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Guard Dad said:
LisaC said:
Protestants are also varied - does your church believe in dispensationalism or covenant theology? Are you a pre-tribulation believer or a post-tribulation believer? What are the means of salvation, is it predestined? All believe in the infallacy of the Bible, but have some different interpretations in what they specifically believe.

We just meet and eat covered dish meals.

:spitchick
 
Guard Dad said:
LisaC said:
Guard Dad said:
ShoeDiva said:
Guard Dad said:
ShoeDiva said:
Madea said:
"Some people won't let the Bible get in the way of what they believe"

~Andrew Wommack

I do not like that quote because different religions believe different things and they all use the same bible. :) (okay some of us might have extra, but you get what I mean)

To GD: I do not think discussions hurt. I am not quite sure why anyone feels that way. I know my intent when I discuss is not to change their thought, but to make them think that there could be another thought on a subject. I do not believe that with something as complex as the bible that one person or one religion could have all the perfect answers. I would be willing to bet that we could all come up with different answers and meanings for almost any piece of scripture. I do not see that as a bad thing and many times I have been able to learn more or apply what I believed to anothers thought on the same scripture and get a better understanding.

I don't think analyzing scripture is a bad thing so long as our sincere intent is to find the true meaning of God's word. Some (not any of us regulars, I think) would do so to try and pervert, disprove, or justify sin. I've ran into that bunch many times.

Honest question, Deever--When you mention "different religions", do mean different denominations of Christianity, or different as in Muslim, Hindu, etc? I ask because I'm struggling to understand your meaning there.

I do agree than no single brand of Christianity has it completely right. I am a Baptist, but I do differ with the rank and fold on some things. I am Christian first; denomination is well down the line in priority.

I do mean all, as in different denominations and anyone else that uses a bible. As I said in another topic I have even been told here that I am wrong and the scripture interpretation that I used was not what it meant. (One was in explanation, once it was general conversation I believe.) Not a big deal now or then, but that is still the point I am making. I am Catholic the others were Baptist and flat out two different meanings from passages. Are they right, maybe. Am I, maybe. I am willing to listen to others though and realize my interpretation (or churches) or theirs could be wrong and something else was meant. ;)

Well, Catholics and Protestants are both Christian. I know there are some small differences in beliefs and styles of worship; but I would think we'd be in agreement on the big stuff. Homosexuality for example; it seems to me that The Bible is pretty clear on it. Do you agree that it is sinful?

As for totally different religions like Islam or Hindu, for example; their beliefs really don't matter to me or factor into my sense of right and wrong.

Protestants are also varied - does your church believe in dispensationalism or covenant theology? Are you a pre-tribulation believer or a post-tribulation believer? What are the means of salvation, is it predestined? All believe in the infallacy of the Bible, but have some different interpretations in what they specifically believe.

We just meet and eat covered dish meals.

Yep, you're a Baptist...
 
I don't even know what this topic is about anymore. :seesaw

GD (and others that do it), instead of dissing on the GOP, be the change you want to see. Get involved. Make a difference. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to bop you.

LC, my only point with inserting abortion was to show that on a different topic, you (or anyone) may be the one considered to be unaccepting.
 
Madea said:
I don't even know what this topic is about anymore. :seesaw

GD (and others that do it), instead of dissing on the GOP, be the change you want to see. Get involved. Make a difference. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to bop you.

LC, my only point with inserting abortion was to show that on a different topic, you (or anyone) may be the one considered to be unaccepting.

Do that anyway. :angel
 
ShoeDiva said:
Madea said:
I don't even know what this topic is about anymore. :seesaw

GD (and others that do it), instead of dissing on the GOP, be the change you want to see. Get involved. Make a difference. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to bop you.

LC, my only point with inserting abortion was to show that on a different topic, you (or anyone) may be the one considered to be unaccepting.

Do that anyway. :angel

Okay. Talked me into it.
 
Madea said:
GD (and others that do it), instead of dissing on the GOP, be the change you want to see. Get involved. Make a difference. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to bop you.

I get what you're saying; however, I just don't have it in me anymore. I just don't believe they care enough about the direction of the country to pour my time and effort and money into the organization. I feel that my time/effort/money would be far better spent helping my sister and nephew and preparing our family for any rough times that might be ahead.

This is not to say that your advice wouldn't apply to anyone. Perhaps it can be saved...I've been wrong before. I just know my heart isn't in it anymore.
 
I understand Mei Lan. There is just SO MUCH apathy! It's discouraging, I know. I can't change the world, but I can influence my family and add to my community.
 
Madea said:
I understand Mei Lan. There is just SO MUCH apathy! It's discouraging, I know. I can't change the world, but I can influence my family and add to my community.

Agreed. And apathy is one thing we don't have, thank the Lord. Although we'd prolly be happier if we did, considering the way things are. ::)
 
Getting back on track of the OP, I think most Christian religions disapprove of homosexual behavior. I find it interesting that most Protestants (my youthful church) believe thinking about "forbidden fruit" is in itself a sin while Catholics only view it as a sin if it's acted on. I was raised in a Methodist church but spent many a Sunday Mass in the Catholic churches of my friends. I find exploring different religions provoking.

Here's an interesting article, while I understand it's not the only "Catholic view", it is in fact interesting. I'm hoping Jen will chime in here and give us some of her insight on her perceptions since I understand she left the Catholic church for a while but returned after several years in the Baptist faith. I'd really like to hear her input.

Every human being is called to receive a gift of divine sonship, to become a child of God by grace. However, to receive this gift, we must reject sin, including homosexual behavior—that is, acts intended to arouse or stimulate a sexual response regarding a person of the same sex. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law.

Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality
 
naturegirl said:
Getting back on track of the OP, I think most Christian religions disapprove of homosexual behavior. I find it interesting that most Protestants (my youthful church) believe thinking about "forbidden fruit" is in itself a sin while Catholics only view it as a sin if it's acted on. I was raised in a Methodist church but spent many a Sunday Mass in the Catholic churches of my friends. I find exploring different religions provoking.

Here's an interesting article, while I understand it's not the only "Catholic view", it is in fact interesting. I'm hoping Jen will chime in here and give us some of her insight on her perceptions since I understand she left the Catholic church for a while but returned after several years in the Baptist faith. I'd really like to hear her input.

Every human being is called to receive a gift of divine sonship, to become a child of God by grace. However, to receive this gift, we must reject sin, including homosexual behavior—that is, acts intended to arouse or stimulate a sexual response regarding a person of the same sex. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law.

Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality

:dunno I do not think that is what the OP asked.
 
OK, I'll go back to the original thread and put this there, however I thought this was about interpretation and different faith's views on scripture. :dunno

I was pointing out the differences in how my church views "forbidden fruit" and how the Catholic Church sees it. I know in Matthew 27, it is said that even thinking about committing adultery is a sin, is this the same for someone that is thinking about a homosexuality?
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
 
naturegirl said:
OK, I'll go back to the original thread and put this there, however I thought this was about interpretation and different faith's views on scripture. :dunno

I was pointing out the differences in how my church views "forbidden fruit" and how the Catholic Church sees it. I know in Mark 27, it is said that even thinking about committing adultery is a sin, is this the same for someone that is thinking about a homosexuality?

:dunno

I think your questions are another spin off.
 
I don't even remember what we were talking about... It's been a rough morning...
 
I'm not a big fan of spin offs, too many threads about the same thing. My thoughts are about the different interpretations of scripture, particularly Catholic vs Protestant.

As I said, we were taught even thinking lustfully about something was as much a sin as actually doing it, the link I gave basically said some interpretations only are sinful if you actually commit the act.

Just trying to understand the differences in the interpretations. I'm not saying either is right or wrong, I really wish we had more Catholics and Methodists chiming in because I truly think this is one of the fundamental differences in my religion (Methodist) and Catholicism.
 
Guard Dad said:
Scripture from another thread...

Woe to those who are wise in their OWN eyes and clever in their OWN sight. Isaiah 5:21

Question #1:

Where is that line crossed? Pastors share their wisdom of the Bible, some of us do as well. Is the line crossed only when our OWN wisdom and cleverness is incorrect?

Question #2:

It has been suggested that these discussions are harmful to God's Kingdom. I would submit that so long as they are sincere in nature, they are actually good because we can learn from others who have better understanding of God's word. I liken them to a discussion in Sunday School. Admittedly, some here have a better understanding of God's word than I do, and I am open to learning of being corrected. Hopefully, all Christians are.

What are your thoughts? Discuss?
Your first question about being wise in one's own sight illustrates why I love being a Catholic. I submit my own wisdom to one that is far higher, spending my time meditating on a superior wisdom rather than spinning my wheels trying to be wise on my own. When I worshipped as a Protestant, I would have thought such an idea to be confining, but I have actually found great intellectual satisfaction in submission to the Church.
 
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