Boss 302
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Unvaxed people are the ones who catch it and spread it. Natural immunity is nothing more than the strongest will survive.
The Mandate
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If you believe the unvaxxed are a threat to you, then you can't have much faith in the vaccine.
A friend messaged me a couple of days ago...her fully vaxxed husband caught it and gave it to her (She's unvaxxed due to a medical condition).
Don't buy into the Dem's campaign of division.
Natural immunity (from having had COVID) is better than the vaccine. Plenty of scientific data to prove it. Even Fauci thought natural immunity was the way until the vaccine came out and big money ruled.
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Boss 302
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I have more faith in the vaccine than I do not being vaccinated. I'm also a realist that no vaccine ever created is 100% effective. The moderna vaccine is 96% effective on the original strain of the virus; meaning 4 out of 100 vaccinated people were likely to get it. Now we have two variants out there and there's not enough data to say how effective the vaccines are against them.
If you believe in science like you say you do, then you have to recognize the fact viruses mutate because they are still passed on from one person to the next. That's the importance of vaccines, to stop the spread and the mutations.
The virus mutates to survive. Meaning...when it can no longer make people sick, it drops back and re-arms. Immunity, whether from the vaccine or natural antibodies, is what causes mutations. Not the unvaccinated.
I will also point out again that NONE of the variants have come from the U.S.. That means none of our unvaccinated people caused the mutations.
Don't buy into the Dem's campaign of division.
Boss 302
Pursuit Driver
I'm going by what I read from scientists and doctors; not politicians.
I am as well. I've done extensive research and spoken with several in the medical field.
Again...not a single variant has come from this country. The unvaccinated are not your enemy.
The Sound Guy
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You are giving the virus too much credit for intelligence. Vaccine Immunity just speeds up natural selection of the mutations that occur naturally.
A virus can mutate any time it's reproduced. It reproduces in anyone who has the illness, vaccinated or not. The more reproductions, the more likely a mutation if the RNA/DNA strands are weak.
The RNA/DNA in the virus strand can be weak or stronger depending on the virus. Smallpox, measles, and other major virus are strong and haven't changed in many years. Thus, the same vaccine you got years ago can still protect you and we've pretty much wiped out the virus here. Covid (it appears), Flu, common cold, mutate often, and the antibodies formed against one mutation may or may not activate against another mutation.
That mutation can make the virus less likely / unable to infect people and the mutation dies out. The mutation can make the virus last longer in air before dying, thus make it easier to catch. The mutation can make the virus attack different parts of the body and make it more deadly, even if it doesn't change it's ability to infect people. The mutation can make the virus look different enough to the antibodies (vaccine or naturally created) that you can be infected again. If it does the last, then we have another outbreak, immunity or not and it will become the primary strain because the other versions can't reproduce as much. We will never know how many mutations have occurred that failed.
If we have a vaccine that protects against the Alpha and Beta strands, those find it harder and harder to find a host to reproduce in and die out.
If we have a vaccine that only partially protects against Delta, then it can reproduce more than Alpha and Beta, even in the vaccinated, and become the primary strain. If we reach herd immunity before another mutation can occur, then it's great, because without lots of cases, the chance of a mutation goes down greatly. But if a mutation occurs that allows the new strain to get around the antibodies of the vaccine or natural antibodies, the circle starts again and we have another wave of cases.
The virus isn't reacting to any pressure, natural selection is allowing the mutation with the best attack to succeed.
Now, and you will want to get your tin foil hat out for this part I'll admit, I'll note that for years many new Flu seems to mostly come from China to the world. Was this an accident or has China been testing viral attack for years? Now covid show up. a form of flu -- how hard would it have been for them to breed various mutations of the Covid virus and every few months fly a new version to some part of the world and release it so they don't get pegged as the source? There is no way for us to tell if the mutation was in the wild or in a lab somewhere. Then they claim the virus is causing their chip manufacturing to fail, so they can't sell us items our industry needs thus wreaking our economy and society more? You don't hear people complaining about the trade deficit or what China is doing in Hong Kong now do you?
This whole thing seems to be giving China everything they ever wanted too much for me not to have doubts.
I guess I did make the virus sound too smart. But clearly, there are some other factors involved in the mutation or we would be having some variants come from this country.
I also think these viruses coming out of China are no accident. And the timing of this one was far too convenient. Trump knew what China was up to and he was going after them. Then COVID 19 hit and it reshaped the world, not to mention our government and economic system.
I also think these viruses coming out of China are no accident. And the timing of this one was far too convenient. Trump knew what China was up to and he was going after them. Then COVID 19 hit and it reshaped the world, not to mention our government and economic system.
Back on the notion of antivaxxers being Trumpers...
Here's a good article on that. When Trump was still president, a lot of prominent Democrats spoke out against the vaccine because it was seen as "Trump's vaccine". My how they have changed their tune all because of politics.
www.foxnews.com
Here's a good article on that. When Trump was still president, a lot of prominent Democrats spoke out against the vaccine because it was seen as "Trump's vaccine". My how they have changed their tune all because of politics.
Trump says Dems 'disparaged' COVID-19 vaccine while he was president: 'Now they wonder why' some are hesitant
EXCLUSIVE: Former President Trump blamed Democrats for COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy among some Americans, saying they “disparaged” the vaccine when he was president.
www.foxnews.com
Boss 302
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So Democrats were speaking out against the vaccines while Trump was president. It's just another example of how the Dems politicize the pandemic.Back on the notion of antivaxxers being Trumpers...
Here's a good article on that. When Trump was still president, a lot of prominent Democrats spoke out against the vaccine because it was seen as "Trump's vaccine". My how they have changed their tune all because of politics.
Trump says Dems 'disparaged' COVID-19 vaccine while he was president: 'Now they wonder why' some are hesitant
EXCLUSIVE: Former President Trump blamed Democrats for COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy among some Americans, saying they “disparaged” the vaccine when he was president.
Once again, I know a lot of Trumpers here in White County that believe covid is a hoax and refuse to get the vaccine because they believe it has a tracking device in it.
To be clear, I'm not saying some Trump supporters are not antivaxxers. Only that they are not antivaxxers because they are Trump supporters.
Trump has been all about developing and taking the vaccine, so there's no reason their allegiance to Trump would be the root of their anti-vax position.
Many evangelicals oppose the vaccine due to the fetal cells in it. Now...per my understanding, the mRNA vaccines do not contain any directly aborted fetal cells, but they do apparently contain fetal cells grown from fetal tissue aborted decades ago. So maybe that blurs the lines somewhat, I suppose a Christian would just need to seek guidance from God on that one.
The J&J vaccine does use aborted fetal cells, per what I have read. But I wouldn't get that one anyway, if I did get the jab today I would get the Pfizer or Moderna. But again, I'm somewhat hopeful for the Novavax vaccine that should hopefully be approved soon. Early test results are impressive. I feel like my natural antibodies from having had the WuFlu will give me the time to be selective. If this virus does continue on long term, there's a good chance I will get vaccinated at some point, depending on what the latest science says about natural immunity.
As to COVID being a hoax...I of all people know that isn't true. However, it has been used to further certain agendas. I suspect you can agree with that. And I do think the vaccine is being used as a political weapon.
Radiohead
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It's not the shot they track it is the card you have to carry and show, just like in any communist country.
honeybunny
Pursuit Driver
My decision to not vaccinate has everything to do with following the science and absolutely nothing to do with politics...
Not everyone needs the vaccine :
Not Everyone Wants To Be Vaccinated. I’m OK With That
Respecting medical freedom of choice means respecting people's right to refuse vaccination.
www.forbes.com
honeybunny
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honeybunny
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The vaccine does not prevent infection or transmission of the virus...
It only protects you from hospitalization and that level of
protection depends on age and on a healthy immune system.
Seems this administration takes liberties with "the science"
COVID-19 vaccine boosters unnecessary for most, say FDA advisers reportedly resigning over issue
COVID-19 vaccine boosters unnecessary for most, say FDA advisers reportedly resigning over issue
COVID-19 vaccine boosters unnecessary for most, say FDA advisers reportedly resigning over issue
Available evidence doesn’t yet indicate a need for COVID-19 vaccine booster shots among the general population, an international group of scientists said Monday, including two senior FDA officials reportedly stepping down from their posts over a disagreement with the White House on the...
www.foxnews.com
COVID-19 vaccine boosters unnecessary for most, say FDA advisers reportedly resigning over issue
Available evidence doesn’t yet indicate a need for COVID-19 vaccine booster shots among the general population, an international group of scientists said Monday, including two senior FDA officials reportedly stepping down from their posts over a disagreement with the White House on the...
www.foxnews.com
Chris Christie: Harris is original COVID-19 vaccine skeptic
As the Biden administration pushes a new vaccine mandate, Kamala Harris' integrity is brought into question. She's been taking heat for flip-flopping on vaccines from her run for vice president to now pushing for those mandates.
www.oann.com
The Sound Guy
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Well of course! When it was Trump's Vax, it was evil, but Biden's Vax is manditory. Can't you see?Chris Christie: Harris is original COVID-19 vaccine skeptic
As the Biden administration pushes a new vaccine mandate, Kamala Harris' integrity is brought into question. She's been taking heat for flip-flopping on vaccines from her run for vice president to now pushing for those mandates.
Back when the WuFlu first hit, Fauci said we would have to reach herd immunity to beat this. No vaccines in sight at the time.
Earlier this year he said Herd immunity is no longer the goal
In an interview today about the mandates, Fauci indicated it's only through the vaccines that we'll reach herd immunity. When asked about natural immunity, he said "I don't have a really firm answer for you on that. That's something that we're going to have to discuss regarding the durability of the response," Fauci said.".
news.yahoo.com
Dr. Fauci, the top virologist in the United States, doesn't have a firm answer for that? Am I the only one calling BS? He was caught of guard.
Again, this post is not antivax, it's about the obvious shift in policy from needing natural herd immunity to "the vaccine is our only hope".
Personally, I think both the vaccine and natural immunity can contribute to herd immunity. I was watching FOX earlier, and one of the reporters quoted stats that would indicate if we add the vaccinated numbers to those with natural immunity, about 85% of Americans have some immunity, and that percentage should put us at herd immunity now. If this is true, why is the Biden administration raising the red flag with these mandates?
I smell a rat. I still think it's to change the narrative away from the Afghanistan debacle.
Earlier this year he said Herd immunity is no longer the goal
MSN
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In an interview today about the mandates, Fauci indicated it's only through the vaccines that we'll reach herd immunity. When asked about natural immunity, he said "I don't have a really firm answer for you on that. That's something that we're going to have to discuss regarding the durability of the response," Fauci said.".
Fauci lacks 'firm answer' on COVID-19 natural immunity question
Dr. Anthony Fauci said he did not have a "firm answer" when asked if natural immunity offered better protection from COVID-19 than the vaccine.
Dr. Fauci, the top virologist in the United States, doesn't have a firm answer for that? Am I the only one calling BS? He was caught of guard.
Again, this post is not antivax, it's about the obvious shift in policy from needing natural herd immunity to "the vaccine is our only hope".
Personally, I think both the vaccine and natural immunity can contribute to herd immunity. I was watching FOX earlier, and one of the reporters quoted stats that would indicate if we add the vaccinated numbers to those with natural immunity, about 85% of Americans have some immunity, and that percentage should put us at herd immunity now. If this is true, why is the Biden administration raising the red flag with these mandates?
I smell a rat. I still think it's to change the narrative away from the Afghanistan debacle.
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