Same-Sex Marriage and Free Exercise

[stradial]

Diva - There are millions of documented cases of people having sex with animals. Using the same rational you are with same-sex animals doing it; does this mean bestiality is normal and natural? Should these cases he used in court to overturn anti-bestiality laws?

You still have not answered my questions...I will wait and answer yours until then.

What question?

:huh Go back a few posts.
I will be back later.

About only humans having sex for pleasure? That's been somewhat of an accepted theory for a long time. Granted...some more recent opinions are that the more intelligent animals such as monkeys and dolphins do too, but some of these opinions also reek of agenda. Modern scientific theory is so influenced by the money trail, it's insane!

Anyway...you should google that one up and read for yourself. The thought it was based on is that animals have sex only because of the primal urges to procreate. The fact that they primarily do it at certain times (mating season, female ovulation, etc) tends to support this. Humans have sex for pleasure, as well as for reproduction. Well, most of us do anyway.

And the other of us, well, we join the monastery.

You're on roll.

 

[Boss 302]

No, God didn't create sin, he just allows it. God created a being capable of making choices and thinking for himself.

Animals don't actually have homosexual tendencies, that is a myth. Being that they don't reason as we do, they often mistakenly sex whatever feels good at the time. But all they feel is sexual urges, not attraction as we do. So no, that doesn't hold water. God gave us feelings and emotions, he gave us pleasurable senses. He gave us wants and needs. These are the kinds of things that bring desires and temptations. If he had wanted robots, he would have made us such.

As for choice... I won't deny that some men are more feminine that others, or some women are more masculine that others. So I don't discounts same-sex attractions. But everything we do is a choice. We've all been tempted to steal at times, even is we chose not to. We've all been tempted to lie, and we all probably have. It's part of our humanity. We've all been sexually tempted, even if we didn't follow through on it.

So yeah, everything is a choice.

Not factual. Based on the scientific facts (though do to many observing it forever but not actually recording it for various reasonings, animal homosexuality has only been truly studied since the 90's) animals do mate with the same sex animals for various reasons, dominance, boredom, the prison effect, BUT many do mate for life (or extended periods) with the same sex.
There are numerous blogs, papers, etc from many conservative groups trying to say it is false, but those are based on opinions, some facts, and biased by religion.
The studies showing animal homosexuality have even been used in court cases to overturn sodomy laws.
P.S. I wrote more but the board ate my post. :rant But this was the gist of it. )

Studies with agendas.

The general consensus is that only humans have sex for pleasure. Anytime you see animals in nature having sex with the same gender, it is no different than your dog humping your leg or a pillow. It's a primal urge that they are following, and sometimes it's with who or what is handy. But it does not qualify as homosexuality.

Everything I have read about dogs humping your leg or a dog of the same sex was to establish dominance and had nothing to do with sex. It's not surprising to see some people claiming the dog is gay as it they say so to push their agenda.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Everything I have read about dogs humping your leg or a dog of the same sex was to establish dominance and had nothing to do with sex. It's not surprising to see some people claiming the dog is gay as it they say so to push their agenda.

Scientific study. Not everything is based on an agenda. Some of these studies started in the late 80's/early 90's. What agendas were they pushing?
As I stated before, some of these studies were even used to overturn sodomy laws, and not in California, but places like Texas. (off the top of my head) (oh and I mentioned some of the same sex instances with animals does include dominance, jsyk)
I just do not get why some are so hardheaded that if there is any evidence presented that gay is not a choice they start with "agenda." Maybe it is not agenda but studies based on years of scientific research.
P.S. I am not just directing this just at Boss, though I quoted him. (If I delete his quote I am afraid my whole post will delete!) It is in general with groups of people.
PS2 I am not saying that there are not agenda based studies, we all know there are, but not ALL are, and if studies keep coming up with the same answers, maybe you could consider it is right and not agenda based.

 

[LisaC]

My theory: It's only a study with an "agenda" when it says something a group of folks disagree with...

 

[Guard Dad]

My theory: It's only a study with an "agenda" when it says something a group of folks disagree with...

What about the Bible? Is it only God's word when you agree with it?

 

[Boss 302]

Everything I have read about dogs humping your leg or a dog of the same sex was to establish dominance and had nothing to do with sex. It's not surprising to see some people claiming the dog is gay as it they say so to push their agenda.

Scientific study. Not everything is based on an agenda. Some of these studies started in the late 80's/early 90's. What agendas were they pushing?
As I stated before, some of these studies were even used to overturn sodomy laws, and not in California, but places like Texas. (off the top of my head) (oh and I mentioned some of the same sex instances with animals does include dominance, jsyk)
I just do not get why some are so hardheaded that if there is any evidence presented that gay is not a choice they start with "agenda." Maybe it is not agenda but studies based on years of scientific research.
P.S. I am not just directing this just at Boss, though I quoted him. (If I delete his quote I am afraid my whole post will delete!) It is in general with groups of people.
PS2 I am not saying that there are not agenda based studies, we all know there are, but not ALL are, and if studies keep coming up with the same answers, maybe you could consider it is right and not agenda based.

What you're saying is the studies showing male dogs hump male dogs and female dogs humping female dogs as a means of establishing dominance over the other are now wrong. I had a female German Shepherd that would hump my male black lab. She did it to establish dominance over him, but the studies you want to use would suggest she was a transgender male. Now that right there is funny as hell.

 

[honeybunny]

I once had a gay cat named Oscar.



:whistle

 

[J-man]

Interesting that we go down the path of scientific studies. How can one balance the notion of one being born gay with the scientific theory of Natural Selection? For those who chose to ignore scripture (man's interpretation of the Word) and instead rely on man's scientific studies this notion runs counter to scientifically acceptable principles of the ongoing survival of a species. According to the principles of Natural Selection, [font=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]"The inferior (disadvantaged) members of the same species would gradually die out, leaving only the superior (advantaged) members of the species.[/font]"

 

[stradial]

I love to "argue" religious stuff with my mom.
She always falls back on "God says", using the bible as her reference for what "God says".
Now if she said, "This is what I understand, or believe, God says", the we could have a discussion.
But when someone pulls the old "God says", that's when I start having fun.
I tell my mother that "God says" the opposite of whatever my mother said.
I tell her that God and I talked and he told me to tell her she was wrong.
She used to get all fired up, but now she just shakes her head and tells me I better watch it.

The truth of the matter is that no one of us knows for sure what "God says", we know what we believe to be true in our hearts and spirit, at this time, but no one knows for sure if that is truly what "God says".
Except perhaps those who have passed on.

As human beings, that is the best that anyone of us can do.

 

[mei lan]

I am so bored with this conversation. fftosortmysockdrawer:

 

[stradial]

I am so bored with this conversation. fftosortmysockdrawer:

For goodness sakes, don't put the same two socks together, that ain't natural.

 

[LisaC]

GD: I never said that the Bible was a study. I was making reference to all of the comments about various studies and your comment about folks having an "agenda."

My agenda: I still can't quote so y'all are just going to have to go back to see this part of the conversation.

 

[Guard Dad]

GD: I never said that the Bible was a study. I was making reference to all of the comments about various studies and your comment about folks having an "agenda."

My agenda: I still can't quote so y'all are just going to have to go back to see this part of the conversation.

I'm just curious how a Bible believing Christian can support same-sex marriage. I might be wrong, but it seems that you do.

 

[stradial]

GD: I never said that the Bible was a study. I was making reference to all of the comments about various studies and your comment about folks having an "agenda."

My agenda: I still can't quote so y'all are just going to have to go back to see this part of the conversation.

I'm just curious how a Bible believing Christian can support same-sex marriage. I might be wrong, but it seems that you do.

I do.
I am worried it is a slippery slope, but I think that homosexuals should be allowed to have the same misery.....I mean happiness, as heterosexuals.

 

[ShoeDiva]

What you're saying is the studies showing male dogs hump male dogs and female dogs humping female dogs as a means of establishing dominance over the other are now wrong. I had a female German Shepherd that would hump my male black lab. She did it to establish dominance over him, but the studies you want to use would suggest she was a transgender male. Now that right there is funny as hell.

) I am stating there are studies worth looking at and that those studies don't all have to have an agenda. I know that I can be open minded enough to believe those studies could be the beginning of showing what I believe to be true; God did not make a mistake and some people are born gay. I still go back to bible interpretation and the meanings that were given to some words. I do not think God was wrong, I do not think the people that wrote Gods word were wrong, I do believe that in translating that word some is not as intended. (Pst..I have backup on that too with biblical scholars disagreeing on certain passages . ) Eh, eventually we will all know.

 

[ShoeDiva]

GD: I never said that the Bible was a study. I was making reference to all of the comments about various studies and your comment about folks having an "agenda."

My agenda: I still can't quote so y'all are just going to have to go back to see this part of the conversation.

I'm just curious how a Bible believing Christian can support same-sex marriage. I might be wrong, but it seems that you do.

:cantbelievemyeyes :girlsaysno :Stick :Stick :Stick

 

[ShoeDiva]

I once had a gay cat named Oscar.



:whistle

I remember you mentioning that! :thumbsup

 

[LisaC]

So now my beliefs are in question... :spitchick :spitchick :spitchick :spitchick

Wow, this is getting good. What else do you wanna say about me?

 

[J-man]

GD: I never said that the Bible was a study. I was making reference to all of the comments about various studies and your comment about folks having an "agenda."

My agenda: I still can't quote so y'all are just going to have to go back to see this part of the conversation.

I'm just curious how a Bible believing Christian can support same-sex marriage. I might be wrong, but it seems that you do.

I do.
I am worried it is a slippery slope, but I think that homosexuals should be allowed to have the same misery.....I mean happiness, as heterosexuals.

That's really our secret agenda (married heterosexuals), we want everyone to think our grass is greener so everyone else want's to join us. Only they soon find out how miserable happy we are. Seriously though, I do find it comical to hear the complaining when gays couples "divorce." Welcome to our world, especially to the "man" in the relationship. Enjoy working two jobs and giving away half your pay while rarely seeing your kid. That's the reality of the privilege many white males get to enjoy today.

 

[stradial]

GD: I never said that the Bible was a study. I was making reference to all of the comments about various studies and your comment about folks having an "agenda."

My agenda: I still can't quote so y'all are just going to have to go back to see this part of the conversation.

I'm just curious how a Bible believing Christian can support same-sex marriage. I might be wrong, but it seems that you do.

I do.
I am worried it is a slippery slope, but I think that homosexuals should be allowed to have the same misery.....I mean happiness, as heterosexuals.

That's really our secret agenda (married heterosexuals), we want everyone to think our grass is greener so everyone else want's to join us. Only they soon find out how miserable happy we are. Seriously though, I do find it comical to hear the complaining when gays couples "divorce." Welcome to our world, especially to the "man" in the relationship. Enjoy working two jobs and giving away half your pay while rarely seeing your kid. That's the reality of the privilege many white males get to enjoy today.

I figured that out when I was dating the wife and all my married friends were pushing me to get married.
I mean really pushing hard.
I now understand why.
They were so jealous of my playing cards when I wanted and for how much I wanted, my playing golf whenever I wanted, my sleeping late on the weekends and generally doing what I wanted when I wanted.

Now I that I am married and happier, I too put extreme pressure my unmarried friends to get hitched.
If I gotta be "happy", then I want everyone else to be just as " happy".