Roswell St Baptist Church

[J-man]

I'm sure not one church is "pushing the kids" out of their congregation. I have no doubt that the doors remain wide open for the kids to continue participating in Sunday school, VBS, or any other church related activity. People who do not support their church's decision to pull their BSA support are free to find a new house of worship, just as churches are free to pull their support for any sponsored program, just as the BSA are free to change their policies. Blaming churches for hurting kids in this situation is similar to blaming guns for hurting people, the decision to push the BSA policy change being similar to the decision to point and shoot a loaded weapon. Had the weapon never been touched then nobody would have been injured.

 

[MamaHog]

Hopefully it gained a standing ovation, the church as a whole should be pleased that they stood firm in their christian values. There are many other outreach opportunities equally deserving of church support which do not risk dividing a congregation and destroying a church.

:goodjob I agree with this. Standing firm in your beliefs instead of being driven to the "socially acceptable" remains on of the last affirmations that we are indeed the land of the free. I don't fault Roswell Street Baptist Church or the BSA, they each have to do what they feel is in the best interest of their group.

I'm fine with RSBC cutting their ties with BSA, too bad others see them as the bad guys.

Ok, let me ask this then....NG, you say they need to stand firm in their beliefs, are you going to stand firm in your beliefs and step back from the BSA?

 

[LisaC]

I had not heard of the clapping at Roswell St. I would hope any applause would be to show support for how a difficult situation was handled and not a malicious display. Since I wasn't there to see for myself, I'll refrain from judging.

Clapping is not an appropriate display either way in my opinion. Think about it, if you were a boy scout there, they announced the church would no longer be affiliated with the scouts, how would you feel when clapping started? Just saying, I am looking at this from the people that were impacted by the decision. I just do not see an outbreak of clapping as good or positive.

I only say that because clapping is a common thing in Baptist churches, not only to show appreciation for something like a song but also to show support for an action. EX: I have been in churches where the congregation clapped after passing approval for a building campaign or a mission project.

Well, the church failed on this "mission project." No applause should have happened.

My hubby and I discussed this last night because he said that our pastor is currently at the Southern Baptist Convention. Hubby said that he understands why the churches are pulling out and agrees with it to a certain extent, but he also sees how we will be pushing kids out of our churches who may not otherwise have any link to Jesus in their lives. This is just sad, this isn't something to applaud.

How much Jesus do the children get from an organization who has endorsed homosexuality?

As J-Man said, these churches have stood firm on their Biblical values. I genuinely hope they did it in a loving manner, but maybe some individuals didn't. There are some in every church, I'd be willing to bet your church has them too.

Watering down God's word is not the way to get kids in church.

First, I do believe that the Boy Scouts pledge to honor God (or something like that). As NG pointed out, the churches have little or no contact with the troop other than giving them a place to meet, the churches ARE inviting these kids into God's house. Does that mean they are endorsing homosexuality? NO. Does it mean they are endorsing lying, cheating, stealing, swearing, divorce, or any type of sexual behavior? NO. But it does mean that they provide a safe place for the kids to meet. Kids remember when folks and places are nice to them - it sets an example. If you show them they are not welcome in your church, then they will also remember that.


But, I have a question for you. How is welcoming a homosexual in your church watering down God's word? The way to get kids in church, especially those with unchurched parents, is to make them feel welcome and not condemned.

 

[LisaC]

I agree with the decision. The church isn't the responsible party, it's the boy scouts. I don't sponsor things that I disagree with either. Ignorance didn't come into play here and I'm sure they put a lot of thought into this decision. Seems to me the scouts made the wrong decision because it conflicts with their sponsors.

Okay, BS - you agreed with Roswell Street's decision - how is this going to affect your relationship with your church now that you know that they are going to continue to support the Boy Scouts? Or will it? :dunno

 

[naturegirl]

Hopefully it gained a standing ovation, the church as a whole should be pleased that they stood firm in their christian values. There are many other outreach opportunities equally deserving of church support which do not risk dividing a congregation and destroying a church.

:goodjob I agree with this. Standing firm in your beliefs instead of being driven to the "socially acceptable" remains on of the last affirmations that we are indeed the land of the free. I don't fault Roswell Street Baptist Church or the BSA, they each have to do what they feel is in the best interest of their group.

I'm fine with RSBC cutting their ties with BSA, too bad others see them as the bad guys.

Ok, let me ask this then....NG, you say they need to stand firm in their beliefs, are you going to stand firm in your beliefs and step back from the BSA?

What are you talking about?? I have always and still do support BSA.

 

[Guard Dad]

I had not heard of the clapping at Roswell St. I would hope any applause would be to show support for how a difficult situation was handled and not a malicious display. Since I wasn't there to see for myself, I'll refrain from judging.

Clapping is not an appropriate display either way in my opinion. Think about it, if you were a boy scout there, they announced the church would no longer be affiliated with the scouts, how would you feel when clapping started? Just saying, I am looking at this from the people that were impacted by the decision. I just do not see an outbreak of clapping as good or positive.

I only say that because clapping is a common thing in Baptist churches, not only to show appreciation for something like a song but also to show support for an action. EX: I have been in churches where the congregation clapped after passing approval for a building campaign or a mission project.

Well, the church failed on this "mission project." No applause should have happened.

My hubby and I discussed this last night because he said that our pastor is currently at the Southern Baptist Convention. Hubby said that he understands why the churches are pulling out and agrees with it to a certain extent, but he also sees how we will be pushing kids out of our churches who may not otherwise have any link to Jesus in their lives. This is just sad, this isn't something to applaud.

How much Jesus do the children get from an organization who has endorsed homosexuality?

As J-Man said, these churches have stood firm on their Biblical values. I genuinely hope they did it in a loving manner, but maybe some individuals didn't. There are some in every church, I'd be willing to bet your church has them too.

Watering down God's word is not the way to get kids in church.

First, I do believe that the Boy Scouts pledge to honor God (or something like that). As NG pointed out, the churches have little or no contact with the troop other than giving them a place to meet, the churches ARE inviting these kids into God's house. Does that mean they are endorsing homosexuality? NO. Does it mean they are endorsing lying, cheating, stealing, swearing, divorce, or any type of sexual behavior? NO. But it does mean that they provide a safe place for the kids to meet. Kids remember when folks and places are nice to them - it sets an example. If you show them they are not welcome in your church, then they will also remember that.


But, I have a question for you. How is welcoming a homosexual in your church watering down God's word? The way to get kids in church, especially those with unchurched parents, is to make them feel welcome and not condemned.

Then the Pledge is in conflict with the BSA's policy change.

 

[Sadie612]

the 90's song by Micheal W smith said it best

michael w.smith - love one another

my momma always told me to go out and be the light...not to put someone's light out( gay or straight)

 

[ShoeDiva]

How much Jesus do the children get from an organization who has endorsed homosexuality?

As J-Man said, these churches have stood firm on their Biblical values. I genuinely hope they did it in a loving manner, but maybe some individuals didn't. There are some in every church, I'd be willing to bet your church has them too.

Watering down God's word is not the way to get kids in church.

This was my issue when I posted today. They can do what they want, like it or not it is their decision, but when you make a spectacle of it, clapping, standing ovation, it seems over the top. :dunno Maybe that is what Baptists do, but it just seems out of place for a sanctuary and such a big decision that impacts many of the church members. It is not that they did it, that was very expected, it is the response of the church members and the pastor that took to Twitter about it. I just find it in bad taste and not a loving manner. (my opinion)

 

[MamaHog]

Hopefully it gained a standing ovation, the church as a whole should be pleased that they stood firm in their christian values. There are many other outreach opportunities equally deserving of church support which do not risk dividing a congregation and destroying a church.

:goodjob I agree with this. Standing firm in your beliefs instead of being driven to the "socially acceptable" remains on of the last affirmations that we are indeed the land of the free. I don't fault Roswell Street Baptist Church or the BSA, they each have to do what they feel is in the best interest of their group.

I'm fine with RSBC cutting their ties with BSA, too bad others see them as the bad guys.

Ok, let me ask this then....NG, you say they need to stand firm in their beliefs, are you going to stand firm in your beliefs and step back from the BSA?

What are you talking about?? I have always and still do support BSA.

All I was saying is that it seems like one minute you are saying you support the churches, agree with them standing firm in their beliefs and agreeing that homosexuality is a sin, and then you turn around and say you support the BSA regardless of their decision. I was just asking if , since you believe homosexuality is a sin, will you stand firm against it like you praised the churches for doing so.

 

[ShoeDiva]

the 90's song by Micheal W smith said it best

michael w.smith - love one another

my momma always told me to go out and be the light...not to put someone's light out( gay or straight)

Your momma is a smart (and funny) lady.

 

[naturegirl]

Hopefully it gained a standing ovation, the church as a whole should be pleased that they stood firm in their christian values. There are many other outreach opportunities equally deserving of church support which do not risk dividing a congregation and destroying a church.

:goodjob I agree with this. Standing firm in your beliefs instead of being driven to the "socially acceptable" remains on of the last affirmations that we are indeed the land of the free. I don't fault Roswell Street Baptist Church or the BSA, they each have to do what they feel is in the best interest of their group.

I'm fine with RSBC cutting their ties with BSA, too bad others see them as the bad guys.

Ok, let me ask this then....NG, you say they need to stand firm in their beliefs, are you going to stand firm in your beliefs and step back from the BSA?

What are you talking about?? I have always and still do support BSA.

All I was saying is that it seems like one minute you are saying you support the churches, agree with them standing firm in their beliefs and agreeing that homosexuality is a sin, and then you turn around and say you support the BSA regardless of their decision. I was just asking if , since you believe homosexuality is a sin, will you stand firm against it like you praised the churches for doing so.

I do agree with them standing firm in their beliefs and I completely understand why they are doing what they are. OTOH, I also understand why the BSA is doing what they are doing. It's okay to understand both sides, I shouldn't have to choose.

I have said many times, I have people that I love dearly that are homosexual. Some are very close relatives, you can love the sinner and hate the sin......saying so doesn't make anyone a homophobe. I could never lie down with a member of the same sex, but it's not my place to tell someone else they can't.

We're dealing with children, there is no sex in the scouting program period.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Re: Re: Roswell St Baptist Church

I agree with the decision. The church isn't the responsible party, it's the boy scouts. I don't sponsor things that I disagree with either. Ignorance didn't come into play here and I'm sure they put a lot of thought into this decision. Seems to me the scouts made the wrong decision because it conflicts with their sponsors.

Okay, BS - you agreed with Roswell Street's decision - how is this going to affect your relationship with your church now that you know that they are going to continue to support the Boy Scouts? Or will it? :dunno

It won't affect my relationship. Sometimes God uses different timing for others. If our church feels the need to continue their support, so be it. My personal convictions in this issue happen to fall closer in line with Roswell Street but that doesn't mean I am at odds with my church. God clearly shows He removes some people from situations while leaving others to fight the good fight.

To have people stand on biblical convictions and act when society says it's wrong is inspiring. This immoral act that is being flaunted in the face of Christians as being ok is just appalling. Why the homosexual community needs to be validated by Christians is sickening in itself and as a Christian, I'll always stand firm on sin and will never compromise but I'll will also see the offender as someone who is just like all of us as lost in their own sin and who needs Jesus Christ as their saviour from the damming convictions that will separate them from eternity with the Lord.

 

[LisaC]

Re: Re: Roswell St Baptist Church

I agree with the decision. The church isn't the responsible party, it's the boy scouts. I don't sponsor things that I disagree with either. Ignorance didn't come into play here and I'm sure they put a lot of thought into this decision. Seems to me the scouts made the wrong decision because it conflicts with their sponsors.

Okay, BS - you agreed with Roswell Street's decision - how is this going to affect your relationship with your church now that you know that they are going to continue to support the Boy Scouts? Or will it? :dunno

It won't affect my relationship. Sometimes God uses different timing for others. If our church feels the need to continue their support, so be it. My personal convictions in this issue happen to fall closer in line with Roswell Street but that doesn't mean I am at odds with my church. God clearly shows He removes some people from situations while leaving others to fight the good fight.

To have people stand on biblical convictions and act when society says it's wrong is inspiring. This immoral act that is being flaunted in the face of Christians as being ok is just appalling. Why the homosexual community needs to be validated by Christians is sickening in itself and add a Christian, I'll always stand firm on sin and will never compromise but I'll will also see the offender as someone who is just like all of us as lost in their own sin and who needs Jesus Christ as their saviour from the damming convictions that will separate them from eternity with the Lord.

I'm very glad to hear that - seriously. I know that you and I both have strong and somewhat differing beliefs on parts of this issue, but I am very happy to hear that it is not going to affect your relationship with your church. It's my belief that while we are not always going to agree with all of the decisions of our separate churches leadership, as long as the church is teaching the truth of the Bible and not excluding anyone from the opportunity to know Jesus, they are doing exactly what Christians have been asked to do. West Ridge has a great reputation in the community so I hope their stance sets the example for other churches in Paulding.

 

[lotstodo]

I just want to point out once again that none of the boys in troop 204 are homosexuals (at least to anyone's knowledge), and they are the ones directly injured by this decision. These are good boys. They have done nothing wrong or sinful, yet they are being turned away. That is the truth, no matter how you want to dress it up. A wise man (my father) once said that he who is most responsible for a damaging act is the one last able to prevent it. So, JMHO, they can blame it on the Heathen Homos and their PC corporate lackeys, but it is the Christian young men of 204 who are being taught a lesson that they won't forget, and I seriously doubt it is the lesson that RSBC thinks they are teaching.

It's a free country and both the BSA and RSBC are private organizations guaranteed by the Constitution the right to act like complete self righteous idiots if they so desire. It doesn't, however make it mandatory.

 

[naturegirl]

Re: Re: Roswell St Baptist Church

I agree with the decision. The church isn't the responsible party, it's the boy scouts. I don't sponsor things that I disagree with either. Ignorance didn't come into play here and I'm sure they put a lot of thought into this decision. Seems to me the scouts made the wrong decision because it conflicts with their sponsors.

Okay, BS - you agreed with Roswell Street's decision - how is this going to affect your relationship with your church now that you know that they are going to continue to support the Boy Scouts? Or will it? :dunno

It won't affect my relationship. Sometimes God uses different timing for others. If our church feels the need to continue their support, so be it. My personal convictions in this issue happen to fall closer in line with Roswell Street but that doesn't mean I am at odds with my church. God clearly shows He removes some people from situations while leaving others to fight the good fight.

To have people stand on biblical convictions and act when society says it's wrong is inspiring. This immoral act that is being flaunted in the face of Christians as being ok is just appalling. Why the homosexual community needs to be validated by Christians is sickening in itself and as a Christian, I'll always stand firm on sin and will never compromise but I'll will also see the offender as someone who is just like all of us as lost in their own sin and who needs Jesus Christ as their saviour from the damming convictions that will separate them from eternity with the Lord.

So is forcing homosexuality on someone the same as shoving religion down someone's throat? Seriously, I applaud the churches that realize this is kids we're talking about. In an environment where sexuality should never be an issue since it should be non-existent. If a boy and girl in a venture crew were caught doing something that was inappropriate, they would be asked to leave the scouting program. It will be no different if it is two people of the same sex.

I also applaud those that are standing firm in what they believe to be the right decision. What works for one group may not work for another and I'm okay with that. I have to do what I think God would want me to. And others have to as well. I guess if BS is expected to leave his church over this decision then so should LisaC and Mrs&MRJackRussell. It goes both ways.

 

[lotstodo]

Re: Re: Roswell St Baptist Church

I agree with the decision. The church isn't the responsible party, it's the boy scouts. I don't sponsor things that I disagree with either. Ignorance didn't come into play here and I'm sure they put a lot of thought into this decision. Seems to me the scouts made the wrong decision because it conflicts with their sponsors.

Okay, BS - you agreed with Roswell Street's decision - how is this going to affect your relationship with your church now that you know that they are going to continue to support the Boy Scouts? Or will it? :dunno

It won't affect my relationship. Sometimes God uses different timing for others. If our church feels the need to continue their support, so be it. My personal convictions in this issue happen to fall closer in line with Roswell Street but that doesn't mean I am at odds with my church. God clearly shows He removes some people from situations while leaving others to fight the good fight.

To have people stand on biblical convictions and act when society says it's wrong is inspiring. This immoral act that is being flaunted in the face of Christians as being ok is just appalling. Why the homosexual community needs to be validated by Christians is sickening in itself and as a Christian, I'll always stand firm on sin and will never compromise but I'll will also see the offender as someone who is just like all of us as lost in their own sin and who needs Jesus Christ as their saviour from the damming convictions that will separate them from eternity with the Lord.

So is forcing homosexuality on someone the same as shoving religion down someone's throat? Seriously, I applaud the churches that realize this is kids we're talking about. In an environment where sexuality should never be an issue since it should be non-existent. If a boy and girl in a venture crew were caught doing something that was inappropriate, they would be asked to leave the scouting program. It will be no different if it is two people of the same sex.

I also applaud those that are standing firm in what they believe to be the right decision. What works for one group may not work for another and I'm okay with that. I have to do what I think God would want me to. And others have to as well. I guess if BS is expected to leave his church over this decision then so should LisaC and Mrs&MRJackRussell. It goes both ways.

Wasn't it you who just said that there is no sex in the scouts? The problem is not the act, it's the proclivity. If there is no sex in scouts, then sexuality is, or should be, a non-issue. Forgive me if I am wrong, but doesn't Christ teach that we are all sinners? How is a homosexual boy any different from the married father of three in the second row on Sunday who is schtuping his secretary? Are they not both sinners? Does Christ council throwing him out of the building as well? Nobody can have it both ways, neither you nor I, nor RSBC. I always hear hate the sin but love the sinner. I guess that just goes for some sinners. They are picking the sinners they want off the property. It is certainly their right to do so, but I do not applaud either side. Excuse my French, but they are both acting like complete asshats. At least that's how it looks from here.

 

[LisaC]

Re: Re: Roswell St Baptist Church

I agree with the decision. The church isn't the responsible party, it's the boy scouts. I don't sponsor things that I disagree with either. Ignorance didn't come into play here and I'm sure they put a lot of thought into this decision. Seems to me the scouts made the wrong decision because it conflicts with their sponsors.

Okay, BS - you agreed with Roswell Street's decision - how is this going to affect your relationship with your church now that you know that they are going to continue to support the Boy Scouts? Or will it? :dunno

It won't affect my relationship. Sometimes God uses different timing for others. If our church feels the need to continue their support, so be it. My personal convictions in this issue happen to fall closer in line with Roswell Street but that doesn't mean I am at odds with my church. God clearly shows He removes some people from situations while leaving others to fight the good fight.

To have people stand on biblical convictions and act when society says it's wrong is inspiring. This immoral act that is being flaunted in the face of Christians as being ok is just appalling. Why the homosexual community needs to be validated by Christians is sickening in itself and as a Christian, I'll always stand firm on sin and will never compromise but I'll will also see the offender as someone who is just like all of us as lost in their own sin and who needs Jesus Christ as their saviour from the damming convictions that will separate them from eternity with the Lord.

So is forcing homosexuality on someone the same as shoving religion down someone's throat? Seriously, I applaud the churches that realize this is kids we're talking about. In an environment where sexuality should never be an issue since it should be non-existent. If a boy and girl in a venture crew were caught doing something that was inappropriate, they would be asked to leave the scouting program. It will be no different if it is two people of the same sex.

I also applaud those that are standing firm in what they believe to be the right decision. What works for one group may not work for another and I'm okay with that. I have to do what I think God would want me to. And others have to as well. I guess if BS is expected to leave his church over this decision then so should LisaC and Mrs&MRJackRussell. It goes both ways.

Actually, I never thought that BS would even entertain the thought of leaving West Ridge, even though I'm sure that this decision is one he disagrees with. I simply wanted his reaction to the decision.

As for me, if our pastor tells me that he agrees with the position that RSBC has taken and that he voted that way at the SBC, then, I will tell him my stance on it (although he likely knows since we've had the "gay Christian" discussion before). Even though we may disagree, I wouldn't leave our church over it - they're practically family (but not the crazy side of the family). Would I be happy with the decision? No. Would I voice my disagreement to the pastor and elders? Absolutely.

 

[LisaC]

Re: Re: Roswell St Baptist Church

I agree with the decision. The church isn't the responsible party, it's the boy scouts. I don't sponsor things that I disagree with either. Ignorance didn't come into play here and I'm sure they put a lot of thought into this decision. Seems to me the scouts made the wrong decision because it conflicts with their sponsors.

Okay, BS - you agreed with Roswell Street's decision - how is this going to affect your relationship with your church now that you know that they are going to continue to support the Boy Scouts? Or will it? :dunno

It won't affect my relationship. Sometimes God uses different timing for others. If our church feels the need to continue their support, so be it. My personal convictions in this issue happen to fall closer in line with Roswell Street but that doesn't mean I am at odds with my church. God clearly shows He removes some people from situations while leaving others to fight the good fight.

To have people stand on biblical convictions and act when society says it's wrong is inspiring. This immoral act that is being flaunted in the face of Christians as being ok is just appalling. Why the homosexual community needs to be validated by Christians is sickening in itself and as a Christian, I'll always stand firm on sin and will never compromise but I'll will also see the offender as someone who is just like all of us as lost in their own sin and who needs Jesus Christ as their saviour from the damming convictions that will separate them from eternity with the Lord.

So is forcing homosexuality on someone the same as shoving religion down someone's throat? Seriously, I applaud the churches that realize this is kids we're talking about. In an environment where sexuality should never be an issue since it should be non-existent. If a boy and girl in a venture crew were caught doing something that was inappropriate, they would be asked to leave the scouting program. It will be no different if it is two people of the same sex.

I also applaud those that are standing firm in what they believe to be the right decision. What works for one group may not work for another and I'm okay with that. I have to do what I think God would want me to. And others have to as well. I guess if BS is expected to leave his church over this decision then so should LisaC and Mrs&MRJackRussell. It goes both ways.

Wasn't it you who just said that there is no sex in the scouts? The problem is not the act, it's the proclivity. If there is no sex in scouts, then sexuality is, or should be, a non-issue. Forgive me if I am wrong, but doesn't Christ teach that we are all sinners? How is a homosexual boy any different from the married father of three in the second row on Sunday who is schtuping his secretary? Are they not both sinners? Does Christ council throwing him out of the building as well? Nobody can have it both ways, neither you nor I, nor RSBC. I always hear hate the sin but love the sinner. I guess that just goes for some sinners. They are picking the sinners they want off the property. It is certainly their right to do so, but I do not applaud either side. Excuse my French, but they are both acting like complete asshats. At least that's how it looks from here.

LTD: I flat out love you, my friend. :love :love :love :love :love :love :love :love

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Re: Re: Re: Roswell St Baptist Church

I agree with the decision. The church isn't the responsible party, it's the boy scouts. I don't sponsor things that I disagree with either. Ignorance didn't come into play here and I'm sure they put a lot of thought into this decision. Seems to me the scouts made the wrong decision because it conflicts with their sponsors.

Okay, BS - you agreed with Roswell Street's decision - how is this going to affect your relationship with your church now that you know that they are going to continue to support the Boy Scouts? Or will it? :dunno

It won't affect my relationship. Sometimes God uses different timing for others. If our church feels the need to continue their support, so be it. My personal convictions in this issue happen to fall closer in line with Roswell Street but that doesn't mean I am at odds with my church. God clearly shows He removes some people from situations while leaving others to fight the good fight.

To have people stand on biblical convictions and act when society says it's wrong is inspiring. This immoral act that is being flaunted in the face of Christians as being ok is just appalling. Why the homosexual community needs to be validated by Christians is sickening in itself and as a Christian, I'll always stand firm on sin and will never compromise but I'll will also see the offender as someone who is just like all of us as lost in their own sin and who needs Jesus Christ as their saviour from the damming convictions that will separate them from eternity with the Lord.

So is forcing homosexuality on someone the same as shoving religion down someone's throat? Seriously, I applaud the churches that realize this is kids we're talking about. In an environment where sexuality should never be an issue since it should be non-existent. If a boy and girl in a venture crew were caught doing something that was inappropriate, they would be asked to leave the scouting program. It will be no different if it is two people of the same sex.

I also applaud those that are standing firm in what they believe to be the right decision. What works for one group may not work for another and I'm okay with that. I have to do what I think God would want me to. And others have to as well. I guess if BS is expected to leave his church over this decision then so should LisaC and Mrs&MRJackRussell. It goes both ways.

Wasn't it you who just said that there is no sex in the scouts? The problem is not the act, it's the proclivity. If there is no sex in scouts, then sexuality is, or should be, a non-issue. Forgive me if I am wrong, but doesn't Christ teach that we are all sinners? How is a homosexual boy any different from the married father of three in the second row on Sunday who is schtuping his secretary? Are they not both sinners? Does Christ council throwing him out of the building as well? Nobody can have it both ways, neither you nor I, nor RSBC. I always hear hate the sin but love the sinner. I guess that just goes for some sinners. They are picking the sinners they want off the property. It is certainly their right to do so, but I do not applaud either side. Excuse my French, but they are both acting like complete asshats. At least that's how it looks from here.

sorry Ltd, I didn't say that. As to sin, it's all the same. Sin is sin.

 

[naturegirl]

Re: Re: Roswell St Baptist Church

I agree with the decision. The church isn't the responsible party, it's the boy scouts. I don't sponsor things that I disagree with either. Ignorance didn't come into play here and I'm sure they put a lot of thought into this decision. Seems to me the scouts made the wrong decision because it conflicts with their sponsors.

Okay, BS - you agreed with Roswell Street's decision - how is this going to affect your relationship with your church now that you know that they are going to continue to support the Boy Scouts? Or will it? :dunno

It won't affect my relationship. Sometimes God uses different timing for others. If our church feels the need to continue their support, so be it. My personal convictions in this issue happen to fall closer in line with Roswell Street but that doesn't mean I am at odds with my church. God clearly shows He removes some people from situations while leaving others to fight the good fight.

To have people stand on biblical convictions and act when society says it's wrong is inspiring. This immoral act that is being flaunted in the face of Christians as being ok is just appalling. Why the homosexual community needs to be validated by Christians is sickening in itself and as a Christian, I'll always stand firm on sin and will never compromise but I'll will also see the offender as someone who is just like all of us as lost in their own sin and who needs Jesus Christ as their saviour from the damming convictions that will separate them from eternity with the Lord.

So is forcing homosexuality on someone the same as shoving religion down someone's throat? Seriously, I applaud the churches that realize this is kids we're talking about. In an environment where sexuality should never be an issue since it should be non-existent. If a boy and girl in a venture crew were caught doing something that was inappropriate, they would be asked to leave the scouting program. It will be no different if it is two people of the same sex.

I also applaud those that are standing firm in what they believe to be the right decision. What works for one group may not work for another and I'm okay with that. I have to do what I think God would want me to. And others have to as well. I guess if BS is expected to leave his church over this decision then so should LisaC and Mrs&MRJackRussell. It goes both ways.

Wasn't it you who just said that there is no sex in the scouts? The problem is not the act, it's the proclivity. If there is no sex in scouts, then sexuality is, or should be, a non-issue. Forgive me if I am wrong, but doesn't Christ teach that we are all sinners? How is a homosexual boy any different from the married father of three in the second row on Sunday who is schtuping his secretary? Are they not both sinners? Does Christ council throwing him out of the building as well? Nobody can have it both ways, neither you nor I, nor RSBC. I always hear hate the sin but love the sinner. I guess that just goes for some sinners. They are picking the sinners they want off the property. It is certainly their right to do so, but I do not applaud either side. Excuse my French, but they are both acting like complete asshats. At least that's how it looks from here.

Dang internet, no facial expression. I think you know me enough to know I don't have a problem with anyone's sexuality, period. I have a problem with this being about sexuality. You said what I was trying to say. It should not be a problem for anyone, the church, it's members or the BSA. It should be a non-issue. Please understand no one would be thrown out because of their sexuality but because they would be engaging in something that was against the rules.

And yes if a leader was doing his secretary, he'd be asked to leave the program.