Boy Scouts

[ShoeDiva]

Certainly every sponsor has the right to end their sponsorship for whatever reason they choose. But I would like to see them to do this: I would like every adult who made the decision to drop these boys to have to look each one of them individually in the eye. I want them to explain to them that they can't teach them the qualities that make them a good citizen and a good man. They can't learn the qualities of leadership, cooperation and understanding while enjoying nature and having fun. They won't be given the experiences of a young boy's life. Tell them that they cannot be given these gifts, because if they were given these gifts, the boy down the street who is different would have be given the same gifts.

So go ahead and exercise your rights. Just understand that the Christian boy whose heart you are breaking, the boy you are looking at, will be the one punished by that decision, not the Godless homosexuals.

With that, I will leave this discussion to people who seem for the most part, IMO, to be far more concerned with their own motives than the lives of the boys that Scouting is supposed to serve. Peace Out.

I like all your input.

 

[Madea]

Certainly every sponsor has the right to end their sponsorship for whatever reason they choose. But I would like to see them to do this: I would like every adult who made the decision to drop these boys to have to look each one of them individually in the eye. I want them to explain to them that they can't teach them the qualities that make them a good citizen and a good man. They can't learn the qualities of leadership, cooperation and understanding while enjoying nature and having fun. They won't be given the experiences of a young boy's life. Tell them that they cannot be given these gifts, because if they were given these gifts, the boy down the street who is different would have be given the same gifts.
/snip/

That's fair enough. But also have all prior sponsors do the same.

 

[Guard Dad]

If they felt like they had to make a change, a "don't ask don't tell" policy would have been better. At least that way they wouldn't have been putting their stamp of approval on what doesn't belong in scouting in the first place (sexuality).

Decisions like this make me question the wisdom of their leadership.

 

[J-man]

Certainly every sponsor has the right to end their sponsorship for whatever reason they choose. But I would like to see them to do this: I would like every adult who made the decision to drop these boys to have to look each one of them individually in the eye. I want them to explain to them that they can't teach them the qualities that make them a good citizen and a good man. They can't learn the qualities of leadership, cooperation and understanding while enjoying nature and having fun. They won't be given the experiences of a young boy's life. Tell them that they cannot be given these gifts, because if they were given these gifts, the boy down the street who is different would have be given the same gifts.

So go ahead and exercise your rights. Just understand that the Christian boy whose heart you are breaking, the boy you are looking at, will be the one punished by that decision, not the Godless homosexuals.

With that, I will leave this discussion to people who seem for the most part, IMO, to be far more concerned with their own motives than the lives of the boys that Scouting is supposed to serve. Peace Out.

Do you mean like when the BSA corporate leaders looked those same kids in the eyes and explained to them why this issue was so important that they were willing to risk the future of the organization on it. Yeah, I'm sure that happened. I think it's interesting that we've had a 10 page discussion on it with opinions for both sides of the issue. Bottom line is that the BSA drew a line in the sand, now let's see how many cross it. IMO the BSA failed to consider is that today there are many other organizations, groups, and events where kids can learn leadership and have just as much fun doing it. Not so when BSA was first chartered, it's no longer a one trick pony show. Why would a parent want to expose their young child to an organization undergoing division over such an adult topic when they can choose another organization as a legitimate option. Why would a conservative adult leader want to be part of the issue when they can volunteer elsewhere. I think this will mark the beginning of the downfall of the scouts which is truly sad. Not that it will be immediate, but only the beginning, and in my opinion rightly so. This issue should have never grew legs but it's yet another example of the liberal left pushing their agenda into the mainstream, at any cost. Now we question or demonize those who want to make their stance against it, but that's the new American way.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Certainly every sponsor has the right to end their sponsorship for whatever reason they choose. But I would like to see them to do this: I would like every adult who made the decision to drop these boys to have to look each one of them individually in the eye. I want them to explain to them that they can't teach them the qualities that make them a good citizen and a good man. They can't learn the qualities of leadership, cooperation and understanding while enjoying nature and having fun. They won't be given the experiences of a young boy's life. Tell them that they cannot be given these gifts, because if they were given these gifts, the boy down the street who is different would have be given the same gifts.

So go ahead and exercise your rights. Just understand that the Christian boy whose heart you are breaking, the boy you are looking at, will be the one punished by that decision, not the Godless homosexuals.

With that, I will leave this discussion to people who seem for the most part, IMO, to be far more concerned with their own motives than the lives of the boys that Scouting is supposed to serve. Peace Out.

Do you mean like when the BSA corporate leaders looked those same kids in the eyes and explained to them why this issue was so important that they were willing to risk the future of the organization on it. Yeah, I'm sure that happened. I think it's interesting that we've had a 10 page discussion on it with opinions for both sides of the issue. Bottom line is that the BSA drew a line in the sand, now let's see how many cross it. IMO the BSA failed to consider is that today there are many other organizations, groups, and events where kids can learn leadership and have just as much fun doing it. Not so when BSA was first chartered, it's no longer a one trick pony show. Why would a parent want to expose their young child to an organization undergoing division over such an adult topic when they can choose another organization as a legitimate option. Why would a conservative adult leader want to be part of the issue when they can volunteer elsewhere. I think this will mark the beginning of the downfall of the scouts which is truly sad. Not that it will be immediate, but only the beginning, and in my opinion rightly so. This issue should have never grew legs but it's yet another example of the liberal left pushing their agenda into the mainstream, at any cost. Now we question or demonize those who want to make their stance against it, but that's the new American way.

I actually do think it is interesting that we can have these conversations. Many have been questions and answers to things they might not know. (I have asked quite a few, come across articles, etc.) I will give you an example; you made a very good point on there being so many other leadership organizations now. I never thought of that and I wonder now, as you do, did they consider that?

 

[gog8tors]

Certainly every sponsor has the right to end their sponsorship for whatever reason they choose. But I would like to see them to do this: I would like every adult who made the decision to drop these boys to have to look each one of them individually in the eye. I want them to explain to them that they can't teach them the qualities that make them a good citizen and a good man. They can't learn the qualities of leadership, cooperation and understanding while enjoying nature and having fun. They won't be given the experiences of a young boy's life. Tell them that they cannot be given these gifts, because if they were given these gifts, the boy down the street who is different would have be given the same gifts.

So go ahead and exercise your rights. Just understand that the Christian boy whose heart you are breaking, the boy you are looking at, will be the one punished by that decision, not the Godless homosexuals.

With that, I will leave this discussion to people who seem for the most part, IMO, to be far more concerned with their own motives than the lives of the boys that Scouting is supposed to serve. Peace Out.

Do you mean like when the BSA corporate leaders looked those same kids in the eyes and explained to them why this issue was so important that they were willing to risk the future of the organization on it. Yeah, I'm sure that happened. I think it's interesting that we've had a 10 page discussion on it with opinions for both sides of the issue. Bottom line is that the BSA drew a line in the sand, now let's see how many cross it. IMO the BSA failed to consider is that today there are many other organizations, groups, and events where kids can learn leadership and have just as much fun doing it. Not so when BSA was first chartered, it's no longer a one trick pony show. Why would a parent want to expose their young child to an organization undergoing division over such an adult topic when they can choose another organization as a legitimate option. Why would a conservative adult leader want to be part of the issue when they can volunteer elsewhere. I think this will mark the beginning of the downfall of the scouts which is truly sad. Not that it will be immediate, but only the beginning, and in my opinion rightly so. This issue should have never grew legs but it's yet another example of the liberal left pushing their agenda into the mainstream, at any cost. Now we question or demonize those who want to make their stance against it, but that's the new American way.

I actually do think it is interesting that we can have these conversations. Many have been questions and answers to things they might not know. (I have asked quite a few, come across articles, etc.) I will give you an example; you made a very good point on there being so many other leadership organizations now. I never thought of that and I wonder now, as you do, did they consider that?

I don't think they ever considered that. I think the BSA brass were depending on the loyalty of it's members.
Scouting has never been about sex. And, now everything seems to be about sex.

 

[unionmom]

The difference I see between the corporations and the leaders ... the corporations never looked my kid in the eyes and asked him to trust them. They never took my kid camping, they never taught my kid how to tie knots, or read a compass, or save himself if he got lost in the woods. The corporations never taught him how to work with others to get a job done. The corporations are faceless businesses that can't let my kid down. The adults that are walking away before they even see if this will have a direct impact on them are letting these boys down. IMHO

 

[Madea]

The difference I see between the corporations and the leaders ... the corporations never looked my kid in the eyes and asked him to trust them. They never took my kid camping, they never taught my kid how to tie knots, or read a compass, or save himself if he got lost in the woods. The corporations never taught him how to work with others to get a job done. The corporations are faceless businesses that can't let my kid down. The adults that are walking away before they even see if this will have a direct impact on them are letting these boys down. IMHO

My son has never been a boy scout. He was a cub scout for a very brief period. That ended completely due to one comment from one scout leader that he's never forgotten. I think overall the scouts are a great organization. My son decided on his own that it wasn't for him. However, he's learned those kinds of things without any corporate help.

 

[mathetes]

Certainly every sponsor has the right to end their sponsorship for whatever reason they choose. But I would like to see them to do this: I would like every adult who made the decision to drop these boys to have to look each one of them individually in the eye. I want them to explain to them that they can't teach them the qualities that make them a good citizen and a good man. They can't learn the qualities of leadership, cooperation and understanding while enjoying nature and having fun. They won't be given the experiences of a young boy's life. Tell them that they cannot be given these gifts, because if they were given these gifts, the boy down the street who is different would have be given the same gifts.

So go ahead and exercise your rights. Just understand that the Christian boy whose heart you are breaking, the boy you are looking at, will be the one punished by that decision, not the Godless homosexuals.

With that, I will leave this discussion to people who seem for the most part, IMO, to be far more concerned with their own motives than the lives of the boys that Scouting is supposed to serve. Peace Out.

Do you mean like when the BSA corporate leaders looked those same kids in the eyes and explained to them why this issue was so important that they were willing to risk the future of the organization on it. Yeah, I'm sure that happened. I think it's interesting that we've had a 10 page discussion on it with opinions for both sides of the issue. Bottom line is that the BSA drew a line in the sand, now let's see how many cross it. IMO the BSA failed to consider is that today there are many other organizations, groups, and events where kids can learn leadership and have just as much fun doing it. Not so when BSA was first chartered, it's no longer a one trick pony show. Why would a parent want to expose their young child to an organization undergoing division over such an adult topic when they can choose another organization as a legitimate option. Why would a conservative adult leader want to be part of the issue when they can volunteer elsewhere. I think this will mark the beginning of the downfall of the scouts which is truly sad. Not that it will be immediate, but only the beginning, and in my opinion rightly so. This issue should have never grew legs but it's yet another example of the liberal left pushing their agenda into the mainstream, at any cost. Now we question or demonize those who want to make their stance against it, but that's the new American way.

This was never about equal access to the scouts, just as gay marriage was never about marriage. Plain and simple this is a conspiracy to undermine an destroy such godly institutions as marriage and the scouts.



Ephesians 6:12
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

 

[mathetes]

Certainly every sponsor has the right to end their sponsorship for whatever reason they choose. But I would like to see them to do this: I would like every adult who made the decision to drop these boys to have to look each one of them individually in the eye. I want them to explain to them that they can't teach them the qualities that make them a good citizen and a good man. They can't learn the qualities of leadership, cooperation and understanding while enjoying nature and having fun. They won't be given the experiences of a young boy's life. Tell them that they cannot be given these gifts, because if they were given these gifts, the boy down the street who is different would have be given the same gifts.

So go ahead and exercise your rights. Just understand that the Christian boy whose heart you are breaking, the boy you are looking at, will be the one punished by that decision, not the Godless homosexuals.

With that, I will leave this discussion to people who seem for the most part, IMO, to be far more concerned with their own motives than the lives of the boys that Scouting is supposed to serve. Peace Out.

Do you mean like when the BSA corporate leaders looked those same kids in the eyes and explained to them why this issue was so important that they were willing to risk the future of the organization on it. Yeah, I'm sure that happened. I think it's interesting that we've had a 10 page discussion on it with opinions for both sides of the issue. Bottom line is that the BSA drew a line in the sand, now let's see how many cross it. IMO the BSA failed to consider is that today there are many other organizations, groups, and events where kids can learn leadership and have just as much fun doing it. Not so when BSA was first chartered, it's no longer a one trick pony show. Why would a parent want to expose their young child to an organization undergoing division over such an adult topic when they can choose another organization as a legitimate option. Why would a conservative adult leader want to be part of the issue when they can volunteer elsewhere. I think this will mark the beginning of the downfall of the scouts which is truly sad. Not that it will be immediate, but only the beginning, and in my opinion rightly so. This issue should have never grew legs but it's yet another example of the liberal left pushing their agenda into the mainstream, at any cost. Now we question or demonize those who want to make their stance against it, but that's the new American way.

This was never about equal access to the scouts, just as gay marriage was never about marriage. Plain and simple this is a conspiracy to undermine an destroy such godly institutions as marriage and the scouts.

The problems we are facing today with the moral decline of our society are not our politics. The politics are merely a symptom of the greater spiritual problem facing this country which has largely abandoned God.

Ephesians 6:12
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

 

[unionmom]

The difference I see between the corporations and the leaders ... the corporations never looked my kid in the eyes and asked him to trust them. They never took my kid camping, they never taught my kid how to tie knots, or read a compass, or save himself if he got lost in the woods. The corporations never taught him how to work with others to get a job done. The corporations are faceless businesses that can't let my kid down. The adults that are walking away before they even see if this will have a direct impact on them are letting these boys down. IMHO

My son has never been a boy scout. He was a cub scout for a very brief period. That ended completely due to one comment from one scout leader that he's never forgotten. I think overall the scouts are a great organization. My son decided on his own that it wasn't for him. However, he's learned those kinds of things without any corporate help.

My comment was to those asking the corporations to look the boys in the eyes, etc. Certainly wasn't suggesting that boys couldn't learn the lessons without the BSA.

 

[naturegirl]

I will agree with Mathetes, this has absolutely nothing to do with the BSA Program. MrsJR, so proud of your husband going forward. :love

 

[Guard Dad]

I will agree with Mathetes, this has absolutely nothing to do with the BSA Program. MrsJR, so proud of your husband going forward. :love

And the big drive over same-sex marriage isn't really about same-sex marriage. It's a tool to form political alliances and empower people who wouldn't otherwise have that kind of influence.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I will agree with Mathetes, this has absolutely nothing to do with the BSA Program. MrsJR, so proud of your husband going forward. :love

And the big drive over same-sex marriage isn't really about same-sex marriage. It's a tool to form political alliances and empower people who wouldn't otherwise have that kind of influence.

Or could one be about discrimination and the other marital (legal)rights? :whistle

Not all things are a conspiracy by liberals. :dunno

 

[Guard Dad]

I will agree with Mathetes, this has absolutely nothing to do with the BSA Program. MrsJR, so proud of your husband going forward. :love

And the big drive over same-sex marriage isn't really about same-sex marriage. It's a tool to form political alliances and empower people who wouldn't otherwise have that kind of influence.

Or could one be about discrimination and the other marital (legal)rights? :whistle

Not all things are a conspiracy by liberals. :dunno

Like the abortion issue, the same-sex marriage issue has been hijacked by political powers and used to get votes. Most of the real power behind same-sex marriage couldn't care less about the actual cause.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

I'm guessing now if a BS gets lost in the woods, cuddling with a same sex animal to stay warm is ok?

 

[ShoeDiva]

I will agree with Mathetes, this has absolutely nothing to do with the BSA Program. MrsJR, so proud of your husband going forward. :love

And the big drive over same-sex marriage isn't really about same-sex marriage. It's a tool to form political alliances and empower people who wouldn't otherwise have that kind of influence.

Or could one be about discrimination and the other marital (legal)rights? :whistle

Not all things are a conspiracy by liberals. :dunno

Like the abortion issue, the same-sex marriage issue has been hijacked by political powers and used to get votes. Most of the real power behind same-sex marriage couldn't care less about the actual cause.

Maybe the powers behind it are not, but I really do believe those (public) that are fighting for it are fighting with good intentions.

 

[Guard Dad]

I'm guessing now if a BS gets lost in the woods, cuddling with a same sex animal to stay warm is ok?

Were you OK with it before?

 

[Madea]

I'm guessing now if a BS gets lost in the woods, cuddling with a same sex animal to stay warm is ok?

Who's gonna check?

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Re: Re: Boy Scouts

I'm guessing now if a BS gets lost in the woods, cuddling with a same sex animal to stay warm is ok?

Were you OK with it before?

BS.....boy scout not blazing saddles.