Boy Scouts

[gog8tors]

This decision is a direct violation of the Boy Scout oath and therefore undermines their very reason for existence. I hope the southern baptist convention pushes the RA's as an alternative for those leaving the BSA.

Both the RA, and GA programs are different the the scout programs. Both are missions based programs. The closer program might be AWANAS.
I was in GS, and GAs. about the only thing both programs had in common was God, country, and service. Other then that they are both very different.

 

[mei lan]

This decision is a direct violation of the Boy Scout oath and therefore undermines their very reason for existence. I hope the southern baptist convention pushes the RA's as an alternative for those leaving the BSA.

Both the RA, and GA programs are different the the scout programs. Both are missions based programs. The closer program might be AWANAS.
I was in GS, and GAs. about the only thing both programs had in common was God, country, and service. Other then that they are both very different.

You 'splained that way better than me. :soashamed

 

[ShoeDiva]

This decision is a direct violation of the Boy Scout oath and therefore undermines their very reason for existence. I hope the southern baptist convention pushes the RA's as an alternative for those leaving the BSA.

Both the RA, and GA programs are different the the scout programs. Both are missions based programs. The closer program might be AWANAS.
I was in GS, and GAs. about the only thing both programs had in common was God, country, and service. Other then that they are both very different.

Thanks!

 

[gog8tors]

This decision is a direct violation of the Boy Scout oath and therefore undermines their very reason for existence. I hope the southern baptist convention pushes the RA's as an alternative for those leaving the BSA.

Both the RA, and GA programs are different the the scout programs. Both are missions based programs. The closer program might be AWANAS.
I was in GS, and GAs. about the only thing both programs had in common was God, country, and service. Other then that they are both very different.

You 'splained that way better than me. :soashamed

:love

 

[Blazing Saddles]

I used to be an RA.

As a royal ambassador, I will do my best
To become a well informed responsible follower of Christ.
To have a Christ like concern for all people, and to learn how the message of Christ is carried around the world.
To work with others and sharing Christ and to keep myself clean and healthy in mind and body.

 

[mathetes]

This decision is a direct violation of the Boy Scout oath and therefore undermines their very reason for existence. I hope the southern baptist convention pushes the RA's as an alternative for those leaving the BSA.

Both the RA, and GA programs are different the the scout programs. Both are missions based programs. The closer program might be AWANAS.
I was in GS, and GAs. about the only thing both programs had in common was God, country, and service. Other then that they are both very different.

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[lotstodo]

Re: Re: Boy Scouts

This decision is a direct violation of the Boy Scout oath and therefore undermines their very reason for existence. I hope the southern baptist convention pushes the RA's as an alternative for those leaving the BSA.

Exactly what is their reason for existence and has this stayed exactly the same in the last 100+ years? And what is RA?

Their motto is as follows:


On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

By not taking a stand against that which God condemns they are not doing their duty toward God, nor keeping themselves morally straight.

Which God?

Sent from a small screen using fat thumbs.

The God that 80 percent of the people in this country profess to believe in.

"A Scout is Reverent. He is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties and respects the convictions of others in matters of custom and religion." - 12th point of Scout Law, 1910

"The Boy Scouts of America maintain that no boy can grow into the best kind of citizenship, without recognizing his obligation to God. . . . The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe, and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings is necessary to the best type of citizenship and is a wholesome thing in the education of the growing boy. . . . The Boy Scouts of America therefore recognize the religious element in the training of a boy, but it is absolutely non-sectarian in its attitude toward that religious training." - John L Alexander, The Boy Scout Handbook; 1911

What can I tell you, the founders differ with your opinion.

 

[mathetes]

Re: Re: Boy Scouts

This decision is a direct violation of the Boy Scout oath and therefore undermines their very reason for existence. I hope the southern baptist convention pushes the RA's as an alternative for those leaving the BSA.

Exactly what is their reason for existence and has this stayed exactly the same in the last 100+ years? And what is RA?

Their motto is as follows:


On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

By not taking a stand against that which God condemns they are not doing their duty toward God, nor keeping themselves morally straight.

Which God?

Sent from a small screen using fat thumbs.

The God that 80 percent of the people in this country profess to believe in.

"A Scout is Reverent. He is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties and respects the convictions of others in matters of custom and religion." - 12th point of Scout Law, 1910

"The Boy Scouts of America maintain that no boy can grow into the best kind of citizenship, without recognizing his obligation to God. . . . The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe, and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings is necessary to the best type of citizenship and is a wholesome thing in the education of the growing boy. . . . The Boy Scouts of America therefore recognize the religious element in the training of a boy, but it is absolutely non-sectarian in its attitude toward that religious training." - John L Alexander, The Boy Scout Handbook; 1911

What can I tell you, the founders differ with your opinion.

That just means that it does not subscribe to any specific denomination, not that it rejects or is neutral to all denominations as that would render the oath meaningless.

 

[Guard Dad]

IMHO, sexuality shouldn't be a part of Scouts at all.

I could not agree more.

X3

And this is where my issue with this lies. This decision by the scouts made sexuality a part of scouting. Bad move.

 

[lotstodo]

Definition of NONSECTARIAN
: not having a sectarian character : not affiliated with or restricted to a particular religious group

Definition of NONDEMININATIONAL
: not having a sectarian character : not affiliated with or restricted to a particular group having a distinctive interpretation of a religious faith and usually its own organization

 

[gog8tors]

This decision is a direct violation of the Boy Scout oath and therefore undermines their very reason for existence. I hope the southern baptist convention pushes the RA's as an alternative for those leaving the BSA.

Both the RA, and GA programs are different the the scout programs. Both are missions based programs. The closer program might be AWANAS.
I was in GS, and GAs. about the only thing both programs had in common was God, country, and service. Other then that they are both very different.

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Still a missions based program. Like I said I was a GA. and that was many, many moons ago. If the RAs also do the camping, badges etc. then great.

 

[Mrs. Jack Russell]

Our church's leadership team will meet with my husband (the Scoutmaster) and the Asst. Scoutmasters who are members of our church on Wednesday to determine what will happen to our troop. Please pray for this troop. We have about 40 boys in the troop and about 20 leaders who will be affected. I pray that this policy will not affect our troop.

There are so many ways this could go. No matter which way it goes my husband is a fighter and we will have a troop. Troop 321 will continue even if we have to get a different sponsor. What I think and hope will happen is that we can continue to be out of our church, but it is a Southern Baptist Church. If the Southern Baptist Association comes down with a policy of it's own, things may have to change.

My husband says that he can not let down the boys in his troop and I am so proud of him. He did say some in house policies may have to change such as 1 to a tent to provide the boys with the safety and privacy they need. Also even with having to abide by the policy, he will fight for the boys if an older male (16-17 years old) who states he is gay and has no Boy Scout background and wants to join the troop. If it's obvious they are joining to just cause trouble. I don't know how he is going to do this, but why would a 16 or 17 year old boy want to start in Boy Scouts? But we will just have to see as time goes by how all of this will play out.

I am very upset with the ones who are bailing out on these boys. The policy doesn't even come into effect until the first of the year. My opinion is that why bail on the 40 boys in our troop? Is it just to make a stand? It sure does not help our boys. Why bail out for something that may never happen in our troop. It could start Jan 2014, but it may never happen.

Anyway my personal opinion a sin is a sin......there probably have been many gay boy scouts in the past.....and why is it about sex in the first place?

 

[mathetes]

IMHO, sexuality shouldn't be a part of Scouts at all.

I could not agree more.

X3

And this is where my issue with this lies. This decision by the scouts made sexuality a part of scouting. Bad move.

I agree.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Our church's leadership team will meet with my husband (the Scoutmaster) and the Asst. Scoutmasters who are members of our church on Wednesday to determine what will happen to our troop. Please pray for this troop. We have about 40 boys in the troop and about 20 leaders who will be affected. I pray that this policy will not affect our troop.

There are so many ways this could go. No matter which way it goes my husband is a fighter and we will have a troop. Troop 321 will continue even if we have to get a different sponsor. What I think and hope will happen is that we can continue to be out of our church, but it is a Southern Baptist Church. If the Southern Baptist Association comes down with a policy of it's own, things may have to change.

My husband says that he can not let down the boys in his troop and I am so proud of him. He did say some in house policies may have to change such as 1 to a tent to provide the boys with the safety and privacy they need. Also even with having to abide by the policy, he will fight for the boys if an older male (16-17 years old) who states he is gay and has no Boy Scout background and wants to join the troop. If it's obvious they are joining to just cause trouble. I don't know how he is going to do this, but why would a 16 or 17 year old boy want to start in Boy Scouts? But we will just have to see as time goes by how all of this will play out.

I am very upset with the ones who are bailing out on these boys. The policy doesn't even come into effect until the first of the year. My opinion is that why bail on the 40 boys in our troop? Is it just to make a stand? It sure does not help our boys. Why bail out for something that may never happen in our troop. It could start Jan 2014, but it may never happen.

Anyway my personal opinion a sin is a sin......there probably have been many gay boy scouts in the past.....and why is it about sex in the first place?

Thank your husband for standing by the boys. :thumbsup

 

[mathetes]

Definition of NONSECTARIAN
: not having a sectarian character : not affiliated with or restricted to a particular religious group

Definition of NONDEMININATIONAL
: not having a sectarian character : not affiliated with or restricted to a particular group having a distinctive interpretation of a religious faith and usually its own organization

The statistic I heard was that seventy percent of Boy Scout troops are sponsored by churches. Now this is a private organization, so they can do what they want, but you cannot expect these church sponsors are not going to take a principled stand on this issue.

 

[ShoeDiva]

IMHO, sexuality shouldn't be a part of Scouts at all.

I could not agree more.

X3

And this is where my issue with this lies. This decision by the scouts made sexuality a part of scouting. Bad move.

I think we all agree on that point. We are speaking of children.

I will google today, but if anyone knows right off hand, jump in, what brought this up anyway? Was this all the doing of one or two leaders that told a child to get out after finding out or is this preemptive in case anyone wants to join?
I do not remember if that came up when companies withdrew their money because I was mostly focused on the fact that both parties (corporation and BSA) were private and could do what they wanted.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Definition of NONSECTARIAN
: not having a sectarian character : not affiliated with or restricted to a particular religious group

Definition of NONDEMININATIONAL
: not having a sectarian character : not affiliated with or restricted to a particular group having a distinctive interpretation of a religious faith and usually its own organization

The statistic I heard was that seventy percent of Boy Scout troops are sponsored by churches. Now this is a private organization, so they can do what they want, but you cannot expect these church sponsors are not going to take a principled stand on this issue.

It is, but as I wrote earlier the largest (430,000+ boys) are chartered through the LDS and they are okay with the new policy.
http://www.scouting.org/About/FactSheets/operating_orgs.aspx

 

[mathetes]

IMHO, sexuality shouldn't be a part of Scouts at all.

I could not agree more.

X3

And this is where my issue with this lies. This decision by the scouts made sexuality a part of scouting. Bad move.

I think we all agree on that point. We are speaking of children.

I will google today, but if anyone knows right off hand, jump in, what brought this up anyway? Was this all the doing of one or two leaders that told a child to get out after finding out or is this preemptive in case anyone wants to join?
I do not remember if that came up when companies withdrew their money because I was mostly focused on the fact that both parties (corporation and BSA) were private and could do what they wanted.

The BSA caved and put money over principle under the threat of corporations withdrawing their support.

 

[ShoeDiva]

IMHO, sexuality shouldn't be a part of Scouts at all.

I could not agree more.

X3

And this is where my issue with this lies. This decision by the scouts made sexuality a part of scouting. Bad move.

I think we all agree on that point. We are speaking of children.

I will google today, but if anyone knows right off hand, jump in, what brought this up anyway? Was this all the doing of one or two leaders that told a child to get out after finding out or is this preemptive in case anyone wants to join?
I do not remember if that came up when companies withdrew their money because I was mostly focused on the fact that both parties (corporation and BSA) were private and could do what they wanted.

The BSA caved and put money over principle under the threat of corporations withdrawing their support.

Many already withdrew their support based on the policy of not allowing homosexuals verses their policy of no discrimination. (both valid choices because both organizations can do as they wish) So you are saying it was preemptive to not lose others? (and maybe get back those lost.)

 

[lotstodo]

Certainly every sponsor has the right to end their sponsorship for whatever reason they choose. But I would like to see them to do this: I would like every adult who made the decision to drop these boys to have to look each one of them individually in the eye. I want them to explain to them that they can't teach them the qualities that make them a good citizen and a good man. They can't learn the qualities of leadership, cooperation and understanding while enjoying nature and having fun. They won't be given the experiences of a young boy's life. Tell them that they cannot be given these gifts, because if they were given these gifts, the boy down the street who is different would have be given the same gifts.

So go ahead and exercise your rights. Just understand that the Christian boy whose heart you are breaking, the boy you are looking at, will be the one punished by that decision, not the Godless homosexuals.

With that, I will leave this discussion to people who seem for the most part, IMO, to be far more concerned with their own motives than the lives of the boys that Scouting is supposed to serve. Peace Out.