What do we do with the airport?

LisaC

LisaC

I'm here to spin the moral compass.
I don't dare try to ask this on the other site - there is entirely too much name calling and other unnecessary stuff coming from both sides of the issue. So, it seems like any use of the airport is making some folks unhappy, but we have it, so what should be done with it?

Anyone? :dunno
 
Bring in manufacturing, aerospace industry and other industry. The original plan that no one knew how to administer. Let Jamie Gilbert take over and it will have all those things while remaining a general aviation airport.

If they couldn't get it right the first time what makes anyone believe they have the ability to get it right this time. Why spend another 38 million dollars (the figure they used yesterday) before they realize it's not going to work.

BTW, Blake's numbers for every single project are way below actual costs. I don't believe he really knows how to figure actual cost vs some number he averages from somewhere else.
 
naturegirl said:
Bring in manufacturing, aerospace industry and other industry. The original plan that no one knew how to administer. Let Jamie Gilbert take over and it will have all those things while remaining a general aviation airport.

If they couldn't get it right the first time what makes anyone believe they have the ability to get it right this time. Why spend another 38 million dollars (the figure they used yesterday) before they realize it's not going to work.

BTW, Blake's numbers for every single project are way below actual costs. I don't believe he really knows how to figure actual cost vs some number he averages from somewhere else.
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How do you attract those folks if the community doesn't want to see the airport grow - is there some way to entice a manufacturer to come here knowing that they might be faced with community opposition if they later need bigger facilities? And what about those folks that want to see the airport grow? I admit that it would be kind of nice to grab a flight out of Paulding to a nice vacation spot and avoid the long lines at Hartsfield. How do you get the two sides to meet in the middle? Or, is there a middle ground?

Again, these questions have been answered in many different ways on the other site, but folks can't discuss things over there without name-calling. I'm concerned that if that continues to be the case, those folks in the community who are in the middle on the airport are going to get frustrated and walk away.
 
FTR, I'm not against the airport growing but I don't like the back door deals and the short end of the stick agreements our county is getting into. That airport is for the county (us taxpayers) to profit from. Use it wisely and not a political tool. Bring in manufacturing and other high dollar jobs. Market that airport for easy access of private jets and small props. Heck, I'm not against a larger plane here and there but don't sell us out. The taxpayers pockets should get lined before a politician.
 
We have to make something happen at the airport, whether we should have one or not doesn't matter, we do. That ship has sailed.
I do not have the answers, if I did, I would have the cushy government job and be a hero to millions.
(or thousand, or hundreds, or our animals, someone)
We all know that no matter what is done with the airport, there will be those who are unhappy and against it, going both ways.
Those who say we shouldn't be doing it and those who say we aren't doing enough.

But whatever we do, my biggest concern is that it is done upfront and with a plan in place listing where we are now, where we wish to be in the future; 1 yr, 5 yrs, 10 yrs, 15 yrs, etc.
Business does it all the time, why not our county business?

I do understand that there may be some reasons for keeping negotiations on the down low, but once we have a plan, let's be upfront and roll it out.

While this will never quiet all detractors (again on both ends of the spectrum), it will show to the majority of us in the middle what we are doing, what our plan is, where we expect to go and how we intend to get there.

Of course, I could be wrong about all of the above.
:dunno
 
LisaC said:
How do you attract those folks if the community doesn't want to see the airport grow - is there some way to entice a manufacturer to come here knowing that they might be faced with community opposition if they later need bigger facilities? And what about those folks that want to see the airport grow? I admit that it would be kind of nice to grab a flight out of Paulding to a nice vacation spot and avoid the long lines at Hartsfield. How do you get the two sides to meet in the middle? Or, is there a middle ground?

Again, these questions have been answered in many different ways on the other site, but folks can't discuss things over there without name-calling. I'm concerned that if that continues to be the case, those folks in the community who are in the middle on the airport are going to get frustrated and walk away.
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That was one concern I had when it was brought up. With the lawsuits flying around ( ;D ) why would anyone come here? I am not saying people do not have a right to file them, but if I was looking at a county I might not want to take on one that has shown opposition to plans with lawsuits.
 
I am not against industry or jobs, never have been. Why do people assume that because we are against commercial aircraft we don't want industry? We don't need 737s flying in and out of that airport to bring growth and viable jobs.

I've said many, many times Rome, Rockmart, Cedartown and little towns in between have been pretty good about bringing in manufacturing, even aerospace industry without a commercial airport there.
 
stradial said:
We have to make something happen at the airport, whether we should have one or not doesn't matter, we do. That ship has sailed.
I do not have the answers, if I did, I would have the cushy government job and be a hero to millions.
(or thousand, or hundreds, or our animals, someone)
We all know that no matter what is done with the airport, there will be those who are unhappy and against it, going both ways.
Those who say we shouldn't be doing it and those who say we aren't doing enough.

But whatever we do, my biggest concern is that it is done upfront and with a plan in place listing where we are now, where we wish to be in the future; 1 yr, 5 yrs, 10 yrs, 15 yrs, etc.
Business does it all the time, why not our county business?

I do understand that there may be some reasons for keeping negotiations on the down low, but once we have a plan, let's be upfront and roll it out.

While this will never quiet all detractors (again on both ends of the spectrum), it will show to the majority of us in the middle what we are doing, what our plan is, where we expect to go and how we intend to get there.

Of course, I could be wrong about all of the above.
:dunno
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:))

I do not disagree with you.
 
Blazing Saddles said:
FTR, I'm not against the airport growing but I don't like the back door deals and the short end of the stick agreements our county is getting into. That airport is for the county (us taxpayers) to profit from. Use it wisely and not a political tool. Bring in manufacturing and other high dollar jobs. Market that airport for easy access of private jets and small props. Heck, I'm not against a larger plane here and there but don't sell us out. The taxpayers pockets should get lined before a politician.
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This is how I feel.
 
ShoeDiva said:
LisaC said:
How do you attract those folks if the community doesn't want to see the airport grow - is there some way to entice a manufacturer to come here knowing that they might be faced with community opposition if they later need bigger facilities? And what about those folks that want to see the airport grow? I admit that it would be kind of nice to grab a flight out of Paulding to a nice vacation spot and avoid the long lines at Hartsfield. How do you get the two sides to meet in the middle? Or, is there a middle ground?

Again, these questions have been answered in many different ways on the other site, but folks can't discuss things over there without name-calling. I'm concerned that if that continues to be the case, those folks in the community who are in the middle on the airport are going to get frustrated and walk away.
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That was one concern I had when it was brought up. With the lawsuits flying around ( ;D ) why would anyone come here? I am not saying people do not have a right to file them, but if I was looking at a county I might not want to take on one that has shown opposition to plans with lawsuits.
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Why would you even say that? Seriously the lawsuits were filed because they are changing the game plan from general aviation to commercial without any citizen input. They don't know how to bring in industry so they sold out to the lowest bidder with no history of ever running an airport. To a company that was rejected by two other counties in Georgia.
 
naturegirl said:
I am not against industry or jobs, never have been. Why do people assume that because we are against commercial aircraft we don't want industry? We don't need 737s flying in and out of that airport to bring growth and viable jobs.

I've said many, many times Rome, Rockmart, Cedartown and little towns in between have been pretty good about bringing in manufacturing, even aerospace industry without a commercial airport there.
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But what if we want to improve upon what those cities did and have the capabilities for some passenger service? Again, I'm trying to find a middle ground here.
 
naturegirl said:
ShoeDiva said:
LisaC said:
How do you attract those folks if the community doesn't want to see the airport grow - is there some way to entice a manufacturer to come here knowing that they might be faced with community opposition if they later need bigger facilities? And what about those folks that want to see the airport grow? I admit that it would be kind of nice to grab a flight out of Paulding to a nice vacation spot and avoid the long lines at Hartsfield. How do you get the two sides to meet in the middle? Or, is there a middle ground?

Again, these questions have been answered in many different ways on the other site, but folks can't discuss things over there without name-calling. I'm concerned that if that continues to be the case, those folks in the community who are in the middle on the airport are going to get frustrated and walk away.
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That was one concern I had when it was brought up. With the lawsuits flying around ( ;D ) why would anyone come here? I am not saying people do not have a right to file them, but if I was looking at a county I might not want to take on one that has shown opposition to plans with lawsuits.
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Why would you even say that? Seriously the lawsuits were filed because they are changing the game plan from general aviation to commercial without any citizen input. They don't know how to bring in industry so they sold out to the lowest bidder with no history of ever running an airport. To a company that was rejected by two other counties in Georgia.
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Huh? I said it because that is how I feel. What is wrong with that? I do not see huge corporations not taking that under consideration. I did not say the lawsuits are wrong, but I do believe they will be looked at if we are considered a good location for someone. They could have concerns that they could wind up in lawsuits. Is that not a reasonable assumption?
 
LisaC said:
naturegirl said:
I am not against industry or jobs, never have been. Why do people assume that because we are against commercial aircraft we don't want industry? We don't need 737s flying in and out of that airport to bring growth and viable jobs.

I've said many, many times Rome, Rockmart, Cedartown and little towns in between have been pretty good about bringing in manufacturing, even aerospace industry without a commercial airport there.
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But what if we want to improve upon what those cities did and have the capabilities for some passenger service? Again, I'm trying to find a middle ground here.
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Regardless of what you have been told, there are many houses very close to the airport and in the approach area. I know most of you haven't been past the airport in a while but there are 2-3000 homes withing a 3 1/2 mile radius of this airport. There are several hundred people at the end of the runway that have to deal with lights and planes, helicopters at all hours of the day and night now. What about the poor guy or policeman/fireman that works second or third shift and needs to sleep in the day time? The fire marshall stated at a BOC meeting the new fire house would service 1400 homes, that's a lot of houses on the front side of that airport. The back side is serviced by Yorkville Firestation and the South end by Union. You can't see some of the homes because it is still very wooded.

I pass the houses and subdivisions every day, I know the people that live in them. We didn't need commercial service in 2008, we were promised jobs, jobs, jobs. Build it and they will come. Well guess what bringing in commercial service will only add additional tax burdens to every single homeowner in Paulding, even the ones that live the furthest away.

It's about quality of life and more taxpayer dollars being thrown again down that money pit, just like the movie studio.
 
naturegirl said:
ShoeDiva said:
LisaC said:
How do you attract those folks if the community doesn't want to see the airport grow - is there some way to entice a manufacturer to come here knowing that they might be faced with community opposition if they later need bigger facilities? And what about those folks that want to see the airport grow? I admit that it would be kind of nice to grab a flight out of Paulding to a nice vacation spot and avoid the long lines at Hartsfield. How do you get the two sides to meet in the middle? Or, is there a middle ground?

Again, these questions have been answered in many different ways on the other site, but folks can't discuss things over there without name-calling. I'm concerned that if that continues to be the case, those folks in the community who are in the middle on the airport are going to get frustrated and walk away.
Click to expand...

That was one concern I had when it was brought up. With the lawsuits flying around ( ;D ) why would anyone come here? I am not saying people do not have a right to file them, but if I was looking at a county I might not want to take on one that has shown opposition to plans with lawsuits.
Click to expand...

Why would you even say that? Seriously the lawsuits were filed because they are changing the game plan from general aviation to commercial without any citizen input. They don't know how to bring in industry so they sold out to the lowest bidder with no history of ever running an airport. To a company that was rejected by two other counties in Georgia.
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That could be a very real concern if someone started "thinking" about moving their business to Paulding, noting that the airport could be an asset to them, but then found out about the lawsuits. I would hope that anyone with any real business sense would at least look into what the lawsuits are about and find out what started that process...but then again...if they did, they might decide not to move to a community where AA officials and county commissioners did things behind closed doors.
 
It has become my understanding that "we the people" do not have any say on the future plans for the airport.
 
deewee said:
naturegirl said:
ShoeDiva said:
LisaC said:
How do you attract those folks if the community doesn't want to see the airport grow - is there some way to entice a manufacturer to come here knowing that they might be faced with community opposition if they later need bigger facilities? And what about those folks that want to see the airport grow? I admit that it would be kind of nice to grab a flight out of Paulding to a nice vacation spot and avoid the long lines at Hartsfield. How do you get the two sides to meet in the middle? Or, is there a middle ground?

Again, these questions have been answered in many different ways on the other site, but folks can't discuss things over there without name-calling. I'm concerned that if that continues to be the case, those folks in the community who are in the middle on the airport are going to get frustrated and walk away.
Click to expand...

That was one concern I had when it was brought up. With the lawsuits flying around ( ;D ) why would anyone come here? I am not saying people do not have a right to file them, but if I was looking at a county I might not want to take on one that has shown opposition to plans with lawsuits.
Click to expand...

Why would you even say that? Seriously the lawsuits were filed because they are changing the game plan from general aviation to commercial without any citizen input. They don't know how to bring in industry so they sold out to the lowest bidder with no history of ever running an airport. To a company that was rejected by two other counties in Georgia.
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That could be a very real concern if someone started "thinking" about moving their business to Paulding, noting that the airport could be an asset to them, but then found out about the lawsuits. I would hope that anyone with any real business sense would at least look into what the lawsuits are about and find out what started that process...but then again...if they did, they might decide not to move to a community where AA officials and county commissioners did things behind closed doors.
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That is what I am saying. :thumbsup

I would hope they would look into them, but just on the surface they are going to see "lawsuits." Then if they think the citizens were right...just like you state. :(
 
I have no horse in this race, my race is bringing the stadium to Cobb County. Really doesn't matter what I want because if the higher powers have already knighted it then it will happen. Same goes for the airport. Whether we want to admit it or not, there isn't a whole lot that can be done to stop the train once it's rolling. We may delay it, we may make it change tracks, but the train is coming through town with the whistles blowing. Get on board and ride the gravy train or get left behind. JMO.
 
honeybunny said:
It has become my understanding that "we the people" do not have any say in the future plans for the airport.
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I do think it is coming off like that, but who is to say if a middle ground could be reached maybe things could work in favor of the for and against crowd and the lawsuits can go away?
 
If the lawsuits deter business, then so be it.
Since a federal judge said the deal was moving forward without proper steps being taken, then in my way of thinking, those who neglected to take those proper steps should be held accountable.

Otherwise, that would be like someone suing because of a corrupt police force, a judge upholding the suit and then blaming the person who brought the corruption in the police department to light for business's not wishing to do business in a county with a corrupt police force.

But that is just my way of looking at it.
Like I have always said, even when it is me under the gun, don't hold those who shine the light on the mistakes accountable, hold those who make the mistakes accountable.
 
All they have to do is do away with the commercial service and the taxpayer cost and lawsuits will go away. It's that simple.
 
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