Ok UPS. Let me see if I follow your "logic".

[Guard Dad]

Additionally, I find it offensive to compared gays to blacks when looking at rights. Blacks had much bigger, much more real restriction on them as not just citizens but human beings. At what point in our nation's history have gays been referred to as less than a whole human being? And at what point have they been denied the right to vote? Sure there are people that treat them like crap based on their sexual orientation and that sucks but their issues are not the same as blacks in this country.

Agreed! Race and sexual orientation do not compare.

Especially not to conservative straight white folks...

That has nothing to do with it. Race is a totally different issue than something that is behavioral. And yes, sexual orientation is behavioral whether straight or gay.

Yep! :thumbsup

Okay, but what are your thoughts on the original subject? ) ^^ That was not it.

What can Brown do for you?

 

[unionmom]

What can Brown do for you?

Ruh roh ... better get ready to move this on to the "special" forum for mature audiences only.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Additionally, I find it offensive to compared gays to blacks when looking at rights. Blacks had much bigger, much more real restriction on them as not just citizens but human beings. At what point in our nation's history have gays been referred to as less than a whole human being? And at what point have they been denied the right to vote? Sure there are people that treat them like crap based on their sexual orientation and that sucks but their issues are not the same as blacks in this country.

Agreed! Race and sexual orientation do not compare.

Especially not to conservative straight white folks...

That has nothing to do with it. Race is a totally different issue than something that is behavioral. And yes, sexual orientation is behavioral whether straight or gay.

Yep! :thumbsup

Okay, but what are your thoughts on the original subject? ) ^^ That was not it.

What can Brown do for you?

Brown does a lot for me. And veterans, and disabled people, and kids that need college money (100's of scholarships per year), Unicef, United Way, Red Cross, Salvation Army, Special Olympics, National Fed of the Blind, Junior Achievement, and so many more.

 

[ShoeDiva]

What can Brown do for you?

Ruh roh ... better get ready to move this on to the "special" forum for mature audiences only.

:spitchick You are bad! )

 

[newsjunky]

Additionally, I find it offensive to compared gays to blacks when looking at rights. Blacks had much bigger, much more real restriction on them as not just citizens but human beings. At what point in our nation's history have gays been referred to as less than a whole human being? And at what point have they been denied the right to vote? Sure there are people that treat them like crap based on their sexual orientation and that sucks but their issues are not the same as blacks in this country.

Agreed! Race and sexual orientation do not compare.

Especially not to conservative straight white folks...

That has nothing to do with it. Race is a totally different issue than something that is behavioral. And yes, sexual orientation is behavioral whether straight or gay.

Yep! :thumbsup

Okay, but what are your thoughts on the original subject? ) ^^ That was not it.

If you think I am reading 7 pages of this stuff you would be very much mistaken. I think the BSA should be left alone and politics should not enter into it.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Additionally, I find it offensive to compared gays to blacks when looking at rights. Blacks had much bigger, much more real restriction on them as not just citizens but human beings. At what point in our nation's history have gays been referred to as less than a whole human being? And at what point have they been denied the right to vote? Sure there are people that treat them like crap based on their sexual orientation and that sucks but their issues are not the same as blacks in this country.

Agreed! Race and sexual orientation do not compare.

Especially not to conservative straight white folks...

That has nothing to do with it. Race is a totally different issue than something that is behavioral. And yes, sexual orientation is behavioral whether straight or gay.

Yep! :thumbsup

Okay, but what are your thoughts on the original subject? ) ^^ That was not it.

If you think I am reading 7 pages of this stuff you would be very much mistaken. I think the BSA should be left alone and politics should not enter into it.

Okay. :huh I just thought since you came in your would like to weigh in on the issue of UPS being a private business with grant requirements and BSA being private company with their rules and the fact that each others rules do not meet up any longer, so UPS will not give them grants. Many do not have time to read the whole topic, but can figure it out before investing in 7 pages. Sorry I asked for your opinion on a chat board. :dunno

 

[newsjunky]

Additionally, I find it offensive to compared gays to blacks when looking at rights. Blacks had much bigger, much more real restriction on them as not just citizens but human beings. At what point in our nation's history have gays been referred to as less than a whole human being? And at what point have they been denied the right to vote? Sure there are people that treat them like crap based on their sexual orientation and that sucks but their issues are not the same as blacks in this country.

Agreed! Race and sexual orientation do not compare.

Especially not to conservative straight white folks...

That has nothing to do with it. Race is a totally different issue than something that is behavioral. And yes, sexual orientation is behavioral whether straight or gay.

Yep! :thumbsup

Okay, but what are your thoughts on the original subject? ) ^^ That was not it.

If you think I am reading 7 pages of this stuff you would be very much mistaken. I think the BSA should be left alone and politics should not enter into it.

Okay. :huh I just thought since you came in your would like to weigh in on the issue of UPS being a private business with grant requirements and BSA being private company with their rules and the fact that each others rules do not meet up any longer, so UPS will not give them grants. Many do not have time to read the whole topic, but can figure it out before investing in 7 pages. Sorry I asked for your opinion on a chat board. :dunno

Be careful cause I might tell you where to put one of your spiked shoes! ;D

 

[ShoeDiva]

Additionally, I find it offensive to compared gays to blacks when looking at rights. Blacks had much bigger, much more real restriction on them as not just citizens but human beings. At what point in our nation's history have gays been referred to as less than a whole human being? And at what point have they been denied the right to vote? Sure there are people that treat them like crap based on their sexual orientation and that sucks but their issues are not the same as blacks in this country.

Agreed! Race and sexual orientation do not compare.

Especially not to conservative straight white folks...

That has nothing to do with it. Race is a totally different issue than something that is behavioral. And yes, sexual orientation is behavioral whether straight or gay.

Yep! :thumbsup

Okay, but what are your thoughts on the original subject? ) ^^ That was not it.

If you think I am reading 7 pages of this stuff you would be very much mistaken. I think the BSA should be left alone and politics should not enter into it.

Okay. :huh I just thought since you came in your would like to weigh in on the issue of UPS being a private business with grant requirements and BSA being private company with their rules and the fact that each others rules do not meet up any longer, so UPS will not give them grants. Many do not have time to read the whole topic, but can figure it out before investing in 7 pages. Sorry I asked for your opinion on a chat board. :dunno

Be careful cause I might tell you where to put one of your spiked shoes! ;D

Seriously? What in the world is wrong with you Newsjunky?

 

[newsjunky]

Additionally, I find it offensive to compared gays to blacks when looking at rights. Blacks had much bigger, much more real restriction on them as not just citizens but human beings. At what point in our nation's history have gays been referred to as less than a whole human being? And at what point have they been denied the right to vote? Sure there are people that treat them like crap based on their sexual orientation and that sucks but their issues are not the same as blacks in this country.

Agreed! Race and sexual orientation do not compare.

Especially not to conservative straight white folks...

That has nothing to do with it. Race is a totally different issue than something that is behavioral. And yes, sexual orientation is behavioral whether straight or gay.

Yep! :thumbsup

Okay, but what are your thoughts on the original subject? ) ^^ That was not it.

If you think I am reading 7 pages of this stuff you would be very much mistaken. I think the BSA should be left alone and politics should not enter into it.

Okay. :huh I just thought since you came in your would like to weigh in on the issue of UPS being a private business with grant requirements and BSA being private company with their rules and the fact that each others rules do not meet up any longer, so UPS will not give them grants. Many do not have time to read the whole topic, but can figure it out before investing in 7 pages. Sorry I asked for your opinion on a chat board. :dunno

Be careful cause I might tell you where to put one of your spiked shoes! ;D

Seriously? What in the world is wrong with you Newsjunky?

Nothing SD. What is wrong with you?

 

[Grey Colson]

Additionally, I find it offensive to compared gays to blacks when looking at rights. Blacks had much bigger, much more real restriction on them as not just citizens but human beings. At what point in our nation's history have gays been referred to as less than a whole human being? And at what point have they been denied the right to vote? Sure there are people that treat them like crap based on their sexual orientation and that sucks but their issues are not the same as blacks in this country.

Agreed! Race and sexual orientation do not compare.

Especially not to conservative straight white folks...

That has nothing to do with it. Race is a totally different issue than something that is behavioral. And yes, sexual orientation is behavioral whether straight or gay.

Yep! :thumbsup

Okay, but what are your thoughts on the original subject? ) ^^ That was not it.

If you think I am reading 7 pages of this stuff you would be very much mistaken. I think the BSA should be left alone and politics should not enter into it.

Okay. :huh I just thought since you came in your would like to weigh in on the issue of UPS being a private business with grant requirements and BSA being private company with their rules and the fact that each others rules do not meet up any longer, so UPS will not give them grants. Many do not have time to read the whole topic, but can figure it out before investing in 7 pages. Sorry I asked for your opinion on a chat board. :dunno

Be careful cause I might tell you where to put one of your spiked shoes! ;D

Seriously? What in the world is wrong with you Newsjunky?

Probably the same thing I'm suffering from...

P.T.E.D

Post Traumatic Election Disorder :BH

MOMMY MAKE IT STOP! :BH :BH :BH

Hey! Maybe I can get a disability check! I feel better now ;D

 

[ShoeDiva]

Additionally, I find it offensive to compared gays to blacks when looking at rights. Blacks had much bigger, much more real restriction on them as not just citizens but human beings. At what point in our nation's history have gays been referred to as less than a whole human being? And at what point have they been denied the right to vote? Sure there are people that treat them like crap based on their sexual orientation and that sucks but their issues are not the same as blacks in this country.

Agreed! Race and sexual orientation do not compare.

Especially not to conservative straight white folks...

That has nothing to do with it. Race is a totally different issue than something that is behavioral. And yes, sexual orientation is behavioral whether straight or gay.

Yep! :thumbsup

Okay, but what are your thoughts on the original subject? ) ^^ That was not it.

If you think I am reading 7 pages of this stuff you would be very much mistaken. I think the BSA should be left alone and politics should not enter into it.

Okay. :huh I just thought since you came in your would like to weigh in on the issue of UPS being a private business with grant requirements and BSA being private company with their rules and the fact that each others rules do not meet up any longer, so UPS will not give them grants. Many do not have time to read the whole topic, but can figure it out before investing in 7 pages. Sorry I asked for your opinion on a chat board. :dunno

Be careful cause I might tell you where to put one of your spiked shoes! ;D

Seriously? What in the world is wrong with you Newsjunky?

Nothing SD. What is wrong with you?

Um, I was asking for your opinion, you snarkily replied I was mistaken if you were going to read all of this, I said I am sorry this is a chat board I would think you wanted to give yours and you replied with Be careful cause I might tell you where to put one of your spiked shoes! I am not thinking I am the one with an issue.

 

[Guard Dad]

Really, folks?

 

[ShoeDiva]

Really, folks?

Hey, talk to your mod.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Additionally, I find it offensive to compared gays to blacks when looking at rights. Blacks had much bigger, much more real restriction on them as not just citizens but human beings. At what point in our nation's history have gays been referred to as less than a whole human being? And at what point have they been denied the right to vote? Sure there are people that treat them like crap based on their sexual orientation and that sucks but their issues are not the same as blacks in this country.

Agreed! Race and sexual orientation do not compare.

Especially not to conservative straight white folks...

That has nothing to do with it. Race is a totally different issue than something that is behavioral. And yes, sexual orientation is behavioral whether straight or gay.

Yep! :thumbsup

Okay, but what are your thoughts on the original subject? ) ^^ That was not it.

If you think I am reading 7 pages of this stuff you would be very much mistaken. I think the BSA should be left alone and politics should not enter into it.

Okay. :huh I just thought since you came in your would like to weigh in on the issue of UPS being a private business with grant requirements and BSA being private company with their rules and the fact that each others rules do not meet up any longer, so UPS will not give them grants. Many do not have time to read the whole topic, but can figure it out before investing in 7 pages. Sorry I asked for your opinion on a chat board. :dunno

Be careful cause I might tell you where to put one of your spiked shoes! ;D

Seriously? What in the world is wrong with you Newsjunky?

Probably the same thing I'm suffering from...

P.T.E.D

Post Traumatic Election Disorder :BH

MOMMY MAKE IT STOP! :BH :BH :BH

Hey! Maybe I can get a disability check! I feel better now ;D

) @ you! She was just rude.

 

[Cheezy]

That's not the point. Discrimination is discrimination whether money is given or not. They may donate money to GS for all I know. If not, then they are discriminating against a girl's organization by previously favoring a boy's organization and its importance over a girls organization. I mean, if we are going to run the logic all the way, then let's run it ALL THE WAY.

If gay persons, who are attracted to men sexually, are permitted to go on camping trips with young men, then it's only fair that 40 year old men (or men of any age for that matter) should be permitted to go on camping trips with young women. It's not all that complex to me. OR, is their a double standard when it comes to men being Den Mothers?

Very valid point, Grey. I don't agree AT ALL with the Boy Scout's stance on gays joining and being Scout Masters (or whatever they are called). Hell, some of the women who are SM look plenty gay so should they be disallowed? I remember Dads going on camping trips with us GS. We didn't think anything about it.

 

[Cheezy]

I don't think protecting young boys is discrimination. Really, would you have sent your son to go camping with BS leaders if they were gay?

Why, yes. Yes, I would. What difference does it make?

 

[stradial]

Keep up this bickering and we will not stop for icecream!

 

[Cheezy]

It's their right as an organization.

The question that springs to my mind is "Why now?"

Yes that is the looming question. They were OK with it for years, what changed?? At any rate, there have been several businesses that have done this in the past, when it happens three or four more step up their contributions because, regardless what anyone says Boy Scouts is a wonderful program and a phenomenal organization. Keeping boys safe is their #1 priority. They also have a coed program for girls and boys 14+, they are required to have a male and female adviser with them at all times.

I understand homosexual men are not all pedophiles, however the organization is seated in growing boys into men. The boys look up to and mimic their leaders, most of the leaders understand the type of "worship" they receive from those young men. Many of them don't have father's in their lives and their Scout Leader is a needed substitute. It's a slippery slope and one that must be handled with the utmost integrity.

As a parent I prefer my son be led by a strong straight guy so as he grows to his own sexual maturity he's not confused by his leader's sexual orientation. I just don't understand why it's so hard for anyone to understand why people have a problem with a homosexual man sleeping in the woods with a bunch of teenage boys, sometimes a week at a time. The opportunity exists for inappropriate behavior for every adult accompanying those boys and girls.

No big deal except no more UPS for me, Fed Ex will do just as good a job. I have a feeling UPS will loose a good bit of the scouting families' business, and there are thousands of families throughout the US and worldwide. If they're OK with that, the Boy Scouts of America is too.

What I am reading here, and correct me if I am wrong, is that no homosexual man is a strong man? There are more gay men that you realize because they are strong, manly men. Female leaders can also cross the line with young and impressionate boys. hmmm.....

 

[ShoeDiva]

Keep up this bickering and we will not stop for icecream!

We had a good debate, until this morning. (P.S. I don't really like ice cream)

 

[Cheezy]

I don't think protecting young boys is discrimination. Really, would you have sent your son to go camping with BS leaders if they were gay?

Actually yes I would have. Gay does not equal pedophile.

Agreed.

But if you had a young daughter, would you allow her to go camping with a 40 year old man as the camp leader? He probably isn't a pedophile either, but...

See the parallel?

Yes, I would.