A conversation about race
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honeybunny
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LisaC said:
1. The reason that I did not take offense... SG is a good egg and I think her comments were misunderstood and taken out of context.
2. "White people" do not have all that much influence in the "black culture" where it concerns the fundamental inner city
problems of violent crime, fatherless children, street gangs, drug culture, fundamental illiteracy, and 40% unemployment.
3. I grew up in a progressive integrated midwestern city in the late 1970's and I have never seen racial discord this bad.
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NG was suppose tp ock it up on her way home from walmartBlazing Saddles said:
LisaC
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honeybunny said:LisaC said:
1. The reason that I did not take offense... SG is a good egg and I think her comments were misunderstood and taken out of context.
2. "White people" do not have all that much influence in the "black culture" where it concerns the fundamental inner city
problems of violent crime, fatherless children, street gangs, drug culture, fundamental illiteracy, and 40% unemployment.
3. I grew up in a progressive integrated midwestern city in the late 1970's and I have never seen racial discord this bad.
I grew up in middle Georgia in the mid to late 1980s and it has always been this bad. The media just puts it out there more now. Back in the day, we still had two of everything at our school - a black homecoming queen, a white homecoming queen, a black class president, a white class president, a black valedictorian, a white valedictorian, and so on...
Actually, it was worse back then because if a white kid and a black kid ever caught dating, there were serious consequences (from the parents, teachers, AND the community).
ShoeDiva
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honeybunny said:1. The reason that I did not take offense... SG is a good egg and I think her comments were misunderstood and taken out of context.
2. "White people" do not have all that much influence in the "black culture" where it concerns the fundamental inner city
problems of violent crime, fatherless children, street gangs, drug culture, fundamental illiteracy, and 40% unemployment.
3. I grew up in a progressive integrated midwestern city in the late 1970's and I have never seen racial discord this bad.
Could you respond to the highlighted? I am really at a loss for anything stated being taken out of context. Now I can understand misunderstood, but she said it was just how she feels. :dunno That is what I have been wanting her to respond to. I have never thought her a bad egg and why I asked fifty billion pages
) ago if that is really what she meant in general. Or just situational.
honeybunny
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LisaC said:honeybunny said:LisaC said:
1. The reason that I did not take offense... SG is a good egg and I think her comments were misunderstood and taken out of context.
2. "White people" do not have all that much influence in the "black culture" where it concerns the fundamental inner city
problems of violent crime, fatherless children, street gangs, drug culture, fundamental illiteracy, and 40% unemployment.
3. I grew up in a progressive integrated midwestern city in the late 1970's and I have never seen racial discord this bad.
I grew up in middle Georgia in the mid to late 1980s and it has always been this bad. The media just puts it out there more now. Back in the day, we still had two of everything at our school - a black homecoming queen, a white homecoming queen, a black class president, a white class president, a black valedictorian, a white valedictorian, and so on...
Actually, it was worse back then because if a white kid and a black kid ever caught dating, there were serious consequences (from the parents, teachers, AND the community).
We have had very different experiences due to geography... that is an interesting angle.
Most folks would be surprised at the rich cultural and racial diversity of the Great Plains.
I grew up in south Georgia in the last 70's early 80's. It may surprise people but it wasn't too bad back then and IMO it has improved since. There are good and bad people in every lot, always has been and always will be. The trick is to select a prime lot. Trashy people attract other trash, no matter what background. It starts at home, if it's broken there then the chitterlings start out with a disadvantage. If someone thinks it's a good idea walk in downtown Atlanta in the wee hours of the night then good luck to them and they deserve whatever outcome they may get. While race relations have improved over the years, our public school systems (especially in inner cities) have not kept up with the pace.
honeybunny
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ShoeDiva said:honeybunny said:1. The reason that I did not take offense... SG is a good egg and I think her comments were misunderstood and taken out of context.
2. "White people" do not have all that much influence in the "black culture" where it concerns the fundamental inner city
problems of violent crime, fatherless children, street gangs, drug culture, fundamental illiteracy, and 40% unemployment.
3. I grew up in a progressive integrated midwestern city in the late 1970's and I have never seen racial discord this bad.
Could you respond to the highlighted? I am really at a loss for anything stated being taken out of context. Now I can understand misunderstood, but she said it was just how she feels. :dunno That is what I have been wanting her to respond to. I have never thought her a bad egg and why I asked fifty billion pages
I say what I mean and I mean what I say... let it be.
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ShoeDiva
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honeybunny said:ShoeDiva said:honeybunny said:1. The reason that I did not take offense... SG is a good egg and I think her comments were misunderstood and taken out of context.
2. "White people" do not have all that much influence in the "black culture" where it concerns the fundamental inner city
problems of violent crime, fatherless children, street gangs, drug culture, fundamental illiteracy, and 40% unemployment.
3. I grew up in a progressive integrated midwestern city in the late 1970's and I have never seen racial discord this bad.
Could you respond to the highlighted? I am really at a loss for anything stated being taken out of context. Now I can understand misunderstood, but she said it was just how she feels. :dunno That is what I have been wanting her to respond to. I have never thought her a bad egg and why I asked fifty billion pages
I say what I mean and I mean what I say... let it be.
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That is fine. I just wondered.
lotstodo
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Somewhere, way back there, St Radial mentioned "them". I've had that conversation with an old business partner and friend of mine who just happens to be Black. He is well educated, well spoken, well mannered, and a Libertarian businessman who left government employ to become, as we jokingly put it, a slum lord.
When I first knew him, maybe 25 years ago, he lived in Midtown in a bachelor pad and worked for the state. He left and bought several houses in the Grant Park area, moving into one and renting the rest, some section 8. This was his first exposure to "them", having come from a middle class Black family that lived in Cascade Heights in the 60's and 70's. Long story short, he has since used the term "them" as shorthand for the gang/criminal/welfare cheating/lazy no count element that was becoming concentrated south of I-20. They just so happened to be the same skin color as he was, but he "discriminates" against them openly and wholeheartedly. He jokingly says that he would be thrown in jail by Eric Holder if he were white.
He now owns property in better parts of town, some still in Grant Park, and his renters are nearly all Black. But he has seen to it that none of "them" get inside the door. As for his personal home, he has married late in life and moved to a mixed race neighborhood right here in Paulding County to get away from "them", but he still must occasionally have a conversation with some of the youngsters in the neighborhood about becoming a good citizen or one of "them". He openly admits that none of his white neighbors could have that conversation with the "yutes", and that he may himself someday pay the price for trying to teach them to "discriminate" between the good and bad influences in their lives.
So there definitely is a them. There is a them that, as Madea says, we of light skin have no influence over. There is a them, that in my opinion, are being catered to by the Race Pimps inside and outside Washington for their own purposes, purposes that are not in the interest of "them" or us. Us being the law abiding hard working citizens of all races. Perhaps the most unfortunate thing is that my friend is often mistaken for one of "them", particularly when we are just knocking around in our shorts on a Saturday afternoon at Home Depot. It's much easier to see the color of one's skin than the content of their character. Had the so called Black Leadership concentrated on the later rather than the former after Dr. King's death, we would probably be in a much better place today.
When I first knew him, maybe 25 years ago, he lived in Midtown in a bachelor pad and worked for the state. He left and bought several houses in the Grant Park area, moving into one and renting the rest, some section 8. This was his first exposure to "them", having come from a middle class Black family that lived in Cascade Heights in the 60's and 70's. Long story short, he has since used the term "them" as shorthand for the gang/criminal/welfare cheating/lazy no count element that was becoming concentrated south of I-20. They just so happened to be the same skin color as he was, but he "discriminates" against them openly and wholeheartedly. He jokingly says that he would be thrown in jail by Eric Holder if he were white.
He now owns property in better parts of town, some still in Grant Park, and his renters are nearly all Black. But he has seen to it that none of "them" get inside the door. As for his personal home, he has married late in life and moved to a mixed race neighborhood right here in Paulding County to get away from "them", but he still must occasionally have a conversation with some of the youngsters in the neighborhood about becoming a good citizen or one of "them". He openly admits that none of his white neighbors could have that conversation with the "yutes", and that he may himself someday pay the price for trying to teach them to "discriminate" between the good and bad influences in their lives.
So there definitely is a them. There is a them that, as Madea says, we of light skin have no influence over. There is a them, that in my opinion, are being catered to by the Race Pimps inside and outside Washington for their own purposes, purposes that are not in the interest of "them" or us. Us being the law abiding hard working citizens of all races. Perhaps the most unfortunate thing is that my friend is often mistaken for one of "them", particularly when we are just knocking around in our shorts on a Saturday afternoon at Home Depot. It's much easier to see the color of one's skin than the content of their character. Had the so called Black Leadership concentrated on the later rather than the former after Dr. King's death, we would probably be in a much better place today.
honeybunny
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lotstodo said:
That last part was beautiful.
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LisaC
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I agree with this, but we cannot leave out the fact that while there is a "them," there is also an "us." You know, us white people who think that as long as we have one black friend we can tell people about they won't think we're racist; us white people who think that it's okay to use the "n" word as long as black folks don't hear us; us white people who think that as long as we can validate our views by saying that it is the disintegration of the African American famly that we can sit back and do nothing...lotstodo said:
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