Suicide

[ShoeDiva]

My sister committed suicide in 1990, I have no doubt she is with the Lord. She was lost and struggling, trying to find the answers to things she had no control of. But she was right with God, I have no doubt. No he most certainly would not allow her to suffer any longer, she endured so much while she was on this earth.

I find it so very sad people decide to make a permanent solution to a temporary problem. It's something I don't have the courage to do. Many people say it's selfish, I assure you the person that takes their own life is not being selfish, they are in such horrible pain emotionally they see no other way. They just want it to stop.

It's sort of like being caught in a bear trap in the woods with no help, the pain is excruciating, there is no relief and no help. That's how their hearts and minds feel. My sister and I spent hours and hours talking about this, she had attempted suicide the first time when she was 15. I knew eventually that's how her life would end. I tried everything I could to stop her but in the end, she saw no other way out. She just wanted "it" to stop.

I am sorry. That is so very sad.

 

[deewee]

My sister committed suicide in 1990, I have no doubt she is with the Lord. She was lost and struggling, trying to find the answers to things she had no control of. But she was right with God, I have no doubt. No he most certainly would not allow her to suffer any longer, she endured so much while she was on this earth.

I find it so very sad people decide to make a permanent solution to a temporary problem. It's something I don't have the courage to do. Many people say it's selfish, I assure you the person that takes their own life is not being selfish, they are in such horrible pain emotionally they see no other way. They just want it to stop.

It's sort of like being caught in a bear trap in the woods with no help, the pain is excruciating, there is no relief and no help. That's how their hearts and minds feel. My sister and I spent hours and hours talking about this, she had attempted suicide the first time when she was 15. I knew eventually that's how her life would end. I tried everything I could to stop her but in the end, she saw no other way out. She just wanted "it" to stop.

That's it exactly. Depression, true clinical depression, isn't just about being sad. It's constant emotional pain, with no relief, without the proper treatment. Many do not understand that.

I'm so sorry, NG. :hug

 

[mei lan]

My sister committed suicide in 1990, I have no doubt she is with the Lord. She was lost and struggling, trying to find the answers to things she had no control of. But she was right with God, I have no doubt. No he most certainly would not allow her to suffer any longer, she endured so much while she was on this earth.

I find it so very sad people decide to make a permanent solution to a temporary problem. It's something I don't have the courage to do. Many people say it's selfish, I assure you the person that takes their own life is not being selfish, they are in such horrible pain emotionally they see no other way. They just want it to stop.

It's sort of like being caught in a bear trap in the woods with no help, the pain is excruciating, there is no relief and no help. That's how their hearts and minds feel. My sister and I spent hours and hours talking about this, she had attempted suicide the first time when she was 15. I knew eventually that's how her life would end. I tried everything I could to stop her but in the end, she saw no other way out. She just wanted "it" to stop.

That's it exactly. Depression, true clinical depression, isn't just about being sad. It's constant emotional pain, with no relief, without the proper treatment. Many do not understand that.

I'm so sorry, NG. :hug

Bless your heart (and hers), NG. (And this is one of the few times I've ever said that sincerely. )

 

[LisaC]

I think there are some Biblical translations are based upon the different traditions of each denomination and it's generally those traditions that separate us. For example, I will pick on the Baptists (since I am one at the moment) - they have a reputation of not drinking or not admitting to it. Some of them will tell you that it is a sin. It isn't. But, to those that believe, it might as well be the gospel of John. And, don't get me started on the TV pastors who are putting out their versions of the Bible... :BH

I will also say that to me, the Bible is the living word. What one scripture may say to me when I read it one day, will mean something different when I read it the next time - it varies depending on the circumstance and what God is trying to tell me each time.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I think there are some Biblical translations are based upon the different traditions of each denomination and it's generally those traditions that separate us. For example, I will pick on the Baptists (since I am one at the moment) - they have a reputation of not drinking or not admitting to it. Some of them will tell you that it is a sin. It isn't. But, to those that believe, it might as well be the gospel of John. And, don't get me started on the TV pastors who are putting out their versions of the Bible... :BH

I will also say that to me, the Bible is the living word. What one scripture may say to me when I read it one day, will mean something different when I read it the next time - it varies depending on the circumstance and what God is trying to tell me each time.

Excellent response.

 

[Grey Colson]

How about some of you post some "truths" that you believe the Bible clearly states that you can really hang your hat on....or do most believe there are none?

I'm finding this discussion quite curious. Of course I too have read verses that seem to expound every time I read them or a pastor will point out something I never realized previously. But one thing I have never experienced is the scripture contradicting itself.

 

[stradial]

How about some of you post some "truths" that you believe the Bible clearly states that you can really hang your hat on....or do most believe there are none?

I'm finding this discussion quite curious. Of course I too have read verses that seem to expound every time I read them or a pastor will point out something I never realized previously. But one thing I have never experienced is the scripture contradicting itself.

What about where it says that the words on Jesus's cross were written in Aramaic (Hebrew), Greek and Latin in part of the gospels and yet in another gospel it says it was written in Latin, Greek and Aramaic (Hebrew)?
There are many other examples, but that is enough.

 

[Grey Colson]

How about some of you post some "truths" that you believe the Bible clearly states that you can really hang your hat on....or do most believe there are none?

I'm finding this discussion quite curious. Of course I too have read verses that seem to expound every time I read them or a pastor will point out something I never realized previously. But one thing I have never experienced is the scripture contradicting itself.

What about where it says that the words on Jesus's cross were written in Aramaic (Hebrew), Greek and Latin in part of the gospels and yet in another gospel it says it was written in Latin, Greek and Aramaic (Hebrew)?
There are many other examples, but that is enough.

If you will PM me those verses, I will get an answer for you. One of the "many other examples" would interest me as well.

 

[LisaC]

How about some of you post some "truths" that you believe the Bible clearly states that you can really hang your hat on....or do most believe there are none?

I'm finding this discussion quite curious. Of course I too have read verses that seem to expound every time I read them or a pastor will point out something I never realized previously. But one thing I have never experienced is the scripture contradicting itself.

By saying a verse would mean something different to me at different times, I am not saying that the Bible contradicts itself, I am simply saying that I can read a verse and focus on it from one standpoint, and then read it at another point and it will have a new focus.

 

[ShoeDiva]

How about some of you post some "truths" that you believe the Bible clearly states that you can really hang your hat on....or do most believe there are none?

I'm finding this discussion quite curious. Of course I too have read verses that seem to expound every time I read them or a pastor will point out something I never realized previously. But one thing I have never experienced is the scripture contradicting itself.

What about where it says that the words on Jesus's cross were written in Aramaic (Hebrew), Greek and Latin in part of the gospels and yet in another gospel it says it was written in Latin, Greek and Aramaic (Hebrew)?
There are many other examples, but that is enough.

If you will PM me those verses, I will get an answer for you. One of the "many other examples" would interest me as well.

The differences in many of the Latin, Greek, Aramaic can be looked up and then you will still have questions as many of the words in question have multiple meanings. (and many Theologists disagree on those meanings...as do those that study languages)

It seems as if you disagree with those of us that believe that more than one meaning can be taken from verses or passages. :dunno Many of us agree that certain verses are pretty straight forward, while others as LisaC pointed out can mean different things to us at different times. How do you explain the differences in faiths and beliefs, that are all christian?

(If you do not disagree and I am off on reading what you have written, sorry. That is just how I have taken your responses.)

 

[J-man]

Thou Shalt Not Kill doesn't mean Thou Shalt Not Kill except on Mondays. Sorry but I lean with GC on this one. While I agree that the Spirit may lead you in your Bible study the meaning of scripture remains the same. Now if you want to interpret the meaning different today than yesterday that's a different topic.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Thou Shalt Not Kill doesn't mean Thou Shalt Not Kill except on Mondays. Sorry but I lean with GC on this one. While I agree that the Spirit may lead you in your Bible study the meaning of scripture remains the same. Now if you want to interpret the meaning different today than yesterday that's a different topic.

) I go with no killing everyday, but that is me.

Note to self: Never see J-Man on Mondays.

Anyhoo......so why do you think there are differences in religions, faiths, and beliefs? Why do you think Theologists disagree on some verses or passages? If there is no interpretation or different meanings to some why are there so many differences between religions? (Disclaimer: There is no right or wrong answer, I am just asking for your opinion. )

 

[J-man]

Thou Shalt Not Kill doesn't mean Thou Shalt Not Kill except on Mondays. Sorry but I lean with GC on this one. While I agree that the Spirit may lead you in your Bible study the meaning of scripture remains the same. Now if you want to interpret the meaning different today than yesterday that's a different topic.

) I go with no killing everyday, but that is me.

Note to self: Never see J-Man on Mondays.

Anyhoo......so why do you think there are differences in religions, faiths, and beliefs? Why do you think Theologists disagree on some verses or passages? If there is no interpretation or different meanings to some why are there so many differences between religions? (Disclaimer: There is no right or wrong answer, I am just asking for your opinion. )

Actually you probably don't want my opinion because it's not very politically correct or even socially acceptable.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Thou Shalt Not Kill doesn't mean Thou Shalt Not Kill except on Mondays. Sorry but I lean with GC on this one. While I agree that the Spirit may lead you in your Bible study the meaning of scripture remains the same. Now if you want to interpret the meaning different today than yesterday that's a different topic.

) I go with no killing everyday, but that is me.

Note to self: Never see J-Man on Mondays.

Anyhoo......so why do you think there are differences in religions, faiths, and beliefs? Why do you think Theologists disagree on some verses or passages? If there is no interpretation or different meanings to some why are there so many differences between religions? (Disclaimer: There is no right or wrong answer, I am just asking for your opinion. )

Actually you probably don't want my opinion because it's not very politically correct or even socially acceptable.

:dunno Is that sarcastic or for real? You know I have a hard time with that. )

 

[J-man]

No, not sarcasm (at least not this time). My honest opinion is that there are many different faiths, religions, and beliefs because somewhere along the way someone didn't like what they told either because it hit too close to home or they just strongly disagreed so they started their own club, others figured out a way to make money or gain power/influence by forming a new branch of religion from the main tree. I'm not necessarily talking about the major religions but more of the "cousin" religions. I've often said if I had been born to a family who practiced Islam then I would more than likely consider it to be the one true religion, the same applies if it was any other religion. Most people practice the religion their family practiced, others change to that of their spouse, many others change for other reasons, but most continue the faith under which they were raised.

And that was the nice version.

 

[stradial]

Thou Shalt Not Kill doesn't mean Thou Shalt Not Kill except on Mondays. Sorry but I lean with GC on this one. While I agree that the Spirit may lead you in your Bible study the meaning of scripture remains the same. Now if you want to interpret the meaning different today than yesterday that's a different topic.

I do not disagree, however, a better translation is, thou shalt not commit murder.
At least that is my understanding.
So while the theme remains the same, there is a major difference.

 

[stradial]

How about some of you post some "truths" that you believe the Bible clearly states that you can really hang your hat on....or do most believe there are none?

I'm finding this discussion quite curious. Of course I too have read verses that seem to expound every time I read them or a pastor will point out something I never realized previously. But one thing I have never experienced is the scripture contradicting itself.

What about where it says that the words on Jesus's cross were written in Aramaic (Hebrew), Greek and Latin in part of the gospels and yet in another gospel it says it was written in Latin, Greek and Aramaic (Hebrew)?
There are many other examples, but that is enough.

If you will PM me those verses, I will get an answer for you. One of the "many other examples" would interest me as well.

I will do so, but not at the moment.
I seriously thought that it was common knowledge that the bible contradicts itself in many places.
The main theme in the new testament remains the same, but there are many places in the new testament especially, where Matthew, Mark, Like and John give different accounts of events.
Again, the main theme is the same, but you cannot say it doesn't contradict itself.
There is even a sentence that no one has any idea what it means.
They teach it in theology school, at lest to the ones going for the PHDs.
A good friend of mine got his PHD in theology and we used to discuss this a lot.
He was the one who showed my that sentence, I think it was in Corinthians, but that was 30 years ago, hard to remember.

 

[ShoeDiva]

No, not sarcasm (at least not this time). My honest opinion is that there are many different faiths, religions, and beliefs because somewhere along the way someone didn't like what they told either because it hit too close to home or they just strongly disagreed so they started their own club, others figured out a way to make money or gain power/influence by forming a new branch of religion from the main tree. I'm not necessarily talking about the major religions but more of the "cousin" religions. I've often said if I had been born to a family who practiced Islam then I would more than likely consider it to be the one true religion, the same applies if it was any other religion. Most people practice the religion their family practiced, others change to that of their spouse, many others change for other reasons, but most continue the faith under which they were raised.

And that was the nice version.

:thumbsup

 

[ShoeDiva]

How about some of you post some "truths" that you believe the Bible clearly states that you can really hang your hat on....or do most believe there are none?

I'm finding this discussion quite curious. Of course I too have read verses that seem to expound every time I read them or a pastor will point out something I never realized previously. But one thing I have never experienced is the scripture contradicting itself.

What about where it says that the words on Jesus's cross were written in Aramaic (Hebrew), Greek and Latin in part of the gospels and yet in another gospel it says it was written in Latin, Greek and Aramaic (Hebrew)?
There are many other examples, but that is enough.

If you will PM me those verses, I will get an answer for you. One of the "many other examples" would interest me as well.

I will do so, but not at the moment.
I seriously thought that it was common knowledge that the bible contradicts itself in many places.
The main theme in the new testament remains the same, but there are many places in the new testament especially, where Matthew, Mark, Like and John give different accounts of events.
Again, the main theme is the same, but you cannot say it doesn't contradict itself.
There is even a sentence that no one has any idea what it means.
They teach it in theology school, at lest to the ones going for the PHDs.
A good friend of mine got his PHD in theology and we used to discuss this a lot.
He was the one who showed my that sentence, I think it was in Corinthians, but that was 30 years ago, hard to remember.

:thumbsup

There are hot debates all over the internet that can be Googled about word meanings that change what verses mean, contradictions, and biblical disagreements. These are people with PHD's that disagree. It is pretty fascinating and interesting and I am always surprised when I bring up interpretations people balk at that. :dunno
It is not to say something is right or wrong with what one believes, but that someone else might believe differently and that is not right or wrong either.

 

[stradial]

How about some of you post some "truths" that you believe the Bible clearly states that you can really hang your hat on....or do most believe there are none?

I'm finding this discussion quite curious. Of course I too have read verses that seem to expound every time I read them or a pastor will point out something I never realized previously. But one thing I have never experienced is the scripture contradicting itself.

What about where it says that the words on Jesus's cross were written in Aramaic (Hebrew), Greek and Latin in part of the gospels and yet in another gospel it says it was written in Latin, Greek and Aramaic (Hebrew)?
There are many other examples, but that is enough.

If you will PM me those verses, I will get an answer for you. One of the "many other examples" would interest me as well.

I will do so, but not at the moment.
I seriously thought that it was common knowledge that the bible contradicts itself in many places.
The main theme in the new testament remains the same, but there are many places in the new testament especially, where Matthew, Mark, Like and John give different accounts of events.
Again, the main theme is the same, but you cannot say it doesn't contradict itself.
There is even a sentence that no one has any idea what it means.
They teach it in theology school, at lest to the ones going for the PHDs.
A good friend of mine got his PHD in theology and we used to discuss this a lot.
He was the one who showed my that sentence, I think it was in Corinthians, but that was 30 years ago, hard to remember.

:thumbsup

There are hot debates all over the internet that can be Googled about word meanings that change what verses mean, contradictions, and biblical disagreements. These are people with PHD's that disagree. It is pretty fascinating and interesting and I am always surprised when I bring up interpretations people balk at that. :dunno
It is not to say something is right or wrong with what one believes, but that someone else might believe differently and that is not right or wrong either.

I enjoy the same thing.
Bottom line, is the bible true?
It is if you believe it is.
And isn't that what it is all about, faith?