The Mandate

Not sure why the mandate.

I was informed today that while I was on vacation one of my fully vaccinated employees ( who is under 24 years old) got Covid. They are fine and had no problems from the illness (under 25 year olds usually do not have any side effects.)

Why does it matter if we get the jab or not?

None of the employees who had covid last year have gotten it again. The jab does not mean anything with the Indian variant-Delta. However I have read many times, those who have had Covid are not getting the Delta.

I would like to remind everyone who says the non vaxed caused the variant... it did not come from America, it came from India... the false outrage is really annoying.

According to WHO, the following countries all had more Covid cases AND deaths in August 2021 than August 2020 (full vax rate in parentheses):

U.S. (52.8)
Israel (64.1)
UK (64.1)
Germany (61.3)
Canada (68)

The following countries did not:
Sweden (59.9)
India (12.2)


Experts always forget to include SWEDEN (no masks, no lockdown) and INDIA (only 18% fully vaxxed) in their charts because it doesn't suit their narrative...
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OK I am by no means an analyst when it comes to statistics. The argument that vaccinated people are getting infected would be of concern to me also. However while I don't follow Eric Erickson (sp) I do listen to WSB sometimes while driving. He had an explanation about percentages that enlightened me considerably. If the jab gives 90% immunity after the second shot it does not equate to you personally having 90% immunity. According to him the industry numbers actually equates to 90% of all people in the test group will develop 100% immunity while 10% will have no immunity. This explains the infections among the inoculated. Apparently there would be resistance to other strains also but at what level is unknown at this time. Again I am not sure if this interpretation is correct but I found it very insightful. Interesting enough that I am going to research some myself to confirm or deny this interpretation of the numbers. It answers a lot of questions if it is correct.
 
Boss 302 said:
How will it hurt the big companies? The shots are free. Do you think the majority of people who work for these companies are going to quit and go to work for smaller businesses? I don't think that will happen.

The federal government plays a big role in public health. I suggest you do a little research on this because I'll be surprised if the SCOTUS overturns this mandate.

Here's one thing I don't understand about the diehard Trump supporters as they are the majority who refuse to get the vaccination. These vaccines were the result of the push Trump gave for them. Trump got the vaccines and he has encouraged people to get them. Unfortunately, a large percentage of the right has fallen into the trap of believing conspiracy theories. Talk about Democratic supporters being dumb. We have just as many who vote Republican.
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I'm surprised at you buying into this lie that most antivaxxers are Trump supporters. It was Trump who got the vaccines developed and I believe he and his family have been vaccinated. This is just political BS from the Dems.

Fact is. minorities are some of the largest groups opposed to the vaccine, and they certainly tend to NOT be Trump supporters.

But yes, for whatever reason, many in my industry oppose the vaccine and adamantly so. Many will leave their jobs if the vaccine is mandated. They can easily move to smaller contractors who are under the threshold.
 
The Sound Guy said:
My opinion is to follow the money. You can get the shot or get tested every week. Both of which feed big bucks to big pharma. Is this about health or about money?
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I'm pretty sure money is a big factor. This whole attitude from our government that it's vaccine and vaccine only or else bothers me a lot. Many other countries recognize natural immunity, but here it's vaccine only. The science does not support that.

Let's go back a little over a year. Faucci and crew were saying herd immunity was the only way to beat this thing. We don't hear about that anymore; they only want to talk about getting everyone vaccinated.
 
I cannot speak for everyone but the vast majority of anti-vaxxers I personally know are die hard Trumpers. I have to agree with Boss on that one. Now I obviously don't know that many people in the big scheme of things and I am not speaking for the minorities but in my personal world 95% of the antis are Trumpers. Did any of you get vaccinated for measles? Mumps? Polio? aren't most of these local government mandates to attend public school?
 
I am fully vaccinated with all required shots which were mandatory 50 years ago. I also received multiple shots during my Army days prior to be deployed overseas, on one occasion receiving four shots from different shot guns simultaneously so to consider me anti-vaxx is incorrect. When I left the Army I vowed to never receive another vaccine again, mainly because that was when I “awakened” to the fact that our goobermint doesn’t always have our best interests at heart and definitely doesn’t give one rip about you or your family and that was well before Trump was on the scene. I don’t take the yearly flu shot and I haven’t had a tetanus shot in over 30 years.

BTW, the Queen and all of our kids were fully vaccinated until Covid arrived too and our middle daughter and her husband as well as my brother and his family and my father have received both rounds of the covid vaccine. We are not an anti-vaxx family, we just have legitimate concerns over the safety and long term effects of it at this point. At one point we may change our position but it will not be because of a mandate. By then hopefully others options will become available or, even better, the virus will be gone and there will be no need for anything.
 
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Stonewall said:
I cannot speak for everyone but the vast majority of anti-vaxxers I personally know are die hard Trumpers. I have to agree with Boss on that one. Now I obviously don't know that many people in the big scheme of things and I am not speaking for the minorities but in my personal world 95% of the antis are Trumpers. Did any of you get vaccinated for measles? Mumps? Polio? aren't most of these local government mandates to attend public school?
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I didn't get the MMR vaccine because it didn't exist. I was one of the 200,000 kids to get the Salk vaccine before it was fully approved. I was inoculated for Smallpox and I think Whooping cough. Of note is the Smallpox. Since then it has been eradicated from the public domain.
This is not to say that Covid vaccine will rid the world, only make it more difficult for it to find a host where it can flourish. Those of us who have gotten the shots can still be infected by the virus just like just like those people with natural antibodies. At that point it is up to your body to recognize that virus and attack it. How quickly your body does this is the key to how serious of a case you get, and if you have other health factors the virus has a better chance of making you much sicker.
For those that think mRNA isn't safe because it hasn't been thoroughly tested, nonsense! It's been around for thirty years,,, now don't you think that over thirty years that someone could find at least one instance of the process being unhealthy, causing organ failure or some type of brain disorder,,, it would be all over the news. mRNA is very safe, safer than the people giving that shots no doubt.

Anti vaxers - Yes there is a 'request/requirement' for children to have basic shots be fore entering school. However anyone can claim religious preference and they will waive the shots, which it is why I say 'request/requirement'. There is no question that childhood shots do carry risks, a couple of years ago the flu shot in infants was causing meningitis, and MMR vaccine has brought on Autism, (don't believe me, I'll take you to a little boy in Paulding it happened to), however the mass majority have no problem which keeps the diseases from roaring through the schools each year.

The problem I have with people these days is that they make up their minds, then go looking for data that supports their mindset. People, Tic-Toc is not a reputable source, nor is Facebook, Twitter or 50% of the internet. I would not believe anything WHO, CDC or the government shills say,,, and therein lies the problem.
 
I 100% disagree with any govt mandate to get vaccinated against COVID-19. It is not the govt's place to make those decisions.

I 100% agree that individual companies should be able to require employees and customers be vaccinated or provide proof of having already recovered from having COVID. That isn't to say I like such mandates, but I think companies have the right to run their business how they see fit.

As a middle aged fatty (no other known health conditions...well, except for that farting problem), I know COVID doesn't like fat people so I got the Pfizer vaccine. I recommend that everyone get vaccinated, but I also understand that everyone has to make that decision for themselves. Having said that, in my little slice of the world, the only people I know of who have been hospitalized or died from COVID in the last 6 months were all unvaccinated. There are also countless stories reporting on the overwhelming majority of current ICU patients being unvaccinated (or having not had COVID before). Yes, I'm smart enough to know many of these stories are promoted more than alternative stories, but it is hard to argue with actual numbers being released by hospitals.

Then you come across sad stories like the one linked below about a 48 year old woman who was reluctant to get the vaccine and her nephew reluctant to push her too hard to get it. She died and now he regrets not pushing harder.

time.com

I Didn't Want to Push My Aunt to Get the Vaccine. Now I Live With Regrets

"It can’t be real. How can she be gone?"
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Nobody knows with 100% certainty that these vaccines are 100% safe and won't ultimately cause problems. This is true and anyone that says otherwise is lying to you. However, to this point, they have proven safe and effective for 99+% of those that got them.
 
Stonewall said:
I cannot speak for everyone but the vast majority of anti-vaxxers I personally know are die hard Trumpers. I have to agree with Boss on that one.
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Black people are only about 30% vaccinated.

I don't think a lot of them are Trumpers.
 
Guard Dad said:
Black people are only about 30% vaccinated.

I don't think a lot of them are Trumpers.
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I believe in my post I plainly stated that I cannot speak for minorities. I also stated the vast majority of people "I know personally" that are anti are Trumpers this is true in my world and I know a lot of Trumpers.
 
Guard Dad said:
I'm surprised at you buying into this lie that most antivaxxers are Trump supporters. It was Trump who got the vaccines developed and I believe he and his family have been vaccinated. This is just political BS from the Dems.

Fact is. minorities are some of the largest groups opposed to the vaccine, and they certainly tend to NOT be Trump supporters.

But yes, for whatever reason, many in my industry oppose the vaccine and adamantly so. Many will leave their jobs if the vaccine is mandated. They can easily move to smaller contractors who are under the threshold.
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I'm going by where I live. Everyone I have talked to here who has not been vaccinated say they all voted for Trump, one of them being my brother-in-law. My father was a Trump supporter. You were a Trump supporter and never got the vaccine; why?
 
Guard Dad said:
I'm pretty sure money is a big factor. This whole attitude from our government that it's vaccine and vaccine only or else bothers me a lot. Many other countries recognize natural immunity, but here it's vaccine only. The science does not support that.

Let's go back a little over a year. Faucci and crew were saying herd immunity was the only way to beat this thing. We don't hear about that anymore; they only want to talk about getting everyone vaccinated.
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Perhaps the reason for pushing for people to get vaccinated here is to reduce the number of deaths occurring among those who get covid and were not vaccinated. How does the science not support that? I read a lot and what I'm seeing is the science saying there are only two ways to achieve herd immunity and that's vaccines and surviving after getting covid.
 
Boss 302 said:
I'm going by where I live. Everyone I have talked to here who has not been vaccinated say they all voted for Trump, one of them being my brother-in-law. My father was a Trump supporter. You were a Trump supporter and never got the vaccine; why?
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I was a reluctant Trump supporter. I did not vote for him in the 2016 primary, but he became the only real choice at some point. I've been as critical of his am anyone here.

I just wanted the vaccine to have some time to be proven. It was rushed out and that bothered me. And I was doing well against the WuFlu until the variants hit, so maybe I got a bit overconfident. I've already said that if I could go back in time I probably would have gotten it. I don't now because I have very strong antibodies. And I want to see how the Novavax pans out.

A lot of conservatives are opposed to the virus, so are many evangelicals. That most of them are Trump supporters is coincidental. This notion that antivaxxers are mostly Trumpers is Democrat propaganda.
 
Boss 302 said:
Perhaps the reason for pushing for people to get vaccinated here is to reduce the number of deaths occurring among those who get covid and were not vaccinated. How does the science not support that? I read a lot and what I'm seeing is the science saying there are only two ways to achieve herd immunity and that's vaccines and surviving after getting covid.
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When was the last time you heard Fauci, Biden or the CDC chair mention natural immunity?

It's been pretty much taken off the board in the US, and that is not supported by science. The money trail supports it though.
 
Wanna see how well the Democrat's campaign of division over the vaccine is working?

It's even dividing very smart conservatives here.

Now do you guys get what they are doing?
 
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I have friends and family members who are both vaxxed and unvaxxed, that’s just fine with me. We missed our grandson’s 2nd birthday party yesterday mainly because of covid fears. We did get to enjoy him over FaceTime though and now he has insisted on FaceTiming with us two more times since then. I will not allow this issue to break any existing bonds, especially when technology now allows for many alternative options. Instead of focusing on the virus we need to be focused on what “they” don’t want us to see.
 
Yep, vaxxed or unvaxxed should be fine. Let people make their own choices and don't persecute them for it.

The unvaxxed are not our enemy, that's just divisive talk from the left. Remember, all the variants came from other countries.

Let freedom ring!
 
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