Same-Sex Marriage and Free Exercise

[honeybunny]

I support gay marriage and religious freedom.



:yeah

 

[ShoeDiva]

I support gay marriage and religious freedom.



:yeah

:thumbsup

 

[Grey Colson]

When the supreme court approves this madness. Not if, but when. We may scrape by, by the skin of our teeth this time but I'm not counting on it. But when that happens, I can't wait for the polygamist to start coming out of the wood work. To many fundamentalist Mormons, that is quite acceptable. Are we then going to "discriminate" against them?

How can anyone proclaim it's wrong or not acceptable when there IS nothing wrong or not acceptable without being called bigot or hater?

Maybe there is a hillbilly high in the mountains of East Tennessee that loves his sister and she loves him in a intimate relationship. I mean, who cares who loves who, right? How can you deny them the legal union of marriage. And you can't use the "it's not natural" argument when people suggest that a man + man or woman + woman union is "natural".

Don't forget about the goats. I mean there are some cute goats running around these days. I mean let's face it, if they're really in love then who are we to stop it or judge it. Surely nobody here would judge it. I've even heard of people being in love with a corpse, I draw the line at one point but who am I to say no. It's the exact same principle.

Then I believe we are all in agreement that anyone can marry anyone or anything, no matter age, previous relationship or number of legs. I mean, if your gonna do it....do it.

I have no clue what's being preached in some of the churches represented here and if some here are non-believers, then who would expect you to agree with anything written in God's word. But I can tell you that the pastors I have known spend no more time on homosexuality than they do on other subjects or sins.

I can't even recall the last sermon I heard about the specific issue. If you think gospel pastors constantly preach on the subject, that just tells me how often you actually attend, if at all. But if you are a Christian and berate others for simply repeating what is clearly written in His Word, you are not only calling the believer a bigot and hater, you are saying God is one as well. That's an issue you'll have to take up with Him.

And then there's the old "judgment" argument. It always comes in handy when it's a subject you disagree with. Being judgemental about an activity is far different than judging a person. But in either case, God has already judged the activity whether we like it or not. Again, if you are a non-believer, all this God talk is meaningless and I have no expectation of changing your mind. Non-believers opinion on the subject has no affect on your eternity one way or the other.

 

[ShoeDiva]

No, God didn't create sin, he just allows it. God created a being capable of making choices and thinking for himself.

Animals don't actually have homosexual tendencies, that is a myth. Being that they don't reason as we do, they often mistakenly sex whatever feels good at the time. But all they feel is sexual urges, not attraction as we do. So no, that doesn't hold water. God gave us feelings and emotions, he gave us pleasurable senses. He gave us wants and needs. These are the kinds of things that bring desires and temptations. If he had wanted robots, he would have made us such.

As for choice... I won't deny that some men are more feminine that others, or some women are more masculine that others. So I don't discounts same-sex attractions. But everything we do is a choice. We've all been tempted to steal at times, even is we chose not to. We've all been tempted to lie, and we all probably have. It's part of our humanity. We've all been sexually tempted, even if we didn't follow through on it.

So yeah, everything is a choice.

Not factual. Based on the scientific facts (though do to many observing it forever but not actually recording it for various reasonings, animal homosexuality has only been truly studied since the 90's) animals do mate with the same sex animals for various reasons, dominance, boredom, the prison effect, BUT many do mate for life (or extended periods) with the same sex.
There are numerous blogs, papers, etc from many conservative groups trying to say it is false, but those are based on opinions, some facts, and biased by religion.
The studies showing animal homosexuality have even been used in court cases to overturn sodomy laws.
P.S. I wrote more but the board ate my post. :rant But this was the gist of it. )

 

[Guard Dad]

No, God didn't create sin, he just allows it. God created a being capable of making choices and thinking for himself.

Animals don't actually have homosexual tendencies, that is a myth. Being that they don't reason as we do, they often mistakenly sex whatever feels good at the time. But all they feel is sexual urges, not attraction as we do. So no, that doesn't hold water. God gave us feelings and emotions, he gave us pleasurable senses. He gave us wants and needs. These are the kinds of things that bring desires and temptations. If he had wanted robots, he would have made us such.

As for choice... I won't deny that some men are more feminine that others, or some women are more masculine that others. So I don't discounts same-sex attractions. But everything we do is a choice. We've all been tempted to steal at times, even is we chose not to. We've all been tempted to lie, and we all probably have. It's part of our humanity. We've all been sexually tempted, even if we didn't follow through on it.

So yeah, everything is a choice.

Not factual. Based on the scientific facts (though do to many observing it forever but not actually recording it for various reasonings, animal homosexuality has only been truly studied since the 90's) animals do mate with the same sex animals for various reasons, dominance, boredom, the prison effect, BUT many do mate for life (or extended periods) with the same sex.
There are numerous blogs, papers, etc from many conservative groups trying to say it is false, but those are based on opinions, some facts, and biased by religion.
The studies showing animal homosexuality have even been used in court cases to overturn sodomy laws.
P.S. I wrote more but the board ate my post. :rant But this was the gist of it. )

Studies with agendas.

The general consensus is that only humans have sex for pleasure. Anytime you see animals in nature having sex with the same gender, it is no different than your dog humping your leg or a pillow. It's a primal urge that they are following, and sometimes it's with who or what is handy. But it does not qualify as homosexuality.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Studies with agendas.

The general consensus is that only humans have sex for pleasure. Anytime you see animals in nature having sex with the same gender, it is no different than your dog humping your leg or a pillow. It's a primal urge that they are following, and sometimes it's with who or what is handy. But it does not qualify as homosexuality.

:girlsaysno
So it is a agenda if a scientist proves homosexuality exists in animals? But not an agenda for those frantically trying to disprove it? (not saying you, just that when the different scientists started mentioning it there was a scramble, it seemed, for many to try to debunk their research.)
What general consensus?
What about the proof of mating for years? Heck, longer than some heterosexual couples. )

 

[Guard Dad]

Studies with agendas.

The general consensus is that only humans have sex for pleasure. Anytime you see animals in nature having sex with the same gender, it is no different than your dog humping your leg or a pillow. It's a primal urge that they are following, and sometimes it's with who or what is handy. But it does not qualify as homosexuality.

:girlsaysno
So it is a agenda if a scientist proves homosexuality exists in animals? But not an agenda for those frantically trying to disprove it? (not saying you, just that when the different scientists started mentioning it there was a scramble, it seemed, for many to try to debunk their research.)
What general consensus?
What about the proof of mating for years? Heck, longer than some heterosexual couples. )

Since the definition of "mating" is sexual pairing for genetic reproduction; how can same-sex couples of any species "mate"?

 

[ShoeDiva]

Studies with agendas.

The general consensus is that only humans have sex for pleasure. Anytime you see animals in nature having sex with the same gender, it is no different than your dog humping your leg or a pillow. It's a primal urge that they are following, and sometimes it's with who or what is handy. But it does not qualify as homosexuality.

:girlsaysno
So it is a agenda if a scientist proves homosexuality exists in animals? But not an agenda for those frantically trying to disprove it? (not saying you, just that when the different scientists started mentioning it there was a scramble, it seemed, for many to try to debunk their research.)
What general consensus?
What about the proof of mating for years? Heck, longer than some heterosexual couples. )

Since the definition of "mating" is sexual pairing for genetic reproduction; how can same-sex couples of any species "mate"?

Semantics/deflection. 3 questions asked and you respond with a different question and no answers.

 

[Guard Dad]

Diva - There are millions of documented cases of people having sex with animals. Using the same rational you are with same-sex animals doing it; does this mean bestiality is normal and natural? Should these cases he used in court to overturn anti-bestiality laws?

 

[J-man]

I'll make this simple. There are exceptions and freaks of nature in the animal kingdom. Eventually, over time, those species normally die out or are dominated by a stronger rival species.

 

[I'm Floored]

Mark this topic as number 2 I need to find time to come back into to post....

 

[honeybunny]

Careful y'all there is a very slippery slope ahead...



:girlsaysno

 

[ShoeDiva]

Diva - There are millions of documented cases of people having sex with animals. Using the same rational you are with same-sex animals doing it; does this mean bestiality is normal and natural? Should these cases he used in court to overturn anti-bestiality laws?

You still have not answered my questions...I will wait and answer yours until then.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I'll make this simple. There are exceptions and freaks of nature in the animal kingdom. Eventually, over time, those species normally die out or are dominated by a stronger rival species.

Did God make those exceptions? I believe so, and I do not believe those exceptions are mistakes.

 

[Guard Dad]

Diva - There are millions of documented cases of people having sex with animals. Using the same rational you are with same-sex animals doing it; does this mean bestiality is normal and natural? Should these cases he used in court to overturn anti-bestiality laws?

You still have not answered my questions...I will wait and answer yours until then.

What question?

 

[J-man]

Are they the result of the evolution of a species which chose an unnatural course?

 

[ShoeDiva]

Diva - There are millions of documented cases of people having sex with animals. Using the same rational you are with same-sex animals doing it; does this mean bestiality is normal and natural? Should these cases he used in court to overturn anti-bestiality laws?

You still have not answered my questions...I will wait and answer yours until then.

What question?

:huh Go back a few posts.
I will be back later.

 

[honeybunny]

Are they the result of the evolution of a species which chose an unnatural course?

I'm pretty sure gay people are the result of man + woman = procreation.

 

[Guard Dad]

Diva - There are millions of documented cases of people having sex with animals. Using the same rational you are with same-sex animals doing it; does this mean bestiality is normal and natural? Should these cases he used in court to overturn anti-bestiality laws?

You still have not answered my questions...I will wait and answer yours until then.

What question?

:huh Go back a few posts.
I will be back later.

About only humans having sex for pleasure? That's been somewhat of an accepted theory for a long time. Granted...some more recent opinions are that the more intelligent animals such as monkeys and dolphins do too, but some of these opinions also reek of agenda. Modern scientific theory is so influenced by the money trail, it's insane!

Anyway...you should google that one up and read for yourself. The thought it was based on is that animals have sex only because of the primal urges to procreate. The fact that they primarily do it at certain times (mating season, female ovulation, etc) tends to support this. Humans have sex for pleasure, as well as for reproduction. Well, most of us do anyway.

 

[J-man]

Diva - There are millions of documented cases of people having sex with animals. Using the same rational you are with same-sex animals doing it; does this mean bestiality is normal and natural? Should these cases he used in court to overturn anti-bestiality laws?

You still have not answered my questions...I will wait and answer yours until then.

What question?

:huh Go back a few posts.
I will be back later.

About only humans having sex for pleasure? That's been somewhat of an accepted theory for a long time. Granted...some more recent opinions are that the more intelligent animals such as monkeys and dolphins do too, but some of these opinions also reek of agenda. Modern scientific theory is so influenced by the money trail, it's insane!

Anyway...you should google that one up and read for yourself. The thought it was based on is that animals have sex only because of the primal urges to procreate. The fact that they primarily do it at certain times (mating season, female ovulation, etc) tends to support this. Humans have sex for pleasure, as well as for reproduction. Well, most of us do anyway.

And the other of us, well, we join the monastery.