Roswell St Baptist Church

[Hankster]

This may have already been mentioned but.... Roswell St Baptist along with other Churches recently cut ties with the Boy Scout Troop that it has sponsored since 1945 due to the whole allowing gays thing. I myself think its wrong. I believe these churches are essentially screwing these kids, most of which have no idea what a queer is and why they are obviously so horrible that their own church would disown them. Great way to get future members and Christians, kick their asses out of the church. Its idiotic and petty if you ask me. The Boy Scouts were obviously dammed if they did and dammed if the did not in their gay decision.

 

[naturegirl]

This may have already been mentioned but.... Roswell St Baptist along with other Churches recently cut ties with the Boy Scout Troop that it has sponsored since 1945 due to the whole allowing gays thing. I myself think its wrong. I believe these churches are essentially screwing these kids, most of which have no idea what a queer is and why they are obviously so horrible that their own church would disown them. Great way to get future members and Christians, kick their asses out of the church. Its idiotic and petty if you ask me. The Boy Scouts were obviously dammed if they did and dammed if the did not in their gay decision.

Most people don't understand how this works. When a Church/Organization charters a unit they in essence become an arm of that chartering organization. If the church has a stance against something then the unit has to take that stance. The Church cannot charter a group that goes against it's doctrine.

It's sort of like breaking a law, do you think you'll get a job in law enforcement with even a misdemeanor marijuana conviction??

 

[Hankster]

This may have already been mentioned but.... Roswell St Baptist along with other Churches recently cut ties with the Boy Scout Troop that it has sponsored since 1945 due to the whole allowing gays thing. I myself think its wrong. I believe these churches are essentially screwing these kids, most of which have no idea what a queer is and why they are obviously so horrible that their own church would disown them. Great way to get future members and Christians, kick their asses out of the church. Its idiotic and petty if you ask me. The Boy Scouts were obviously dammed if they did and dammed if the did not in their gay decision.

Most people don't understand how this works. When a Church/Organization charters a unit they in essence become an arm of that chartering organization. If the church has a stance against something then the unit has to take that stance. The Church cannot charter a group that goes against it's doctrine.

It's sort of like breaking a law, do you think you'll get a job in law enforcement with even a misdemeanor marijuana conviction??

I'm not saying they didn't have the right to do it. I'm just saying its ignorant. I would be willing to bet that 98% of the kids in this troop are straight Christians and the church and pastor are screwing these kids that have the same beliefs they do. Oh well, I guess its not the first time a preacher screwed a kid.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I do feel bad for the kids.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

I agree with the decision. The church isn't the responsible party, it's the boy scouts. I don't sponsor things that I disagree with either. Ignorance didn't come into play here and I'm sure they put a lot of thought into this decision. Seems to me the scouts made the wrong decision because it conflicts with their sponsors.

 

[Hankster]

Yep, screw the kids. The children are the ones that made the decision huh? If a church said "No negroes allowed" would you all support that as the churches decision as well?

 

[naturegirl]

It is what it is, those leaders and our local council will find a chartered org that will support them. It's very sad but sometimes even kids need to realize rules are rules. If the adults follow them, perhaps they will be more likely to as they mature. I'm sure it was not an easy decision for RSBC to make, but do keep in mind the entire membership of the church had to agree on this. It's not just the pastor, most every Baptist church is revoking their charters.........

The kids will be fine, it's a teaching moment about acceptance and rules.

 

[Hankster]

I just think its funny that Churches pick and choose which sinners they support. They will spend money to go to prisons and on the streets to help rapists, murderers and druggy homeless. But, queers and innocent Christian children be dammed!!!!

 

[naturegirl]

I just think its funny that Churches pick and choose which sinners they support. They will spend money to go to prisons and on the streets to help rapists, murderers and druggy homeless. But, queers and innocent Christian children be dammed!!!!

Just continue to think that way, busting up the ideas of those that stand firm is not always a good thing. They have not turned their backs on children, they have turned their backs on the Adults of the BSA that made a decision that was not in their belief. They will continue to minister to all, including children and "queers" just not the BSA.

 

[Hankster]

I just think its funny that Churches pick and choose which sinners they support. They will spend money to go to prisons and on the streets to help rapists, murderers and druggy homeless. But, queers and innocent Christian children be dammed!!!!

Just continue to think that way, busting up the ideas of those that stand firm is not always a good thing. They have not turned their backs on children, they have turned their backs on the Adults of the BSA that made a decision that was not in their belief. They will continue to minister to all, including children and "queers" just not the BSA.

Again, pick and choose your sinners. "They will continue to minister to all, including women and queers just not the BSA". Am I the only one that goes to a church that doesn't have a large neon sign that reads "No Sinners Allowed" or sinner and non sinner drinking fountains?

 

[unionmom]

It's another example of what I find so trouble with so many institutions in organized religion. I always thought the idea was to find the "troubled souls" and bring them to Christ ... not judge them and cast them aside. Is this not a great opportunity to try to help reach these young souls? A way to help these young Christians? And I wonder how many gays they even had in their Pack/Troop? Thankfully another church already stepped up and gave them a new home.


BSA is reporting only 5% of their Charter Orgs have left. Kudos to the other 95%.

 

[Hankster]

It's another example of what I find so trouble with so many institutions in organized religion. I always thought the idea was to find the "troubled souls" and bring them to Christ ... not judge them and cast them aside. Is this not a great opportunity to try to help reach these young souls? A way to help these young Christians? And I wonder how many gays they even had in their Pack/Troop? Thankfully another church already stepped up and gave them a new home.


BSA is reporting only 5% of their Charter Orgs have left. Kudos to the other 95%.

Exactly!!!! The ages of Scouts ranges from I believe 6-18yo and in my experience most kids drop out around 14. How many kids out there know they are gay and are visibly out of the closet by 18? I've never seen an outwardly gay 12 year old. The problem with a lot of you and a lot of churches is your inability to differentiate between gays and pedophiles. The funny part is you would probably still help out and minister to a pedophile and allow him into your church.

 

[I'm Floored]

I agree that the "blame" for this situation lies with the BS. The organizations who chartered troops did so based on a current policy. If the policy changed, it is completely understandable that those organizations would be unable to continue the agreement because it would violate their own stance.

The BS were aware, more than any other, who their sponsors were. In my opinion, they changed their stance, and INTENTIONALLY passed the buck. It's really easy to blame their sponsors when they KNEW the decision would result in this kind of consequence. They hope to come out smelling like a rose.




A Christian father gives a nice young man his blessing to date his daughter. He makes it very clear to the young man that he expects the him to treat her with respect, and to follow the father's house rules. He expects her to be home by 11:00 curfew, to not use drugs or alcohol, or engage in sexual activity.

After a couple of months, the young man decides that he wants to do things his own way. He buys some alcohol and a little weed. He convinces her that it's no big deal, and that everybody does it. She drinks and smokes with him, and eventually, they sleep together.

When she makes it home - after curfew, it's obvious to the Father what has happened. He questions her, and she admits everything. He calls the young man, and asks for a visit. The young man makes his case that he loves her, plans to marry her, that what they did isn't really that bad, and the father should just forgive him so they can move forward. The father tells the young man to stay away from his daughter.

Is the father wrong? He gave the man his blessing based on who he presented himself as initially. When his character changed, the father no longer allowed the man to have a relationship with his daughter. As a Christian, should he have just forgiven him and overlooked his behavior, even though it was contradictory to his family's values?

 

[naturegirl]

I just think its funny that Churches pick and choose which sinners they support. They will spend money to go to prisons and on the streets to help rapists, murderers and druggy homeless. But, queers and innocent Christian children be dammed!!!!

Just continue to think that way, busting up the ideas of those that stand firm is not always a good thing. They have not turned their backs on children, they have turned their backs on the Adults of the BSA that made a decision that was not in their belief. They will continue to minister to all, including children and "queers" just not the BSA.

Again, pick and choose your sinners. "They will continue to minister to all, including women and queers just not the BSA". Am I the only one that goes to a church that doesn't have a large neon sign that reads "No Sinners Allowed" or sinner and non sinner drinking fountains?

See that's the wonderful thing about this country, they can do that!! Or would you prefer the government tell them they can't?? Don't like it, don't go to Roswell Street Baptist Church, easy peasy!!

 

[I'm Floored]

I just think its funny that Churches pick and choose which sinners they support. They will spend money to go to prisons and on the streets to help rapists, murderers and druggy homeless. But, queers and innocent Christian children be dammed!!!!

Just continue to think that way, busting up the ideas of those that stand firm is not always a good thing. They have not turned their backs on children, they have turned their backs on the Adults of the BSA that made a decision that was not in their belief. They will continue to minister to all, including children and "queers" just not the BSA.

Again, pick and choose your sinners. "They will continue to minister to all, including women and queers just not the BSA". Am I the only one that goes to a church that doesn't have a large neon sign that reads "No Sinners Allowed" or sinner and non sinner drinking fountains?

Taking a stand against a lifestyle is NOT the same as treating people as outcasts. The churches and leaders who are disassociating themselves with BSA are doing so based on their acceptance of a lifestyle which they believe - based on their faith - to be sinful. I know of NO ONE who has done so based on any individual person or people.

Reaching out to others in love is very different from condoning what the Bible calls sin.

 

[LisaC]

This is why I love my church - all sinners are welcome. You will see the seats filled with them every Sunday!!

My pastor once made a very good point, how can you minister to people if you DON'T welcome them into your church? If you bring them in, share what Jesus has done for you, the Holy Spirit will take care of the rest. It's sad to me - churches welcoming Boy Scouts, Upward and other community activities on their property is often the only glimpse of Jesus that these kids see. It's sad that the kids have to be told that they are no longer welcome in God's house.

 

[naturegirl]

This is why I love my church - all sinners are welcome. You will see the seats filled with them every Sunday!!

My pastor once made a very good point, how can you minister to people if you DON'T welcome them into your church? If you bring them in, share what Jesus has done for you, the Holy Spirit will take care of the rest. It's sad to me - churches welcoming Boy Scouts, Upward and other community activities on their property is often the only glimpse of Jesus that these kids see. It's sad that the kids have to be told that they are no longer welcome in God's house.

:thumbsup Would they be interested in Chartering a BSA Pack and Troop?? We have a couple looking for new homes.

 

[Hankster]

I just think its funny that Churches pick and choose which sinners they support. They will spend money to go to prisons and on the streets to help rapists, murderers and druggy homeless. But, queers and innocent Christian children be dammed!!!!

Just continue to think that way, busting up the ideas of those that stand firm is not always a good thing. They have not turned their backs on children, they have turned their backs on the Adults of the BSA that made a decision that was not in their belief. They will continue to minister to all, including children and "queers" just not the BSA.

Again, pick and choose your sinners. "They will continue to minister to all, including women and queers just not the BSA". Am I the only one that goes to a church that doesn't have a large neon sign that reads "No Sinners Allowed" or sinner and non sinner drinking fountains?

Taking a stand against a lifestyle is NOT the same as treating people as outcasts. The churches and leaders who are disassociating themselves with BSA are doing so based on their acceptance of a lifestyle which they believe - based on their faith - to be sinful. I know of NO ONE who has done so based on any individual person or people.

Reaching out to others in love is very different from condoning what the Bible calls sin.

Isn't being an alcoholic or a druggy or constantly in and out prison a lifestyle choice as well?

 

[LisaC]

This is why I love my church - all sinners are welcome. You will see the seats filled with them every Sunday!!

My pastor once made a very good point, how can you minister to people if you DON'T welcome them into your church? If you bring them in, share what Jesus has done for you, the Holy Spirit will take care of the rest. It's sad to me - churches welcoming Boy Scouts, Upward and other community activities on their property is often the only glimpse of Jesus that these kids see. It's sad that the kids have to be told that they are no longer welcome in God's house.

:thumbsup Would they be interested in Chartering a BSA Pack and Troop?? We have a couple looking for new homes.

Put a proposal in writing and approach them, especially if you have kids at our church who have a troop that is affected. It will likely have to be for 2014 since our budget for 2013 has been set and I don't believe that are taking on any more new projects this year.

 

[I'm Floored]

I just think its funny that Churches pick and choose which sinners they support. They will spend money to go to prisons and on the streets to help rapists, murderers and druggy homeless. But, queers and innocent Christian children be dammed!!!!

Just continue to think that way, busting up the ideas of those that stand firm is not always a good thing. They have not turned their backs on children, they have turned their backs on the Adults of the BSA that made a decision that was not in their belief. They will continue to minister to all, including children and "queers" just not the BSA.

Again, pick and choose your sinners. "They will continue to minister to all, including women and queers just not the BSA". Am I the only one that goes to a church that doesn't have a large neon sign that reads "No Sinners Allowed" or sinner and non sinner drinking fountains?

Taking a stand against a lifestyle is NOT the same as treating people as outcasts. The churches and leaders who are disassociating themselves with BSA are doing so based on their acceptance of a lifestyle which they believe - based on their faith - to be sinful. I know of NO ONE who has done so based on any individual person or people.

Reaching out to others in love is very different from condoning what the Bible calls sin.

Isn't being an alcoholic or a druggy or constantly in and out prison a lifestyle choice as well?

You're talking about two different things.

(Even though I realize there may be some out there) I don't know of a church body who would NOT ALLOW any person - sinner or otherwise - into their congregation. The decision of BSA to change their stance on homosexuality, to acceptable would be detrimental to these houses of worship. Any PERSON is welcomed in a church. Their sin is not. It's important to understand the line.