing to do.

Why?

I strongly support everything MLK did. The current regime not so much.

Why what?

Why does that flag affect you?

The flag itself doesn't affect me. I feel like removing the flag from the South Carolina state capitol building, as well as other capitol buildings is the right thing to do because a large population of Americans find it offensive. I assume some find it offensive for the reason it was placed there to begin with.

Again, does that "large population" live in South Carolina?

 

[Madea]

From a friend's post on Facebook:

I have been so appalled the past few days at the lack of knowledge regarding our history. So here is a little history lesson.
The federal government was originally established to oversee interstate commerce and defense of our country. Each state paid the federal government to oversee these two programs. Each state had it's own government, laws, was independent from the Federal government, in other words was NOT dependent upon Federal money for support. Instead the Federal government was dependent upon the support of the states.
The federal government was allowing the northern states to keep the southern states from doing anything commerce wise between the states except farming or agricultural products. This was keeping the south poor and the north rich. This is why the southern states joined the confederacy, this is why the civil war started, this is why so many men gave their lives....fighting to keep their states free from being enslaved by the federal government. The southern states wanted manufacturing & textile plants to produce & sale more products. In today's terms, the south wanted and needed better paying jobs. During the civil war a battle flag was used by several of the confederate troops. It was NOT the confederate flag that was used.
Slavery and slave trading only became an issue 2 years after the civil war started. President Lincoln was a racist, he stated that black people were inferior to the white man. President Lincoln, congress (both senate & house) had purchased land in Africa to return the slaves once they were freed. They were not returning them because they cared for them. They wanted them sent back because they looked down on them. When Lincoln signed The emancipation proclamation his intent was for these slaves to be sent to Africa. They had named the land the US purchased Liberia (for liberty) and the capitol was called Monrovia (after James Monroe. The signing of the emancipation proclamation only freed the slaves in the southern states. It was 2 years after the emancipation proclamation was signed before the north freed their slaves.
Upon the end of the civil war the southern states that had tried to secede from the union became even more restricted and lost more state rights.
Today the United States are now controlled by the federal government. Each state is dependent upon the Federal government for funding for schools, housing, health care, roads, etc...
This is what the south had tried to prevent....the federal government from taking over and making the states dependent upon them.
The very thing that the civil war was fought over is the very thing that happened. We ARE all slaves to the federal government and have been since the civil war. If you don't believe your enslaved to the federal government don't buy healthcare or pay taxes and see what happens. No one WON in this situation. But slavery was NOT what started the civil war....and if it was why would the emancipation proclamation not include ALL states?
And why did it take 2 years after it's signing before the northern slaves were freed?
Furthermore, technically President Lincoln was NOT the President over the confederate states and had NO legal authority over the southern states when he signed the emancipation proclamation. Remember they had seceded from the union and joined the confederacy who had their own government. Which again technically makes the war not a civil war but a war between two countries. A civil war is when two sides are fighting for control of the same government. This was not the case. The confederacy was it's own government entity.
History lesson in this is people should truly know what the civil war was about. They should know that the flag being removed wasn't the confederate flag it is and was a battle flag. Could tell you a lot more on the significance of this flag...but I won't. After the civil war the KKK (established by democrats) took this flag and turned it into a symbol of hate and anger. Over the years it has become a symbol of rebellion, racism and hate by many.
However, the original use of the flag was one of victory and honor of the men who gave there lives for trying to keep the federal government from overreaching it's power. This flag and what it once stood for has it's place in history. These men should never be forgotten and the civil war should never be turned into something ugly and vile like racism & slavery.
Should the flag be removed and should companies stop selling this flag? I truly have mixed feelings over it because it was never a confederate flag to start with.
Moreover, this flag wasn't the flag flown on the slave trade ships, the US flag was. The very flag that we pledge allegiance too is the very flag that was flown in transporting the slaves to the US. So which flag should be most offensive to the ancestor's of slaves?
Either way the civil war was an honorable war. All the men who died fought for what they believed in at that time. Regardless of how many times history is rewritten, I am thankful that I was taught the true reason why the states seceded, why so many men died and what the "rebel" flag truly stood for at one time.
And bottom line, we are very much enslaved. Each and every citizen is more enslaved than our forefathers ever intended.

 

[jenilyn]

In this instance, specifically, not what else or what is next, this instance, would it harm anyone to take down the flag? No. Will it change the history behind it? No. Will it stop racism? No. Will it make a large number of people happy/comfortable/at peace in knowing that the country made a stand against something that now symbolizes racism? That answer I do believe is yes. It might just be a symbolic gesture, but with all we have witnessed in the news lately, is it really one that would hurt? I understand the history, I do think it should be in museums, it has a rightful place there. I have never had a strong feeling either way on that flag, but I have been swayed by StRadial and his very good points to realize it is time to put it away. As for all the stores jumping on to not sell the flag? :dunno Maybe it is just their gesture at peace for our country.

Will it hurt? Probably not. But it could set a precedent.

But my concern is that is will fuel the next little group who wants to be offended by something. Where will it end?

Over 400,000 people have signed a petition to have the Confederate flag removed from the South Carolina State Capitol. That's not a little group.

I wonder how many of those folks are citizens of South Carolina.

I have no feelings at all towards the Confederate flag one way or the other,
just tired of the fruitless exercise of politically correct mental masturbation.

^This, exactly. And it will get worse with each victory the PC crowd wins.

It won't be long until WalMart will remove bacon from the shelves because it offends Muslims. That's when the fight will start!! :B_S

When we moved here from New York I had one neighbor who flew the Confederate flag. He was also the person who introduced me to the N word. I had never heard it before. I didn't like it and it affected me. In school the story of Martin Luther King Jr affected me. When I grew up and started to read books about the civil rights movement and slavery, it affected me. Its been something that I've felt strongly about most of my life. For some of us, its not a PC bandwagon to jump on. For some of us, we've learned enough and empathized enough to know about and truly believe that removing the Confederate flag from flying over a state capital is the right thing to do.

Why?

I strongly support everything MLK did. The current regime not so much.

Why what?

Why does that flag affect you?

The flag itself doesn't affect me. I feel like removing the flag from the South Carolina state capitol building, as well as other capitol buildings is the right thing to do because a large population of Americans find it offensive. I assume some find it offensive for the reason it was placed there to begin with.

Again, does that "large population" live in South Carolina?

Does it matter? And yes, I'm sure there are plenty of south Carolina residents who would like to see it go.

 

[Madea]

Yes. It does matter. Do you want your neighbors deciding what can go on in your house?

 

[jenilyn]

Yes. It does matter. Do you want your neighbors deciding what can go on in your house?

I never said people shouldn't have the right to fly the flag. I simply don't agree with flying it over government buildings. People can decorate their entire houses and bodies with the flag if they wish. More power to them. If businesses choose not to sell the merchandise, that's their right. This is America. I'm not looking to keep anyone from exercising their rights.