cptlo
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I figured it might add to the discussion.
Interesting polls
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I figured it might add to the discussion.
I think it made Boss a little horny.
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How do you get anything nasty out of that? Good grief man.
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Sometimes you can be pretty disgusting.
Regarding the poll indicating some won't vote for Trump now...I wouldn't put much stock in it just yet. This revelation is still sinking in, and there have been a few manipulated polls out in recent weeks, all from the left.
Also, there could be some who were on the fence that will vote for Trump now. Many of the talking heads feel like this just clinched the election for Trump.
As I stated yesterday, we're on uncharted territory here, none of us know what the net outcome will be, other than it's getting very nasty in D.C.
Probably have to wait at least a week or two until we can get the pulse of the nation.
What do I want out of this? I want Joe Biden and the Democrats out of power, and the legal system out of politics. Elections are supposed to be about the will of The People, not the agenda of those in power.
Also, there could be some who were on the fence that will vote for Trump now. Many of the talking heads feel like this just clinched the election for Trump.
As I stated yesterday, we're on uncharted territory here, none of us know what the net outcome will be, other than it's getting very nasty in D.C.
Probably have to wait at least a week or two until we can get the pulse of the nation.
What do I want out of this? I want Joe Biden and the Democrats out of power, and the legal system out of politics. Elections are supposed to be about the will of The People, not the agenda of those in power.
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Why would the left manipulate polls? Would it be to influence the decisions of voters? If you recognize the fact the left can manipulate polls, then you must recognize the right can do the same thing. Those taking the polls can do the same thing. A very rich person or an organization can do the same thing. These are things a few of us have been telling you for months now and you seemed to deny it, especially the polls you appeared to favor.
Well, I've only explained this about a hundred times here. There have always been phony polls and still are. Sometimes their purpose is to influence public opinion.
Anyone interested in accuracy will learn who the legitimate pollsters are, and as a further measure look for multiple pols from the more respected pollsters with similar results. At that point, it's usually safe to put some stock in this consensus. This is why I generally post the poll averages from RCP instead of just referencing individual polls, doing so has some amount of built-in accountability.
When there are outliers, as there often are, it's best to be skeptical of them, at least unless other polls start to confirm their results.
Do you remember 2-3 weeks ago when I mentioned several news agencies were running a story claiming "a new poll" showed Biden had taken a strong lead over Trump? I checked each time and that poll was an outlier that never agreed with the preponderance of the other polls. The pollster behind that was Reuters/Ipsos.
Out of curiosity, I just checked to see who the pollster behind the article cptlo posted was. What a surprise, it came from Reuters/Ipsos.
Celebrating over a single poll just because it aligns with one's own feelings is probably not wise, and I would caution everyone to not do that.
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Well, we saw the MSM go left and start reporting news to support a liberal agenda. We seen companies go left to and support the left's agenda. Who's to say many of these "legitimate" pollsters aren't doing the same? You're familiar with that old saying, "Money talks, BS walks."
That's right, money talks. And the pollsters who get paid big bucks for polling must be accurate or they won't continue to paid. The polls we see and are published by the media are secondary information; their primary customers are with business and political campaigns.
In contrast, the polls ran by colleges and possibly news media might be done for other reasons than profit, meaning they don't have the same financial pressures to be accurate.
I get it...you don't like the polls showing Trump leading because you don't like Trump. Just remember, if Trump isn't leading, that means Biden is. Perhaps you should reevaluate your priorities.
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Polls can be manipulated to influence people's decisions even when it comes to voting. Early on when primaries begin, many have no idea who they want to vote for. Many will pick the candidate who is leading in the polls. I know someone here posted here early in the primaries he had no idea who he was going to vote for, then turn around and say he was going to support who was in the lead because he had the best chance of winning, then turn around again and say he hadn't made up his mind yet. How do you know the polls weren't manipulated to get those who hadn't made up their minds to go with who was leading in the polls? After all who doesn't want to support the "winner," right? Then when that candidate wins because the polls were manipulated, the polls were right, correct?
Are you aware of how much effort you're putting into spinning this just to justify your emotional feelings about Trump?
If the current polls were showing DeSantis about to be elected king, you would think they were amazing.
Of interest...this same pollster has Biden 2 points in the lead in a Trump vs Biden match-up, where most of the other show Trump in the lead.
I don't see where they have a poll for a 5-way race.
Another poll for the same time period (30-31st) has Trump 2 points ahead. Frankly, I doubt if either are important so soon after the verdict. I suspect we'll need at least a week for accurate post-trial polls, if not longer. Emotions are high right now, people need time to process this mess.
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I have Business degree and an MBA. In marketing classes we learned how polls can be manipulated. If I want a poll to show Biden leads Trump, I do most of my polling in cities like Chicago, Detroit, NYC, and LA. I can fudge the numbers to say 1,700 people were polled from across the country and 20% of those polled identified as independents, 40% Democrats, and 40% Republican and you wouldn't have a clue the numbers were fudged and the results manipulated. If you think these things aren't done, then think again.
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The two polls are within the margin of error as most of the polls in this race are. That makes it all a very close race.
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Obviously Fox News viewed the poll as legit or they wouldn't have reported it.
Four polls Sat and Sunday. There are just 2-way (Trump vs Biden), and not much different from the prior polls.
I still think it's too early to get a gauge on this, people are still processing it.
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I still think it's too early to get a gauge on this, people are still processing it.
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A lot of people on Facebook are doing that for their profile pic. Granted, they are probably hardcore Trump supporters, so might not indicate any change in support.
I just wish folks could get past their feelings about Trump and realize the danger in what happened here. This country was already divided, and this likely makes it worse.
Anyone who is a student of history should know what usually happens when leaders try and divide the citizens.
MudFlap
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Here's who we need to worry about..
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice..... Well, we can't let'em have that third swing at the plate
