Take Down the Flag?

[stradial]

In this instance, specifically, not what else or what is next, this instance, would it harm anyone to take down the flag? No. Will it change the history behind it? No. Will it stop racism? No. Will it make a large number of people happy/comfortable/at peace in knowing that the country made a stand against something that now symbolizes racism? That answer I do believe is yes. It might just be a symbolic gesture, but with all we have witnessed in the news lately, is it really one that would hurt? I understand the history, I do think it should be in museums, it has a rightful place there. I have never had a strong feeling either way on that flag, but I have been swayed by StRadial and his very good points to realize it is time to put it away. As for all the stores jumping on to not sell the flag? :dunno Maybe it is just their gesture at peace for our country.

Will it hurt? Probably not. But it could set a precedent.

But my concern is that is will fuel the next little group who wants to be offended by something. Where will it end?

This is what I asked quite a few pages ago? Where will it end?

Here's the deal.
Where it ends, don't know.
But you can't fight for right, when you're wrong.
That's my point, the governments should have handled this issue on their own, years ago.

The GA flag was changed in 56 to protest the integration of the schools.
That was wrong and it should have been and was corrected.
Now I wasn't happy with the way it was corrected, but it was corrected.
Hell, it's hard to defend a flag that hasn't even been around as long as some of the people on this board.
(excluding LTD, after all, the Roman Centurion's flags are newer than LTD)

I am all for not giving into the extreme minority.
But two things.
1. As noted, the people who saw that flag as representing something other than what it is, are not the minority.
2. Since SC started flying it in response to civil rights, the motive behind it was also tainted.
Just as the 1956 change to the GA flag was made with bad motives.

Fight for what's right, when it's right.
But to fight for something that was done for the wrong reasons, is IMO, a bad fight.
(again, not to mention how people see that flag today)

All that happens when you fight something just so someone else doesn't win, no matter what is the right thing to do, is to lose, even if you win.

Just my thoughts.
Ohhhhh, and once again, the Southern Cross flag does not mean hate it intolerance to me personally.
One of the things that really....whizes me off is that those hate groups have taken something that should be held with reverence (why? because so many have their lives doing their duty following that banner) and have pervereted it so badly that it no longer stands for what it should.

 

[Guard Dad]

In this instance, specifically, not what else or what is next, this instance, would it harm anyone to take down the flag? No. Will it change the history behind it? No. Will it stop racism? No. Will it make a large number of people happy/comfortable/at peace in knowing that the country made a stand against something that now symbolizes racism? That answer I do believe is yes. It might just be a symbolic gesture, but with all we have witnessed in the news lately, is it really one that would hurt? I understand the history, I do think it should be in museums, it has a rightful place there. I have never had a strong feeling either way on that flag, but I have been swayed by StRadial and his very good points to realize it is time to put it away. As for all the stores jumping on to not sell the flag? :dunno Maybe it is just their gesture at peace for our country.

Will it hurt? Probably not. But it could set a precedent.

But my concern is that is will fuel the next little group who wants to be offended by something. Where will it end?

Over 400,000 people have signed a petition to have the Confederate flag removed from the South Carolina State Capitol. That's not a little group.

But how many people actually started it?

 

[jenilyn]

In this instance, specifically, not what else or what is next, this instance, would it harm anyone to take down the flag? No. Will it change the history behind it? No. Will it stop racism? No. Will it make a large number of people happy/comfortable/at peace in knowing that the country made a stand against something that now symbolizes racism? That answer I do believe is yes. It might just be a symbolic gesture, but with all we have witnessed in the news lately, is it really one that would hurt? I understand the history, I do think it should be in museums, it has a rightful place there. I have never had a strong feeling either way on that flag, but I have been swayed by StRadial and his very good points to realize it is time to put it away. As for all the stores jumping on to not sell the flag? :dunno Maybe it is just their gesture at peace for our country.

Will it hurt? Probably not. But it could set a precedent.

But my concern is that is will fuel the next little group who wants to be offended by something. Where will it end?

Over 400,000 people have signed a petition to have the Confederate flag removed from the South Carolina State Capitol. That's not a little group.

But how many people actually started it?

Started the petition? I can't really say how many started it. A group of people or maybe one person? The point is a lot of people agree.

Who started this national conversation? A racist coward who decided to kill 9 people because they have a different shade of skin.

 

[Guard Dad]

In this instance, specifically, not what else or what is next, this instance, would it harm anyone to take down the flag? No. Will it change the history behind it? No. Will it stop racism? No. Will it make a large number of people happy/comfortable/at peace in knowing that the country made a stand against something that now symbolizes racism? That answer I do believe is yes. It might just be a symbolic gesture, but with all we have witnessed in the news lately, is it really one that would hurt? I understand the history, I do think it should be in museums, it has a rightful place there. I have never had a strong feeling either way on that flag, but I have been swayed by StRadial and his very good points to realize it is time to put it away. As for all the stores jumping on to not sell the flag? :dunno Maybe it is just their gesture at peace for our country.

Will it hurt? Probably not. But it could set a precedent.

But my concern is that is will fuel the next little group who wants to be offended by something. Where will it end?

Over 400,000 people have signed a petition to have the Confederate flag removed from the South Carolina State Capitol. That's not a little group.

But how many people actually started it?

Started the petition? I can't really say how many started it. A group of people or maybe one person? The point is a lot of people agree.

Who started this national conversation? A racist coward who decided to kill 9 people because they have a different shade of skin.

It's fairly easy to get numbers of people to sign a petition. That doesn't mean that were bothered by it before someone told them they were bothered by it.

And yes, the guy who shot the people in that church was likely a racist. But it's much bigger than that...he was also either insane or evil. Most racists (on either side) don't go around shooting people.

 

[jenilyn]

In this instance, specifically, not what else or what is next, this instance, would it harm anyone to take down the flag? No. Will it change the history behind it? No. Will it stop racism? No. Will it make a large number of people happy/comfortable/at peace in knowing that the country made a stand against something that now symbolizes racism? That answer I do believe is yes. It might just be a symbolic gesture, but with all we have witnessed in the news lately, is it really one that would hurt? I understand the history, I do think it should be in museums, it has a rightful place there. I have never had a strong feeling either way on that flag, but I have been swayed by StRadial and his very good points to realize it is time to put it away. As for all the stores jumping on to not sell the flag? :dunno Maybe it is just their gesture at peace for our country.

Will it hurt? Probably not. But it could set a precedent.

But my concern is that is will fuel the next little group who wants to be offended by something. Where will it end?

Over 400,000 people have signed a petition to have the Confederate flag removed from the South Carolina State Capitol. That's not a little group.

But how many people actually started it?

Started the petition? I can't really say how many started it. A group of people or maybe one person? The point is a lot of people agree.

Who started this national conversation? A racist coward who decided to kill 9 people because they have a different shade of skin.

It's fairly easy to get numbers of people to sign a petition. That doesn't mean that were bothered by it before someone told them they were bothered by it.

And yes, the guy who shot the people in that church was likely a racist. But it's much bigger than that...he was also either insane or evil. Most racists (on either side) don't go around shooting people.

I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Guard Dad]

In this instance, specifically, not what else or what is next, this instance, would it harm anyone to take down the flag? No. Will it change the history behind it? No. Will it stop racism? No. Will it make a large number of people happy/comfortable/at peace in knowing that the country made a stand against something that now symbolizes racism? That answer I do believe is yes. It might just be a symbolic gesture, but with all we have witnessed in the news lately, is it really one that would hurt? I understand the history, I do think it should be in museums, it has a rightful place there. I have never had a strong feeling either way on that flag, but I have been swayed by StRadial and his very good points to realize it is time to put it away. As for all the stores jumping on to not sell the flag? :dunno Maybe it is just their gesture at peace for our country.

Will it hurt? Probably not. But it could set a precedent.

But my concern is that is will fuel the next little group who wants to be offended by something. Where will it end?

Over 400,000 people have signed a petition to have the Confederate flag removed from the South Carolina State Capitol. That's not a little group.

But how many people actually started it?

Started the petition? I can't really say how many started it. A group of people or maybe one person? The point is a lot of people agree.

Who started this national conversation? A racist coward who decided to kill 9 people because they have a different shade of skin.

It's fairly easy to get numbers of people to sign a petition. That doesn't mean that were bothered by it before someone told them they were bothered by it.

And yes, the guy who shot the people in that church was likely a racist. But it's much bigger than that...he was also either insane or evil. Most racists (on either side) don't go around shooting people.

I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree.

And that is OK.

 

[J-man]

The bottom line is whether or not the Confederate flag is removed it will make zero...repeat...zero difference in racial tensions in this country. Certain political parties and special interest groups will ensure racial issue continue to strive, it's in the best interest to do so.

 

[stradial]

The bottom line is whether or not the Confederate flag is removed it will make zero...repeat...zero difference in racial tensions in this country. Certain political parties and special interest groups will ensure racial issue continue to strive, it's in the best interest to do so.

I don't disagree with that.

 

[Boss 302]

The bottom line is whether or not the Confederate flag is removed it will make zero...repeat...zero difference in racial tensions in this country. Certain political parties and special interest groups will ensure racial issue continue to strive, it's in the best interest to do so.

One in particular that calls themselves their "friend." They also call themselves the friend of the working class.

 

[honeybunny]

"A thing is just a thing not what is said of that thing."



- Birdman

 

[J-man]

If one has racial issues in their heart, or on their mind, no thing (or lack of a thing) will erase it. There are many who benefit emotionally (and some monetarily) to continue being offended. There are laws already on the books to deal with outright racism and bigotry. We are not the same country from 100 years, or even 50 years ago. Attempting to erase history, especially subjectively interpreted history, will accomplish nothing. If fact, I'll go on record to say such action would only stoke the coals already burning.

 

[J-man]

Well it looks like Alabama has finally solved all of their racial issues. Gov. Robert Bentley has ordered all Confederate flags removed from the state Capitol grounds. Whewwww, it's about time we close the door and put the final nail in the coffin of Alabama racism. Now if all other states will just follow suit we can get on with life in a bubble.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/24/alabama-governor-orders-confederate-flags-removed-from-state-capitol-grounds/

 

[ShoeDiva]

Well it looks like Alabama has finally solved all of their racial issues. Gov. Robert Bentley has ordered all Confederate flags removed from the state Capitol grounds. Whewwww, it's about time we close the door and put the final nail in the coffin of Alabama racism. Now if all other states will just follow suit we can get on with life in a bubble.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/24/alabama-governor-orders-confederate-flags-removed-from-state-capitol-grounds/

Hey now, I like my bubble and rose colored glasses. :taunt

 

[Boss 302]

Well it looks like Alabama has finally solved all of their racial issues. Gov. Robert Bentley has ordered all Confederate flags removed from the state Capitol grounds. Whewwww, it's about time we close the door and put the final nail in the coffin of Alabama racism. Now if all other states will just follow suit we can get on with life in a bubble.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/24/alabama-governor-orders-confederate-flags-removed-from-state-capitol-grounds/

How about that? Racism is now officially over in Alabama. :CLAP :CLAP :CLAP

 

[Stellarvore]

I draw my line at removing things because people might be offended. I don't support banning anything, and if someone wants to fly a Nazi flag, or some other country's flag, or plaster there car with anti-white people slogans, or be in a hate group....that's fine. Doesn't hurt me. I can like the Confederate flag and simultaneously not be in the Klan. And there is a guy with kill whitey stuff all over his car...it's a snakeskin wrapped Prius, he goes to my gym. Now, I don't care about the stickers, so long as he doesn't bother me about MY stickers. But I can't understand how anyone who drives a Prius calls themselves a man. stirthepot2


I do support what the Confederate Flag stands for, and no, I'm not talking about racism. So what if I'm not a native southerner.

Also, it pisses off Obama and his supporters, so it's worth it.

 

[Guard Dad]

Looks like Deal will do what he does best...straddle the fence

http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local/deal-will-revise-not-remove-confederate-flag-from-/nmjww/#3973558d.3564794.735773

 

[Stellarvore]

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/banned-iconic-dukes-of-hazzard-car-general-lee-stripped-of-confederate-flag-this-is-a-new-level-of-p-c-idiocy_06242015

Well, there goes the General Lee...

 

[Guard Dad]

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/banned-iconic-dukes-of-hazzard-car-general-lee-stripped-of-confederate-flag-this-is-a-new-level-of-p-c-idiocy_06242015

Well, there goes the General Lee...

That's getting crazy!

 

[J-man]

And I hate to say it but I WAS RIGHT!!! Here we go, now we're banning school mascots and fight songs:

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-to-ban-rebel-mascot-and-dixie-fight-song.html

The next time someone tells me they're being racially offended I'm going to punch them in the face so they can know exactly what it feels like, maybe then they'll stop calling all this other non-sense offensive.

 

[J-man]

This is a good article related not just to removing the Confederate flag from the General Lee but about the cultural cleansing taking place in our country right now, all while ISIS is doing the same thing in the Middle East. Think about that for a few minutes, let that little nugget sink in. Our people better wake up before it's too late, it's only a matter of time before they come after something important to you.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/06/24/todd-starnes-islamic-state-has-been-doing-some-cultural-cleansing-too