Boy Scouts

[Blazing Saddles]

I suspect the scouts will take a hit from all segments: financial, enrollment, and support. They will probably pick up some in others places but I think over time, the scouts will begin to diminish as we know it. It's a shame.

 

[naturegirl]

I suspect the scouts will take a hit from all segments: financial, enrollment, and support. They will probably pick up some in others places but I think over time, the scouts will begin to diminish as we know it. It's a shame.

I agree with this, the membership hits they will take will be far greater than the loss of funding. Boy Scouts will survive but with much less significance. I know people that have been life long scouters that are just shaking their heads, walking away.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I suspect the scouts will take a hit from all segments: financial, enrollment, and support. They will probably pick up some in others places but I think over time, the scouts will begin to diminish as we know it. It's a shame.

I agree with this, the membership hits they will take will be far greater than the loss of funding. Boy Scouts will survive but with much less significance. I know people that have been life long scouters that are just shaking their heads, walking away.

Do you believe it is this area though? I just happened to read (while looking at the wedsite Mrs.JR posted) that the Mormons which have the largest amount of scouts backed the decision.

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/state-and-regional/boy-scouts-mormon-bond-remains-intact/article_c8e86cdd-29b5-5092-8288-6e9313c18ba4.html

 

[unionmom]

I suspect the scouts will take a hit from all segments: financial, enrollment, and support. They will probably pick up some in others places but I think over time, the scouts will begin to diminish as we know it. It's a shame.

I agree with this, the membership hits they will take will be far greater than the loss of funding. Boy Scouts will survive but with much less significance. I know people that have been life long scouters that are just shaking their heads, walking away.

And in my opinion it is a darn shame that they would take such an active roll in harming an organization that they loved for so long without even waiting to to see if it has any impact on them in any way, shape, or form. How many openly gay scouts do you suppose there are in Paulding County, GA? And yet how many adults are going to let how many kids go without their leadership, experience, guidance, etc. because of a knee-jerk reaction to something that has no direct impact on them? If you love something so much, if you've believed in it for so long, how can you just walk away without even waiting to see?

I just don't get it.

 

[Madea]

I suspect the scouts will take a hit from all segments: financial, enrollment, and support. They will probably pick up some in others places but I think over time, the scouts will begin to diminish as we know it. It's a shame.

I agree with this, the membership hits they will take will be far greater than the loss of funding. Boy Scouts will survive but with much less significance. I know people that have been life long scouters that are just shaking their heads, walking away.

And in my opinion it is a darn shame that they would take such an active roll in harming an organization that they loved for so long without even waiting to to see if it has any impact on them in any way, shape, or form. How many openly gay scouts do you suppose there are in Paulding County, GA? And yet how many adults are going to let how many kids go without their leadership, experience, guidance, etc. because of a knee-jerk reaction to something that has no direct impact on them? If you love something so much, if you've believed in it for so long, how can you just walk away without even waiting to see?

I just don't get it.

I do understand where you are coming from? But, what if the decision violates their personal core values? What if the ones walking away are simply being true to themselves?

 

[naturegirl]

I suspect the scouts will take a hit from all segments: financial, enrollment, and support. They will probably pick up some in others places but I think over time, the scouts will begin to diminish as we know it. It's a shame.

I agree with this, the membership hits they will take will be far greater than the loss of funding. Boy Scouts will survive but with much less significance. I know people that have been life long scouters that are just shaking their heads, walking away.

Do you believe it is this area though? I just happened to read (while looking at the wedsite Mrs.JR posted) that the Mormons which have the largest amount of scouts backed the decision.

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/state-and-regional/boy-scouts-mormon-bond-remains-intact/article_c8e86cdd-29b5-5092-8288-6e9313c18ba4.html

I'm very familiar with the Mormon's stance on this. But what some fail to realize is the Mormon's accept gay parishioners, as long as they are not engaging in homosexual behavior. When you come to the Mormon faith, you must not act on your sexual desires until you are married, Mormon's do not accept gay marriage.

Sex has no basis in the Scouts, these are kids that should not be engaging in any sexual activities while being involved in a Scouting Event.

People don't understand, it has very little to do with sexuality and a whole lot to do with money.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I suspect the scouts will take a hit from all segments: financial, enrollment, and support. They will probably pick up some in others places but I think over time, the scouts will begin to diminish as we know it. It's a shame.

I agree with this, the membership hits they will take will be far greater than the loss of funding. Boy Scouts will survive but with much less significance. I know people that have been life long scouters that are just shaking their heads, walking away.

And in my opinion it is a darn shame that they would take such an active roll in harming an organization that they loved for so long without even waiting to to see if it has any impact on them in any way, shape, or form. How many openly gay scouts do you suppose there are in Paulding County, GA? And yet how many adults are going to let how many kids go without their leadership, experience, guidance, etc. because of a knee-jerk reaction to something that has no direct impact on them? If you love something so much, if you've believed in it for so long, how can you just walk away without even waiting to see?

I just don't get it.

I do understand where you are coming from? But, what if the decision violates their personal core values? What if the ones walking away are simply being true to themselves?

I see both your points.

I am right with UM on the not getting just walking away and with Madea I see where someone could believe that being true to your values is an honorable thing and they should just walk away, but my only problem with that is why? That is one part that they might not believe should be allowed, but does that negate all the rest? I am sure these men have always had gay scouts and I am sure they made a difference in their lives. I understand standing for what you believe in, but besides openly allowing them, has anything really changed? Are they asking them to do anything different? You (general) are around people in many organizations (work, churches, schools) that are gay. I would think most scout leaders over the years have had boys that they thought might be or could possibly be gay. Did they say or do anything different then? (now we know in some places they have or this issue would not have come up, but I am speaking generally and for here)

Just some questions I have thought were interesting to know the answers to because I have thought about those leaders that have said, "well now I am leaving."

 

[ShoeDiva]

I suspect the scouts will take a hit from all segments: financial, enrollment, and support. They will probably pick up some in others places but I think over time, the scouts will begin to diminish as we know it. It's a shame.

I agree with this, the membership hits they will take will be far greater than the loss of funding. Boy Scouts will survive but with much less significance. I know people that have been life long scouters that are just shaking their heads, walking away.

Do you believe it is this area though? I just happened to read (while looking at the wedsite Mrs.JR posted) that the Mormons which have the largest amount of scouts backed the decision.

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/state-and-regional/boy-scouts-mormon-bond-remains-intact/article_c8e86cdd-29b5-5092-8288-6e9313c18ba4.html

I'm very familiar with the Mormon's stance on this. But what some fail to realize is the Mormon's accept gay parishioners, as long as they are not engaging in homosexual behavior. When you come to the Mormon faith, you must not act on your sexual desires until you are married, Mormon's do not accept gay marriage.

Sex has no basis in the Scouts, these are kids that should not be engaging in any sexual activities while being involved in a Scouting Event.

People don't understand, it has very little to do with sexuality and a whole lot to do with money.

I agree sex should not have anything to do with scouts, look at their ages! I knew from friends that they preach no sex until marriage and that they do not accept homosexual marriage, but I was just asking if this big exodus that people are speaking of (in many forums, blogs, papers) is more in a certain area, like predominantly conservative, bible belt, etc.

I understand money was a huge factor. No organization can function without sponsors, but I did ask before, I am not sure if the BSA looked into trying to find sponsors that were okay with their stance or they just decided to change it and try to retain or get back the ones they have/had? Do you know? (I did try to find the answer, but everyone is so wrapped up in this decision I am not sure how many google pages I would have to go through to find it!)

 

[unionmom]

If they have no openly gay boys in their pack/troop is it a good stand to make? There is no direct impact on them yet they let all those boys down.

 

[Madea]

I see both your points.

I am right with UM on the not getting just walking away and with Madea I see where someone could believe that being true to your values is an honorable thing and they should just walk away, but my only problem with that is why? That is one part that they might not believe should be allowed, but does that negate all the rest? I am sure these men have always had gay scouts and I am sure they made a difference in their lives. I understand standing for what you believe in, but besides openly allowing them, has anything really changed? Are they asking them to do anything different? You (general) are around people in many organizations (work, churches, schools) that are gay. I would think most scout leaders over the years have had boys that they thought might be or could possibly be gay. Did they say or do anything different then? (now we know in some places they have or this issue would not have come up, but I am speaking generally and for here)

Just some questions I have thought were interesting to know the answers to because I have thought about those leaders that have said, "well now I am leaving."

All valid questions that only the person making that decision could answer.

IMHO, sexuality shouldn't be a part of Scouts at all.

 

[mathetes]

We've already received one resignation from a scout leader that is chartered by a Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is also pulling it's charter. And so it begins.

I personally hope many others follow suit. The BS took their stance on the issue and acted accordingly, fair enough. Now sponsors can decide their stance and do likewise, also fair enough. If I were a scout leader I would resign immediately, if I were on the church committee I would vote to rescind sponsorship. If my church voted to continue sponsorship I would look for a new church home. I'm sure I'm not alone in this position but even if I am, fair enough.

I agree. This decision is a direct violation of the Boy Scout oath and therefore undermines their very reason for existence.

 

[mei lan]

And in my opinion it is a darn shame that they would take such an active roll in harming an organization that they loved for so long without even waiting to to see if it has any impact on them in any way, shape, or form. How many openly gay scouts do you suppose there are in Paulding County, GA? And yet how many adults are going to let how many kids go without their leadership, experience, guidance, etc. because of a knee-jerk reaction to something that has no direct impact on them? If you love something so much, if you've believed in it for so long, how can you just walk away without even waiting to see?

I just don't get it.

I'm not really wanting to wade into a big brouhaha here, but I gotta go with UM on this. BSA is not a religious organization, as I understand it, even though reliance on God (or a higher power) is part of their structure...kind of like AA. It's an organization that promotes the development of fine young men with both strong character and practical knowledge. I fail to see how allowing gay kids* to participate damages that in any way. In fact, it seems to me that if a kid is confused or questioning or need support or whatever, that that kid remaining in the Scouts just might put him on the right path for the rest of his life. Somebody (was it LTD or stradial?) said the other day, if there's ever a place for DADT, this is it.

* Really? Gay kids? Two words that should not appear together, if for no other reason than it can't be truly established at a young age. Yes, I'm sure there are a lot of kids under 18 who may turn out to really be gay. But I'm guessing the majority of kids who say they are gay are simply unhappy, feel like outcasts, come from bad home environments, are experimenting with shock value, etc. Until a child reaches adulthood, I don't think any real diagnosis (for lack of a better word) could be established for any kid.

 

[unionmom]

Agreed, madea

 

[mathetes]

This decision is a direct violation of the Boy Scout oath and therefore undermines their very reason for existence. I hope the southern baptist convention pushes the RA's as an alternative for those leaving the BSA.

 

[mei lan]

IMHO, sexuality shouldn't be a part of Scouts at all.

I could not agree more.

 

[ShoeDiva]

This decision is a direct violation of the Boy Scout oath and therefore undermines their very reason for existence. I hope the southern baptist convention pushes the RA's as an alternative for those leaving the BSA.

Exactly what is their reason for existence and has this stayed exactly the same in the last 100+ years? And what is RA?

 

[mei lan]

This decision is a direct violation of the Boy Scout oath and therefore undermines their very reason for existence. I hope the southern baptist convention pushes the RA's as an alternative for those leaving the BSA.

Exactly what is their reason for existence and has this stayed exactly the same in the last 100+ years? And what is RA?

RA stands for Royal Ambassador (I think) and is a boy org of the Southern Baptists. Kinda like Boy Scouts, but with a more overt religious bent. Also not nearly so rigorous as Boy Scouts, or the ones I've known of weren't, anyway.

 

[mathetes]

This decision is a direct violation of the Boy Scout oath and therefore undermines their very reason for existence. I hope the southern baptist convention pushes the RA's as an alternative for those leaving the BSA.

Exactly what is their reason for existence and has this stayed exactly the same in the last 100+ years? And what is RA?

Their motto is as follows:


On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

By not taking a stand against that which God condemns they are not doing their duty toward God, nor keeping themselves morally straight.

 

[lotstodo]

Re: Re: Boy Scouts

This decision is a direct violation of the Boy Scout oath and therefore undermines their very reason for existence. I hope the southern baptist convention pushes the RA's as an alternative for those leaving the BSA.

Exactly what is their reason for existence and has this stayed exactly the same in the last 100+ years? And what is RA?

Their motto is as follows:


On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

By not taking a stand against that which God condemns they are not doing their duty toward God, nor keeping themselves morally straight.

Which God?

Sent from a small screen using fat thumbs.

 

[mathetes]

Re: Re: Boy Scouts

This decision is a direct violation of the Boy Scout oath and therefore undermines their very reason for existence. I hope the southern baptist convention pushes the RA's as an alternative for those leaving the BSA.

Exactly what is their reason for existence and has this stayed exactly the same in the last 100+ years? And what is RA?

Their motto is as follows:


On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

By not taking a stand against that which God condemns they are not doing their duty toward God, nor keeping themselves morally straight.

Which God?

Sent from a small screen using fat thumbs.

The God that 80 percent of the people in this country profess to believe in.