I don't recall naming you in that post. You'll be fine.
Trump wins Indiana. Clinton wins presidency.
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I don't recall naming you in that post. You'll be fine.
The GOP did indeed cause the fracture in the party. I don't want anyone to think I'm defending them.
But Trump put a wedge in it and has been hammering away. He now has the chance to try and bring people together. His actions now will tell us who he really is.
But Trump put a wedge in it and has been hammering away. He now has the chance to try and bring people together. His actions now will tell us who he really is.
Blazing Saddles
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It's always this way. Those numbers will change. I think the bigger story is between Hillary and Sanders. Nobody is talking about that.
It's never this bad, Trump's negatives are at historic levels for a presumed nominee.
There's no way the DNC will allow Sanders to be the nominee. They despise him more than the GOP does Trump.
If Hillary doesn't get indicted, she's the nominee.
ShoeDiva
Shoes!!!!
ShoeDiva
Shoes!!!!
This. One open and how many might retire?
I was going to suggest it because of the cats.
You know I just had to!
I almost forgot about the cats!
The Sound Guy
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I for one am getting tired of the Republican party ignoring me as a voter and pandering to the far right assuming that we middle of the road conservatives will vote republican because "they are not as bad as the democrats". If there is one thing that really, really gets my goat, it's being taken for granted.
Everyone gripes about the 3rd parties not having a chance then won't vote for them because "only the Republican's have a chance". It's a self fulfilling prophesy. Well, I'm sick of it.
The machine that controls the GOP is not going to go away and you can be SURE that some kind of rule changes will be put into place to ensure that a Trump never happens again and they can get back to making big bucks for their sponsors. Unless the GOP sees themselves lose most of the middle of the road conservatives to the 3rd parties because of their crap, they are not going to change. Why change when it works?
Well, I've had it. I'm not staying at home, that's giving up, I will vote in November, but so I likely will be voting 3rd party, not as a wasted vote, but a vote for reason in a process of insanity.
Everyone gripes about the 3rd parties not having a chance then won't vote for them because "only the Republican's have a chance". It's a self fulfilling prophesy. Well, I'm sick of it.
The machine that controls the GOP is not going to go away and you can be SURE that some kind of rule changes will be put into place to ensure that a Trump never happens again and they can get back to making big bucks for their sponsors. Unless the GOP sees themselves lose most of the middle of the road conservatives to the 3rd parties because of their crap, they are not going to change. Why change when it works?
Well, I've had it. I'm not staying at home, that's giving up, I will vote in November, but so I likely will be voting 3rd party, not as a wasted vote, but a vote for reason in a process of insanity.
cptlo
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I believe many, like myself, would LOVE to see a third party succeed, but it will be almost impossible to start at the top. The best chance for a third party would have to begin at the local level and work its way up. The best of luck with the vote. If nothing else, write me in. There's a bunch of things I'd like to change.
honeybunny
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Third party voters :
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/05/...se-nevertrump-and-the-two-are-not-compatible/
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/05/...se-nevertrump-and-the-two-are-not-compatible/
I can't wait to hear Republicans blame Trump for the loss in November when in reality it will be the fault of those voting Libertarian or not voting at all. We can debate back and forth between now and November but on election day there are 4 choices: Dem nominee, Rep nominee, Lib nominee, or no vote at all. Each are perfectly legitimate choices but also have their consequences. The cold hard fact is Trump is the last one standing for the GOP (Kasich doesn't count). The same Republicans unhappy that Trump is the likely GOP nominee are the same who would expect Trump supporters to vote for their party pick. The GOP is squarely responsible for its current predicament. Had they been listening to their supporters over the last umpteen years we wouldn't be having this conversation. I personally feel it refreshing that people are finally awake and no longer accepting the party status quo. If we go down the drain then so be it. At one point you have to stop betting on the losing horse. We survived 8 years of Obummer, we'll survive 4 of Hillary or Trump.
The same was said of Trump.
But circumstances are very different.
There's a shock.
I'm hoping Kasih being out is a sign that the RNC will not have a brokered convention.
Guys - Regarding a 3rd party...I absolutely share your sentiment. But protest voting is not what will make a 3rd party viable to win the White House. It hasn't worked and it won't work. Nowhere near enough people will vote 3rd party to have a chance at winning. If memory serves, even the most successful 3rd party candidates have barely broken into 2 digit percentages.
The system is designed for 2 parties. It is theoretically possible for a 3rd party to win, but being that they don't have the organization and support of the two main parties, it will be very difficult. The way to get there is to start building from the ground up now. The Libertarians (or whichever party) will need to find a candidate that can capture the heart of the American voters. They will need lots and lots of money, and given that not enough regular people donate to the Libertarians, there will have to be some seriously rich people step forward. And there is danger in that too.
They will need to build enough support in the polls well ahead of the debates and primaries where the networks will put them in the A-Team debates. That means buttloads of money spent on advertising and campaigning. All this just to be able to play on the same field as the D's and R's. Then they would have a fighting chance.
Something like that, especially if successful, could break the lock the 2 parties have on the presidency, as well as making them more viable for lower seats.
Guys - Regarding a 3rd party...I absolutely share your sentiment. But protest voting is not what will make a 3rd party viable to win the White House. It hasn't worked and it won't work. Nowhere near enough people will vote 3rd party to have a chance at winning. If memory serves, even the most successful 3rd party candidates have barely broken into 2 digit percentages.
The system is designed for 2 parties. It is theoretically possible for a 3rd party to win, but being that they don't have the organization and support of the two main parties, it will be very difficult. The way to get there is to start building from the ground up now. The Libertarians (or whichever party) will need to find a candidate that can capture the heart of the American voters. They will need lots and lots of money, and given that not enough regular people donate to the Libertarians, there will have to be some seriously rich people step forward. And there is danger in that too.
They will need to build enough support in the polls well ahead of the debates and primaries where the networks will put them in the A-Team debates. That means buttloads of money spent on advertising and campaigning. All this just to be able to play on the same field as the D's and R's. Then they would have a fighting chance.
Something like that, especially if successful, could break the lock the 2 parties have on the presidency, as well as making them more viable for lower seats.
Of course we would, but listening to all the complaints, you'd think Trump would be worse than Hillary or a third Obama term. Although other than his brash personality, I haven't heard any specifics as to why.
If he's not electable as people say, then there's nothing to complain about, unless we want to blame the majority of voters who are responsible for nominating him.
Let's suppose for a moment Trump is able to do the things he talks about.
* Build the wall
* Deport illegals
* Correct one sided trade agreements
* Build a stronger military
* Not jump to war unless it's in the U.S. interest
* Discourage companies from moving to Mexico
* Demand other nations pay their share when military action is warranted overseas
* Expect other nations we fight to protect reimburse our nation, at least to their best ability
* Not apologize for America
Let's just say he does these things among others I've obviously missed. Which of these items do you (NeverTrumpers) not agree with?
Believe me. I understand how disappointing it is when your guy or gal doesn't get the nod. Many here would say I was a nut, but MY first choice was Huckabee. At that time it was suggested that he would rule over a theocracy, but I felt it was high time that we had a good Christian man in the White House. Trump was absolutely NOT my first choice. I thought there was little chance for Huckabee because the direction this country is going is totally opposite of God, and it's speeding up in the other direction every day.
I'm not a never Trumper, but some of these things he can't do...at least not without cooperation from congress. Hopefully, he will get some if he wins.
But there are some other things he says he'll do that I don't like. EX: He is for single payer health insurance. While he'll probably do it better than the liberals would, that's not the answer. And what happens after he's gone and the Dems are back in power? You know they'll use it to buy votes.
But there are some other things he says he'll do that I don't like. EX: He is for single payer health insurance. While he'll probably do it better than the liberals would, that's not the answer. And what happens after he's gone and the Dems are back in power? You know they'll use it to buy votes.