Roswell St Baptist Church

[naturegirl]

Our troop is going through all of this right now. The church leadership team is meeting with the boy scouts and parents tonight to discuss this. Then there will be a church meeting and maybe a vote. I feel that all of this is just to let the folks discuss the matter, but I'm 98% sure our church will no longer sponsor the troop. The only thing our church has done is sign the charter and provide a place to meet. That's all. The boys in turn, have done many service projects for the church. We have had 3 boys saved during the years our church has sponsored the church. That's not a whole lot during the years, but 3 is awesome.
I am upset about this for several reasons:
1. If one boy gets mad at the church or God and never sets foot in a church again and never accepts Jesus as his Savior, he will go to hell. I'm not going to have that blood on my hands.
2. The boys in our troop had nothing to do with this policy change, but they are being punished.
3. It's all about the almighty dollar.
4. It is causing my husband (the Scoutmaster) blood pressure to go up. He is a very calm man and I know he is holding a lot of his anger/sadness about this situation in.
On the other hand....all I church did was sign the charter and provide us a place to hold meetings. We have a company willing to step up and sponsor our troop. A meeting place will have to be found. I just hope our church will allow the troop to still meet there until the policy change comes into effect (Jan 2014)
Until this policy change our troop and church has worked so well together. It's sad that they will sever the tie because of this. I totally understand that our church has to take a stand, but they will have to understand that if given a vote, I'll vote to keep the Scouts. I fear that the decision either way will cause some division in our church. My husband and I have talked about this. As Christians, we totally understand that it's a stand that our church may have to take, but we are human and we love out Scouts. We will not leave our church over this decision. We love our church. We know that it's not the church's fault. It's the people who voted this policy in.
Our Scout Troop will survive. We just don't know what impact it will have on our Scouts. My husband said "The boys need someone who will stand up for them. They need someone to mentor them. They need someone to protect them." He will stand up for them. He will mentor them and he will PROTECT them!!

You and MrJR are awesome!! Those are some lucky future Eagle scouts!!

 

[ShoeDiva]

Our troop is going through all of this right now. The church leadership team is meeting with the boy scouts and parents tonight to discuss this. Then there will be a church meeting and maybe a vote. I feel that all of this is just to let the folks discuss the matter, but I'm 98% sure our church will no longer sponsor the troop. The only thing our church has done is sign the charter and provide a place to meet. That's all. The boys in turn, have done many service projects for the church. We have had 3 boys saved during the years our church has sponsored the church. That's not a whole lot during the years, but 3 is awesome.
I am upset about this for several reasons:
1. If one boy gets mad at the church or God and never sets foot in a church again and never accepts Jesus as his Savior, he will go to hell. I'm not going to have that blood on my hands.
2. The boys in our troop had nothing to do with this policy change, but they are being punished.
3. It's all about the almighty dollar.
4. It is causing my husband (the Scoutmaster) blood pressure to go up. He is a very calm man and I know he is holding a lot of his anger/sadness about this situation in.
On the other hand....all I church did was sign the charter and provide us a place to hold meetings. We have a company willing to step up and sponsor our troop. A meeting place will have to be found. I just hope our church will allow the troop to still meet there until the policy change comes into effect (Jan 2014)
Until this policy change our troop and church has worked so well together. It's sad that they will sever the tie because of this. I totally understand that our church has to take a stand, but they will have to understand that if given a vote, I'll vote to keep the Scouts. I fear that the decision either way will cause some division in our church. My husband and I have talked about this. As Christians, we totally understand that it's a stand that our church may have to take, but we are human and we love out Scouts. We will not leave our church over this decision. We love our church. We know that it's not the church's fault. It's the people who voted this policy in.
Our Scout Troop will survive. We just don't know what impact it will have on our Scouts. My husband said "The boys need someone who will stand up for them. They need someone to mentor them. They need someone to protect them." He will stand up for them. He will mentor them and he will PROTECT them!!

You and MrJR are awesome!! Those are some lucky future Eagle scouts!!

:ditto

 

[LisaC]

Our troop is going through all of this right now. The church leadership team is meeting with the boy scouts and parents tonight to discuss this. Then there will be a church meeting and maybe a vote. I feel that all of this is just to let the folks discuss the matter, but I'm 98% sure our church will no longer sponsor the troop. The only thing our church has done is sign the charter and provide a place to meet. That's all. The boys in turn, have done many service projects for the church. We have had 3 boys saved during the years our church has sponsored the church. That's not a whole lot during the years, but 3 is awesome.
I am upset about this for several reasons:
1. If one boy gets mad at the church or God and never sets foot in a church again and never accepts Jesus as his Savior, he will go to hell. I'm not going to have that blood on my hands.
2. The boys in our troop had nothing to do with this policy change, but they are being punished.
3. It's all about the almighty dollar.
4. It is causing my husband (the Scoutmaster) blood pressure to go up. He is a very calm man and I know he is holding a lot of his anger/sadness about this situation in.
On the other hand....all I church did was sign the charter and provide us a place to hold meetings. We have a company willing to step up and sponsor our troop. A meeting place will have to be found. I just hope our church will allow the troop to still meet there until the policy change comes into effect (Jan 2014)
Until this policy change our troop and church has worked so well together. It's sad that they will sever the tie because of this. I totally understand that our church has to take a stand, but they will have to understand that if given a vote, I'll vote to keep the Scouts. I fear that the decision either way will cause some division in our church. My husband and I have talked about this. As Christians, we totally understand that it's a stand that our church may have to take, but we are human and we love out Scouts. We will not leave our church over this decision. We love our church. We know that it's not the church's fault. It's the people who voted this policy in.
Our Scout Troop will survive. We just don't know what impact it will have on our Scouts. My husband said "The boys need someone who will stand up for them. They need someone to mentor them. They need someone to protect them." He will stand up for them. He will mentor them and he will PROTECT them!!

You and MrJR are awesome!! Those are some lucky future Eagle scouts!!

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[Madea]

Do individual troups have the option to have rules in place that are contrary to the national BSA?

 

[naturegirl]

Do individual troups have the option to have rules in place that are contrary to the national BSA?

Nope, they do not. BSA rules are BSA rules. There may be some exception on how the program is delivered but no, individual units don't get to set their own rules. The only exception I can think of is the LDS church doesn't allow women to be Boy Scout Leaders, only Cub Scout leaders. It's a church thing and since they charter thousands of units, it's allowed.

 

[MamaHog]

Tonight when I was picking up my son from scouts at West Ridge, I had a conversation with the Asst. Scoutmaster. He said that he is planning on having a meeting with all the parents about this issue, but asked if I had any questions. I told him that I had heard that some churches were pulling their support and that troops were having to find new places to meet and that my only question was if West Ridge was going to do this. He said that they absolutely will not. He said that they will be continuing the charter them. I was relieved. He also told me that he absolutely believes that homosexuality is a sin, but if the church turned away the homosexuals because of their sin, he would absolutely not want to continue going to that church. That just made me more proud to be involved in this particular BSA troop!

 

[mei lan]

Tonight when I was picking up my son from scouts at West Ridge, I had a conversation with the Asst. Scoutmaster. He said that he is planning on having a meeting with all the parents about this issue, but asked if I had any questions. I told him that I had heard that some churches were pulling their support and that troops were having to find new places to meet and that my only question was if West Ridge was going to do this. He said that they absolutely will not. He said that they will be continuing the charter them. I was relieved. He also told me that he absolutely believes that homosexuality is a sin, but if the church turned away the homosexuals because of their sin, he would absolutely not want to continue going to that church. That just made me more proud to be involved in this particular BSA troop!

See, this is what I think. I think continuing to sponsor a troop is perfectly in line with Scripture. I will not question the judgment of a church who feels it is against their belief system to not sponsor a troop, but I am convinced that there is nothing wrong with a church continuing to sponsor a troop.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Tonight when I was picking up my son from scouts at West Ridge, I had a conversation with the Asst. Scoutmaster. He said that he is planning on having a meeting with all the parents about this issue, but asked if I had any questions. I told him that I had heard that some churches were pulling their support and that troops were having to find new places to meet and that my only question was if West Ridge was going to do this. He said that they absolutely will not. He said that they will be continuing the charter them. I was relieved. He also told me that he absolutely believes that homosexuality is a sin, but if the church turned away the homosexuals because of their sin, he would absolutely not want to continue going to that church. That just made me more proud to be involved in this particular BSA troop!

:thumbsup

 

[Mrs. Jack Russell]

Tonight when I was picking up my son from scouts at West Ridge, I had a conversation with the Asst. Scoutmaster. He said that he is planning on having a meeting with all the parents about this issue, but asked if I had any questions. I told him that I had heard that some churches were pulling their support and that troops were having to find new places to meet and that my only question was if West Ridge was going to do this. He said that they absolutely will not. He said that they will be continuing the charter them. I was relieved. He also told me that he absolutely believes that homosexuality is a sin, but if the church turned away the homosexuals because of their sin, he would absolutely not want to continue going to that church. That just made me more proud to be involved in this particular BSA troop!

We had our meeting last night. Several Assistant Scout Masters talked and our Pastor talked. Without actually saying what the decision was going to be, I'm sure that our church will not be signing the new charter for Jan 2014. Our Pastor said that everyone is welcome in our church. The church just can not sign an agreement that says that "openly gay boys" can be in the troop. It goes against all the principles of what our church stands for. It's as if the Scouts have given their endorsement on boys being gay and that is something the church will never endorse.

My husband and I understand this and are so torn up about this. We are Christians. We love our church and we would never leave because of this because we also believe that the Boy Scouts of America should not have made this policy change. I think the word "openly" is the worst part of the new policy change. JMHO.

I just think it's a sign that God is coming back soon. This one policy change has caused so many issues in churches. I just hope that if/when our church makes the decision to not sign the new charter and it's announced that folks in our congregation do not applaud like they did at Roswell Street. That upset me more than hearing that Roswell Street was doing away with their Scouts. There are boys from the troop that are members of the Scout Troop and it would be so devastating to see any Christian acting like it was a win because it's a loose loose situation in my opinion.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Tonight when I was picking up my son from scouts at West Ridge, I had a conversation with the Asst. Scoutmaster. He said that he is planning on having a meeting with all the parents about this issue, but asked if I had any questions. I told him that I had heard that some churches were pulling their support and that troops were having to find new places to meet and that my only question was if West Ridge was going to do this. He said that they absolutely will not. He said that they will be continuing the charter them. I was relieved. He also told me that he absolutely believes that homosexuality is a sin, but if the church turned away the homosexuals because of their sin, he would absolutely not want to continue going to that church. That just made me more proud to be involved in this particular BSA troop!

We had our meeting last night. Several Assistant Scout Masters talked and our Pastor talked. Without actually saying what the decision was going to be, I'm sure that our church will not be signing the new charter for Jan 2014. Our Pastor said that everyone is welcome in our church. The church just can not sign an agreement that says that "openly gay boys" can be in the troop. It goes against all the principles of what our church stands for. It's as if the Scouts have given their endorsement on boys being gay and that is something the church will never endorse.

My husband and I understand this and are so torn up about this. We are Christians. We love our church and we would never leave because of this because we also believe that the Boy Scouts of America should not have made this policy change. I think the word "openly" is the worst part of the new policy change. JMHO.

I just think it's a sign that God is coming back soon. This one policy change has caused so many issues in churches. I just hope that if/when our church makes the decision to not sign the new charter and it's announced that folks in our congregation do not applaud like they did at Roswell Street. That upset me more than hearing that Roswell Street was doing away with their Scouts. There are boys from the troop that are members of the Scout Troop and it would be so devastating to see any Christian acting like it was a win because it's a loose loose situation in my opinion.

Oh my gosh. I had not read about that. I agree with you and while they have every right to not sign for 2014, clapping at the decision would probably cause me to pack my stuff right then and leave. That really is sad.

 

[Guard Dad]

I had not heard of the clapping at Roswell St. I would hope any applause would be to show support for how a difficult situation was handled and not a malicious display. Since I wasn't there to see for myself, I'll refrain from judging.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I had not heard of the clapping at Roswell St. I would hope any applause would be to show support for how a difficult situation was handled and not a malicious display. Since I wasn't there to see for myself, I'll refrain from judging.

Clapping is not an appropriate display either way in my opinion. Think about it, if you were a boy scout there, they announced the church would no longer be affiliated with the scouts, how would you feel when clapping started? Just saying, I am looking at this from the people that were impacted by the decision. I just do not see an outbreak of clapping as good or positive.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Didn't just clap.

 

[Guard Dad]

I had not heard of the clapping at Roswell St. I would hope any applause would be to show support for how a difficult situation was handled and not a malicious display. Since I wasn't there to see for myself, I'll refrain from judging.

Clapping is not an appropriate display either way in my opinion. Think about it, if you were a boy scout there, they announced the church would no longer be affiliated with the scouts, how would you feel when clapping started? Just saying, I am looking at this from the people that were impacted by the decision. I just do not see an outbreak of clapping as good or positive.

I only say that because clapping is a common thing in Baptist churches, not only to show appreciation for something like a song but also to show support for an action. EX: I have been in churches where the congregation clapped after passing approval for a building campaign or a mission project.

 

[J-man]

Hopefully it gained a standing ovation, the church as a whole should be pleased that they stood firm in their christian values. There are many other outreach opportunities equally deserving of church support which do not risk dividing a congregation and destroying a church.

 

[naturegirl]

Hopefully it gained a standing ovation, the church as a whole should be pleased that they stood firm in their christian values. There are many other outreach opportunities equally deserving of church support which do not risk dividing a congregation and destroying a church.

:goodjob I agree with this. Standing firm in your beliefs instead of being driven to the "socially acceptable" remains on of the last affirmations that we are indeed the land of the free. I don't fault Roswell Street Baptist Church or the BSA, they each have to do what they feel is in the best interest of their group.

I'm fine with RSBC cutting their ties with BSA, too bad others see them as the bad guys.

 

[Guard Dad]

Hopefully it gained a standing ovation, the church as a whole should be pleased that they stood firm in their christian values. There are many other outreach opportunities equally deserving of church support which do not risk dividing a congregation and destroying a church.

:goodjob I agree with this. Standing firm in your beliefs instead of being driven to the "socially acceptable" remains on of the last affirmations that we are indeed the land of the free. I don't fault Roswell Street Baptist Church or the BSA, they each have to do what they feel is in the best interest of their group.

I'm fine with RSBC cutting their ties with BSA, too bad other see them as the bad guys.

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This is what I don't get. The BSA is who caused this, not the churches.

 

[LisaC]

I had not heard of the clapping at Roswell St. I would hope any applause would be to show support for how a difficult situation was handled and not a malicious display. Since I wasn't there to see for myself, I'll refrain from judging.

Clapping is not an appropriate display either way in my opinion. Think about it, if you were a boy scout there, they announced the church would no longer be affiliated with the scouts, how would you feel when clapping started? Just saying, I am looking at this from the people that were impacted by the decision. I just do not see an outbreak of clapping as good or positive.

I only say that because clapping is a common thing in Baptist churches, not only to show appreciation for something like a song but also to show support for an action. EX: I have been in churches where the congregation clapped after passing approval for a building campaign or a mission project.

Well, the church failed on this "mission project." No applause should have happened.

My hubby and I discussed this last night because he said that our pastor is currently at the Southern Baptist Convention. Hubby said that he understands why the churches are pulling out and agrees with it to a certain extent, but he also sees how we will be pushing kids out of our churches who may not otherwise have any link to Jesus in their lives. This is just sad, this isn't something to applaud.

 

[Madea]

I had not heard of the clapping at Roswell St. I would hope any applause would be to show support for how a difficult situation was handled and not a malicious display. Since I wasn't there to see for myself, I'll refrain from judging.

Clapping is not an appropriate display either way in my opinion. Think about it, if you were a boy scout there, they announced the church would no longer be affiliated with the scouts, how would you feel when clapping started? Just saying, I am looking at this from the people that were impacted by the decision. I just do not see an outbreak of clapping as good or positive.

I only say that because clapping is a common thing in Baptist churches, not only to show appreciation for something like a song but also to show support for an action. EX: I have been in churches where the congregation clapped after passing approval for a building campaign or a mission project.

Well, the church failed on this "mission project." No applause should have happened.

My hubby and I discussed this last night because he said that our pastor is currently at the Southern Baptist Convention. Hubby said that he understands why the churches are pulling out and agrees with it to a certain extent, but he also sees how we will be pushing kids out of our churches who may not otherwise have any link to Jesus in their lives. This is just sad, this isn't something to applaud.

I didn't think your church sponsored BSA. :dunno

How much Jesus are the BSA kids getting from the sponoring churches? :dunno

 

[Guard Dad]

I had not heard of the clapping at Roswell St. I would hope any applause would be to show support for how a difficult situation was handled and not a malicious display. Since I wasn't there to see for myself, I'll refrain from judging.

Clapping is not an appropriate display either way in my opinion. Think about it, if you were a boy scout there, they announced the church would no longer be affiliated with the scouts, how would you feel when clapping started? Just saying, I am looking at this from the people that were impacted by the decision. I just do not see an outbreak of clapping as good or positive.

I only say that because clapping is a common thing in Baptist churches, not only to show appreciation for something like a song but also to show support for an action. EX: I have been in churches where the congregation clapped after passing approval for a building campaign or a mission project.

Well, the church failed on this "mission project." No applause should have happened.

My hubby and I discussed this last night because he said that our pastor is currently at the Southern Baptist Convention. Hubby said that he understands why the churches are pulling out and agrees with it to a certain extent, but he also sees how we will be pushing kids out of our churches who may not otherwise have any link to Jesus in their lives. This is just sad, this isn't something to applaud.

How much Jesus do the children get from an organization who has endorsed homosexuality?

As J-Man said, these churches have stood firm on their Biblical values. I genuinely hope they did it in a loving manner, but maybe some individuals didn't. There are some in every church, I'd be willing to bet your church has them too.

Watering down God's word is not the way to get kids in church.