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LisaC said:
honeybunny said:
LisaC said:
honeybunny said:
LisaC said:
Are Timothy McVeigh, the Newton School shooter, and the crazy guy that shot up the movie theater in Colorado listed on terrorists lists? They would all qualify as terrorists IMO (as well as others like them).


Timothy McVeigh would meet the standard definition of a terrorist.
He attacked a government building and his motives were political.


Adam Lanza and James Holmes were motivated by mental illness.


;)


I've always thought of it as an act of terror designated for a specific group of people, not just political. Lanza and Holmes targeted specific groups, that's why I included them. :dunno


The term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against non-combatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.

- US State Department


Would that make PETA a terrorist organization? Planned parenthood? Organizations that threaten abortion clinics? I need to do some digging, because that definition leave a lot of room for interpretation out there.

PETA could be, but they are soooooooooo wacky that they can't be too much of a threat.
 
LisaC said:
Are Timothy McVeigh, the Newton School shooter, and the crazy guy that shot up the movie theater in Colorado listed on terrorists lists? They would all qualify as terrorists IMO (as well as others like them).

They were all liberal democraps!
 
stradial said:
LisaC said:
honeybunny said:
LisaC said:
honeybunny said:
LisaC said:
Are Timothy McVeigh, the Newton School shooter, and the crazy guy that shot up the movie theater in Colorado listed on terrorists lists? They would all qualify as terrorists IMO (as well as others like them).


Timothy McVeigh would meet the standard definition of a terrorist.
He attacked a government building and his motives were political.


Adam Lanza and James Holmes were motivated by mental illness.


;)


I've always thought of it as an act of terror designated for a specific group of people, not just political. Lanza and Holmes targeted specific groups, that's why I included them. :dunno


The term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against non-combatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.

- US State Department


Would that make PETA a terrorist organization? Planned parenthood? Organizations that threaten abortion clinics? I need to do some digging, because that definition leave a lot of room for interpretation out there.

PETA could be, but they are soooooooooo wacky that they can't be too much of a threat.
They are indeed whack, but don't underestimate them. They have been investigated, and are being watched for terrorist acts.
 
deewee said:
stradial said:
PETA could be, but they are soooooooooo wacky that they can't be too much of a threat.
They are indeed whack, but don't underestimate them. They have been investigated, and are being watched for terrorist acts.

Glad to know they are being watched, they are one strange group of people.
 
Actually, this would leave open the possibility that any organization that has a conflict with the leadership in Washington could be deemed a terrorist organization if any type of violence or perceived conflict broke out.
 
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/06/03/notes-toward-a-terror-apologist%E2%80%99s-rhetoric-abridged-but-unexpurgated/


:(
 
honeybunny said:
LisaC said:


Unless we can agree on a standard practical definition of terrorism this discussion is pointless.


(this is the part where I roll my eyes and walk away...)


:huh

Come back........ :)) Did you hear me, I yelled. :snick_bunny

The FBI has a different definition than the US State Department.

There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

The FBI further describes terrorism as either domestic or international, depending on the origin, base, and objectives of the terrorist organization. For the purpose of this report, the FBI will use the following definitions:

Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.
International terrorism involves violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any state, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or any state. These acts appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping. International terrorist acts occur outside the United States or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to coerce or intimidate, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.


On terrorists:

Numerous studies have been done using this database: http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/BrowseBy.aspx?category=perpetrator

This is the database used showing that the 99% is not correct. I had this bookmarked but apparently not the study, but the info is in there.

I do remember one of the studies was from Duke University. I just do not have time to dig right now. I know that there were also many Jewish leagues that ranked high, which I actually did not know of.

Here is a report of Muslim terrorism in the US for 2013.http://sites.duke.edu/tcths/files/2013/06/Kurzman_Muslim-American_Terrorism_in_20131.pdf

Many of the sites I have looked at are not what I would call credible but do also point out that when looking at actual numbers a large percent can be attributed to Islam believers, but not as much as all the news/press would have you believe. Again the whole every Muslim is a terrorist not being factually true. Which as I was saying I do not believe every one is and I do not believe every self professed Christian that does something bad should influence someone's opinion of me and my faith.
 
LisaC said:
honeybunny said:
LisaC said:
Are Timothy McVeigh, the Newton School shooter, and the crazy guy that shot up the movie theater in Colorado listed on terrorists lists? They would all qualify as terrorists IMO (as well as others like them).


Timothy McVeigh would meet the standard definition of a terrorist.
He attacked a government building and his motives were political.


Adam Lanza and James Holmes were motivated by mental illness.


;)


I've always thought of it as an act of terror designated for a specific group of people, not just political. Lanza and Holmes targeted specific groups, that's why I included them. :dunno

What specific groups? school children? people who go to movies? :dunno
 
I would add my personal experience with Muslims living in this country, but I doubt you'd believe me. :D
 
ShoeDiva said:
honeybunny said:
LisaC said:


Unless we can agree on a standard practical definition of terrorism this discussion is pointless.


(this is the part where I roll my eyes and walk away...)


:huh

Come back........ :)) Did you hear me, I yelled. :snick_bunny

The FBI has a different definition than the US State Department.

There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

The FBI further describes terrorism as either domestic or international, depending on the origin, base, and objectives of the terrorist organization. For the purpose of this report, the FBI will use the following definitions:

Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.
International terrorism involves violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any state, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or any state. These acts appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping. International terrorist acts occur outside the United States or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to coerce or intimidate, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.


On terrorists:

Numerous studies have been done using this database: http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/BrowseBy.aspx?category=perpetrator

This is the database used showing that the 99% is not correct. I had this bookmarked but apparently not the study, but the info is in there.

I do remember one of the studies was from Duke University. I just do not have time to dig right now. I know that there were also many Jewish leagues that ranked high, which I actually did not know of.

Here is a report of Muslim terrorism in the US for 2013.http://sites.duke.edu/tcths/files/2013/06/Kurzman_Muslim-American_Terrorism_in_20131.pdf

Many of the sites I have looked at are not what I would call credible but do also point out that when looking at actual numbers a large percent can be attributed to Islam believers, but not as much as all the news/press would have you believe. Again the whole every Muslim is a terrorist not being factually true. Which as I was saying I do not believe every one is and I do not believe every self professed Christian that does something bad should influence someone's opinion of me and my faith.


I never claimed that every Muslim was a terrorist.

I claimed that the overwhelming majority of modern global terrorism is committed by Islamists.

Huge difference... I have studied this subject in depth and own an extensive collection of books
on Islamic extremism and the global jihadist movement. Comparing garden variety homicide to
terrorism is misleading. Downplaying the connection between Islamists and their use of terrorism
does not do moderate Muslims any favors, as they are the majority victims of these terror attacks.
 
honeybunny said:
LisaC said:


Unless we can agree on a standard practical definition of terrorism this discussion is pointless.


(this is the part where I roll my eyes and walk away...)


???


But based on your posted definition, PETA, environmental groups, pro-life groups, Planned Parenthood and others could all fall under that definition. Again, your definition is subjective.

But, on the bright side, I rolled my eyes too!! :taunt
 
All you need to know:

Tea Party- Terrorist
Sons of the Confederacy - Terrorist
New Black Panthers: Community Organization
Islamic US Army captain who shoots up a base after visiting radicalization websites and while shouting "Praise ALLAH" - disgruntled employee

Sent from a small screen using fat thumbs.
 
honeybunny said:
stradial said:
When I go off the deep end, wonder how I will be classified?


When you finally snap, I'm sure you will be in a class all your own.


:thumbsup

Thank you.
I always knew I was in a class by myself.
 
lotstodo said:
Do we see a clock tower in your future?

Sent from a small screen using fat thumbs.


Maybe something more like this:


http://consumerist.com/2010/08/09/jetblue-flight-attendant-curses-out-passenger-uses-emergency-slide-to-run-away/


:laugh
 
honeybunny said:
lotstodo said:
Do we see a clock tower in your future?

Sent from a small screen using fat thumbs.


Maybe something more like this:


http://consumerist.com/2010/08/09/jetblue-flight-attendant-curses-out-passenger-uses-emergency-slide-to-run-away/


:laugh
Hahahahahaaaaaaaaa!
 
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