Joel O.

[deewee]

These are just my opinions and beliefs at this time, your may be different.


Let's take a scripture from the bible.
To me, that scripture says and means A.
To someone else, that scripture says and means B.
To another, that scripture says and means C.
And let's say that each has a number of people who believe as they do about what that scripture means.

Is one right and the other two wrong?
Are two right and the third wrong?
Can all three be right?

If your answer is that only one can be right, and the scripture says and means what you believe it means, then you will get along fine with those who believe like you, but I doubt you will ever do well in getting others to change to your beliefs.

If your answer is that two can possible be right, then you may be helpful to others in bringing them to your way of belief.

If your answer is that all three can possible be right, then you will be very good at helping others to see your point of view and helping others along their spiritual path and possible bringing them around to your point of view.

What is my answer to the questions?
This is what it means to me at this time, as my spiritual life grows and my understanding grows, it may mean that to me also in the future, but at this time, it means this to me.
So to me, it is possible that all three meanings can be correct.
Perhaps I am just not far enough along the spiritual path to understand....or perhaps I am further along the spiritual path and I understand more.

I wish I felt better today, so I could actually think and make sense of anything. I just feel that bad right now.

All I can say to respond is this: We are responsible, as in each person, to rightly divide the word of God. Each person can not look at the same scripture and have differing, but correct, thoughts on that scripture. The word is the word. There are some passages that are literal, while others are not. The only way to mete out the actual truth in all cases of scripture is by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. He will not mislead, or misinterpret the word. Without him, we can get a lot of scripture wrong very easily.

 

[stradial]

These are just my opinions and beliefs at this time, your may be different.


Let's take a scripture from the bible.
To me, that scripture says and means A.
To someone else, that scripture says and means B.
To another, that scripture says and means C.
And let's say that each has a number of people who believe as they do about what that scripture means.

Is one right and the other two wrong?
Are two right and the third wrong?
Can all three be right?

If your answer is that only one can be right, and the scripture says and means what you believe it means, then you will get along fine with those who believe like you, but I doubt you will ever do well in getting others to change to your beliefs.

If your answer is that two can possible be right, then you may be helpful to others in bringing them to your way of belief.

If your answer is that all three can possible be right, then you will be very good at helping others to see your point of view and helping others along their spiritual path and possible bringing them around to your point of view.

What is my answer to the questions?
This is what it means to me at this time, as my spiritual life grows and my understanding grows, it may mean that to me also in the future, but at this time, it means this to me.
So to me, it is possible that all three meanings can be correct.
Perhaps I am just not far enough along the spiritual path to understand....or perhaps I am further along the spiritual path and I understand more.

I wish I felt better today, so I could actually think and make sense of anything. I just feel that bad right now.

All I can say to respond is this: We are responsible, as in each person, to rightly divide the word of God. Each person can not look at the same scripture and have differing, but correct, thoughts on that scripture. The word is the word. There are some passages that are literal, while others are not. The only way to mete out the actual truth in all cases of scripture is by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. He will not mislead, or misinterpret the word. Without him, we can get a lot of scripture wrong very easily.

I guess that is a shorter way of making my point.
We are in complete agreement.

 

[I'm Floored]

Oh, goodness. I probably shouldn't have wandered in here....

:whistle

 

[deewee]

Oh, goodness. I probably shouldn't have wandered in here....

:whistle

Yes. Yes you should. :love

 

[ShoeDiva]

These are just my opinions and beliefs at this time, your may be different.


Let's take a scripture from the bible.
To me, that scripture says and means A.
To someone else, that scripture says and means B.
To another, that scripture says and means C.
And let's say that each has a number of people who believe as they do about what that scripture means.

Is one right and the other two wrong?
Are two right and the third wrong?
Can all three be right?

If your answer is that only one can be right, and the scripture says and means what you believe it means, then you will get along fine with those who believe like you, but I doubt you will ever do well in getting others to change to your beliefs.

If your answer is that two can possible be right, then you may be helpful to others in bringing them to your way of belief.

If your answer is that all three can possible be right, then you will be very good at helping others to see your point of view and helping others along their spiritual path and possible bringing them around to your point of view.

What is my answer to the questions?
This is what it means to me at this time, as my spiritual life grows and my understanding grows, it may mean that to me also in the future, but at this time, it means this to me.
So to me, it is possible that all three meanings can be correct.
Perhaps I am just not far enough along the spiritual path to understand....or perhaps I am further along the spiritual path and I understand more.

I wish I felt better today, so I could actually think and make sense of anything. I just feel that bad right now.

All I can say to respond is this: We are responsible, as in each person, to rightly divide the word of God. Each person can not look at the same scripture and have differing, but correct, thoughts on that scripture. The word is the word. There are some passages that are literal, while others are not. The only way to mete out the actual truth in all cases of scripture is by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. He will not mislead, or misinterpret the word. Without him, we can get a lot of scripture wrong very easily.

Theologists do and I do not believe that any of them are wrong. I have stated so many times ) that how scripture is interpreted is the difference in many religions and many different sects of Christianity. Now I do understand that there are literal things like, "do not kill" that can not really be interpreted in many ways ) but there are other things that while you (general you) might be guided to believe is the correct interpretation of the word another is guided in a different direction or meaning of that same passage. Is one more right than another? I try my best to believe not (unless blatantly "out there" with the interpretation). That is one reason I mentioned in my last post to ML I was unsure of JO's religion and it could be his interpretation of the passage that I or others understand differently because we belong and have been taught another way. (again, he is still creepy.... and in this situation I do not know what he preaches, but to say that people can not look at scripture and have two different, but correct thoughts, in my opinion, is not a factual statement.)

 

[ShoeDiva]

Oh, goodness. I probably shouldn't have wandered in here....

:whistle

I wondered where you were. )

 

[Grey Colson]

Oh, goodness. I probably shouldn't have wandered in here....

:whistle

I'm beginning to feel the same, even though I started it. Gotta do some work anyway. TTFN

 

[mei lan]

Since you want to play this game, here are the things I know that Charles Stanley said that I believe to be unBiblical:

- I heard him say from the pulpit that all drinking is a sin. Clearly not in line with Scropture. Will post references when I am not posting from phone.

- I was in a service once where he stopped a song that talks about Jesus showing His His smiling face and said that wasn't right. Not in line with passages in Numbers and Proverbs.

- I cannot pinpoint a time where he said all divorce is wrong, but he practiced it in that no staff members were allowed to be divorced and it was s to guy frowned upon. Until his own divorce, and then everything changed.

I will not get into the internal conflicts where he said one thing about loans and did another, or where he said one thing about stepping aside and did another.

Then there was the time when Tony Evans castigated me in person for complimenting his no-frills church in Dallas, saying I was gonna be in trouble when I got to heaven if I didn't like extravagant opulence. Then there was the time I heard John MacArthur spend an entire sermon bashing another pastor with whom he disagreed.

Shall I continue? My point here is not to bash these men because I believe they believe the right thing and they are intent on doing the right thing to the best of their ability (and while I have my differences with Stanley, I include him in this). Rather, my intent is to show that as I said, I can play this game all day long.

And while you can argue that the Osteens' alleged errors are more egregious, I can argue differently and we wind up at the same place. My point is that if you don't want to watch, fine. But I just don't see the need to disparage a ministry that professes Jesus, period.

There's a fantastic old Russ Taff song that illustrates my position on this; lyrics below:

WE WILL STAND

Sometimes it's hard for me to understand
Why we pull away from each other so easily
Even though we're all walking the same road
Yet we build dividing walls between our brothers and ourselves

But I, I don't care what label you may wear
If you believe in Jesus you belong with me
The bond we share is all I care to see
And we can change this world forever
If you will join with me, join and sing

Oh you're my brother, you're my sister
So take me by the hand
Together we will work until He comes
There's no foe that can defeat us
When we're walking side by side
As long as there is love we will stand

The day will come when we will be as one
And with a mighty voice together
We will proclaim that Jesus, Jesus is King
And it will echo through the earth
It will shake the nations and the world will see, see that

You're my brother, you're my sister
So take me by the hand
Together we will work until He comes
There's no foe that can defeat us
When we're walking side by side
As long as there is love we will stand

The time is here, the time is now
To take a stand, to make a vow
I won't let go, you're not alone
Now and forever we'll sing together

You're my brother, you're my sister
So take me by the hand
Together we will work until He comes
There's no foe that can defeat us
When we're walking side by side
As long as there is love we will stand

You're my brother, you're my sister
So take me by the hand
Together we will work until He comes
There's no foe that can defeat us
When we're walking side by side
As long as there is love we will stand

We will stand
We will, we will stand
We will stand

 

[mei lan]

RE: the Victoria video - many things that are commanded in Scripture that are not for God's benefit but for ours. And I think worship is one of those. Yes, God is to be worshipped, but who needs reminding that He is God - Him or us? More when I am at puter.

RE: the Joel video - srsly? That is the big hubbub? I agree with everything he said down the line. We believe in Jesus and that He is the only way. But my name is not Holy Spirit and it is not my place to judge someone else's heart. Whether they go to heaven is between them and God. How on earth is that unBiblical?

 

[deewee]

These are just my opinions and beliefs at this time, your may be different.


Let's take a scripture from the bible.
To me, that scripture says and means A.
To someone else, that scripture says and means B.
To another, that scripture says and means C.
And let's say that each has a number of people who believe as they do about what that scripture means.

Is one right and the other two wrong?
Are two right and the third wrong?
Can all three be right?

If your answer is that only one can be right, and the scripture says and means what you believe it means, then you will get along fine with those who believe like you, but I doubt you will ever do well in getting others to change to your beliefs.

If your answer is that two can possible be right, then you may be helpful to others in bringing them to your way of belief.

If your answer is that all three can possible be right, then you will be very good at helping others to see your point of view and helping others along their spiritual path and possible bringing them around to your point of view.

What is my answer to the questions?
This is what it means to me at this time, as my spiritual life grows and my understanding grows, it may mean that to me also in the future, but at this time, it means this to me.
So to me, it is possible that all three meanings can be correct.
Perhaps I am just not far enough along the spiritual path to understand....or perhaps I am further along the spiritual path and I understand more.

I wish I felt better today, so I could actually think and make sense of anything. I just feel that bad right now.

All I can say to respond is this: We are responsible, as in each person, to rightly divide the word of God. Each person can not look at the same scripture and have differing, but correct, thoughts on that scripture. The word is the word. There are some passages that are literal, while others are not. The only way to mete out the actual truth in all cases of scripture is by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. He will not mislead, or misinterpret the word. Without him, we can get a lot of scripture wrong very easily.

Theologists do and I do not believe that any of them are wrong. I have stated so many times ) that how scripture is interpreted is the difference in many religions and many different sects of Christianity. Now I do understand that there are literal things like, "do not kill" that can not really be interpreted in many ways ) but there are other things that while you (general you) might be guided to believe is the correct interpretation of the word another is guided in a different direction or meaning of that same passage. Is one more right than another? I try my best to believe not (unless blatantly "out there" with the interpretation). That is one reason I mentioned in my last post to ML I was unsure of JO's religion and it could be his interpretation of the passage that I or others understand differently because we belong and have been taught another way. (again, he is still creepy.... and in this situation I do not know what he preaches, but to say that people can not look at scripture and have two different, but correct thoughts, in my opinion, is not a factual statement.)

Two different theologians, reading the same scripture, and both having different interpretations (and by this I mean conflicting), equals one of them being wrong. I don't care if you're called a theologian, preacher, rabbi, monk, priest, layman, whatever...if you are going to teach the word then you carry a greater responsibility in presenting the word correctly.

IE: a) one teacher teaches Jesus is son of God
b) another teaches Jesus is merely a prophet

Who is right? The answer is A, and woah to anyone that teaches B.

(I'm just throwing an example out there)

 

[ShoeDiva]

These are just my opinions and beliefs at this time, your may be different.


Let's take a scripture from the bible.
To me, that scripture says and means A.
To someone else, that scripture says and means B.
To another, that scripture says and means C.
And let's say that each has a number of people who believe as they do about what that scripture means.

Is one right and the other two wrong?
Are two right and the third wrong?
Can all three be right?

If your answer is that only one can be right, and the scripture says and means what you believe it means, then you will get along fine with those who believe like you, but I doubt you will ever do well in getting others to change to your beliefs.

If your answer is that two can possible be right, then you may be helpful to others in bringing them to your way of belief.

If your answer is that all three can possible be right, then you will be very good at helping others to see your point of view and helping others along their spiritual path and possible bringing them around to your point of view.

What is my answer to the questions?
This is what it means to me at this time, as my spiritual life grows and my understanding grows, it may mean that to me also in the future, but at this time, it means this to me.
So to me, it is possible that all three meanings can be correct.
Perhaps I am just not far enough along the spiritual path to understand....or perhaps I am further along the spiritual path and I understand more.

I wish I felt better today, so I could actually think and make sense of anything. I just feel that bad right now.

All I can say to respond is this: We are responsible, as in each person, to rightly divide the word of God. Each person can not look at the same scripture and have differing, but correct, thoughts on that scripture. The word is the word. There are some passages that are literal, while others are not. The only way to mete out the actual truth in all cases of scripture is by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. He will not mislead, or misinterpret the word. Without him, we can get a lot of scripture wrong very easily.

Theologists do and I do not believe that any of them are wrong. I have stated so many times ) that how scripture is interpreted is the difference in many religions and many different sects of Christianity. Now I do understand that there are literal things like, "do not kill" that can not really be interpreted in many ways ) but there are other things that while you (general you) might be guided to believe is the correct interpretation of the word another is guided in a different direction or meaning of that same passage. Is one more right than another? I try my best to believe not (unless blatantly "out there" with the interpretation). That is one reason I mentioned in my last post to ML I was unsure of JO's religion and it could be his interpretation of the passage that I or others understand differently because we belong and have been taught another way. (again, he is still creepy.... and in this situation I do not know what he preaches, but to say that people can not look at scripture and have two different, but correct thoughts, in my opinion, is not a factual statement.)

Two different theologians, reading the same scripture, and both having different interpretations (and by this I mean conflicting), equals one of them being wrong. I don't care if you're called a theologian, preacher, rabbi, monk, priest, layman, whatever...if you are going to teach the word then you carry a greater responsibility in presenting the word correctly.

IE: a) one teacher teaches Jesus is son of God
b) another teaches Jesus is merely a prophet

Who is right? The answer is A, and woah to anyone that teaches B.

(I'm just throwing an example out there)

That is a fundamental basic. We can go passage by passage, chapter and verse and we will find vast differences in what the interpretation is. There is no denying that. That is why we have so many different Christian religions, is your belief of one thing right and mine wrong? I do not believe that, nor do I believe mine is more right than yours. They are teaching the word as they have been taught and your "correctly" might not be mine or theirs.

People can argue all day long, and they do ) but just because you (general) do not believe one interpretation of a passage does not make it unbiblical to others. (and most of the times both sides have good arguments as to why their way is right) There are so many differences and so many people, theologians, priests, ministers, and the man that decides to preach and makes a church who decides who is right and who is wrong?

I know my teachings are different than others. I accept that there could be things more right in another religion and more right in mine. I accept that everyone has a right to worship as they do and it might not be the same as me, but I do not believe that just because it is not the same it is wrong. (I am speaking in this instance of Christianity and all of us using the Bible, though you guys are a little slim on chapters ) )

Again, I really do not have much to stand on when it comes to JO because I can not watch him. It is not just him though, there are a few of those on air preachers that creep me out. My issue though. )

 

[deewee]

Since you want to play this game, here are the things I know that Charles Stanley said that I believe to be unBiblical:

- I heard him say from the pulpit that all drinking is a sin. Clearly not in line with Scropture. Will post references when I am not posting from phone.

- I was in a service once where he stopped a song that talks about Jesus showing His His smiling face and said that wasn't right. Not in line with passages in Numbers and Proverbs.

- I cannot pinpoint a time where he said all divorce is wrong, but he practiced it in that no staff members were allowed to be divorced and it was s to guy frowned upon. Until his own divorce, and then everything changed.

I will not get into the internal conflicts where he said one thing about loans and did another, or where he said one thing about stepping aside and did another.

Then there was the time when Tony Evans castigated me in person for complimenting his no-frills church in Dallas, saying I was gonna be in trouble when I got to heaven if I didn't like extravagant opulence. Then there was the time I heard John MacArthur spend an entire sermon bashing another pastor with whom he disagreed.

Shall I continue? My point here is not to bash these men because I believe they believe the right thing and they are intent on doing the right thing to the best of their ability (and while I have my differences with Stanley, I include him in this). Rather, my intent is to show that as I said, I can play this game all day long.

And while you can argue that the Osteens' alleged errors are more egregious, I can argue differently and we wind up at the same place. My point is that if you don't want to watch, fine. But I just don't see the need to disparage a ministry that professes Jesus, period.

There's a fantastic old Russ Taff song that illustrates my position on this; lyrics below:

WE WILL STAND

Sometimes it's hard for me to understand
Why we pull away from each other so easily
Even though we're all walking the same road
Yet we build dividing walls between our brothers and ourselves

But I, I don't care what label you may wear
If you believe in Jesus you belong with me
The bond we share is all I care to see
And we can change this world forever
If you will join with me, join and sing

Oh you're my brother, you're my sister
So take me by the hand
Together we will work until He comes
There's no foe that can defeat us
When we're walking side by side
As long as there is love we will stand

The day will come when we will be as one
And with a mighty voice together
We will proclaim that Jesus, Jesus is King
And it will echo through the earth
It will shake the nations and the world will see, see that

You're my brother, you're my sister
So take me by the hand
Together we will work until He comes
There's no foe that can defeat us
When we're walking side by side
As long as there is love we will stand

The time is here, the time is now
To take a stand, to make a vow
I won't let go, you're not alone
Now and forever we'll sing together

You're my brother, you're my sister
So take me by the hand
Together we will work until He comes
There's no foe that can defeat us
When we're walking side by side
As long as there is love we will stand

You're my brother, you're my sister
So take me by the hand
Together we will work until He comes
There's no foe that can defeat us
When we're walking side by side
As long as there is love we will stand

We will stand
We will, we will stand
We will stand

Not in front of a computer, so I'm keeping this short. I'm not bashing anyone, but did point out error. Any ministry can profess Jesus, and still get it wrong. Just because I hear the name "Jesus" out of someone's mouth does not mean I'm automatically going to believe them to have sound theology. In fact, it usually means I'm now going to listen, with even more discernment (via the knowledge I already possess, and the bible) to determine if they are someone I should listen to, or not.

I never cared much for Charles Stanley, either. In fact, there's not a single TV preacher I care to watch. I used to enjoy listening to a couple of them on the radio, but since I don't have a commute that allows me time to hear the whole broadcast I quit listening.

As for the Victoria Osteen clip, worship IS all about God. It's for Him, to glorify Him, to praise Him, to thank Him. Why else is that worship is what goes on in Heaven, where there are no troubles, or cares, no need to be made happy? We do gain great benefit from it, our souls are lifted by worship, and worship draws us nearer to God as we focus on Him.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Not in front of a computer, so I'm keeping this short. I'm not bashing anyone, but did point out error. Any ministry can profess Jesus, and still get it wrong. Just because I hear the name "Jesus" out of someone's mouth does not mean I'm automatically going to believe them to have sound theology. In fact, it usually means I'm now going to listen, with even more discernment (via the knowledge I already possess, and the bible) to determine if they are someone I should listen to, or not.

I never cared much for Charles Stanley, either. In fact, there's not a single TV preacher I care to watch. I used to enjoy listening to a couple of them on the radio, but since I don't have a commute that allows me time to hear the whole broadcast I quit listening.

As for the Victoria Osteen clip, worship IS all about God. It's for Him, to glorify Him, to praise Him, to thank Him. Why else is that worship is what goes on in Heaven, where there are no troubles, or cares, no need to be made happy? We do gain great benefit from it, our souls are lifted by worship, and worship draws us nearer to God as we focus on Him.

Right there with you. )

Hey, does anyone know why people started preaching on tv? (really asking, I have no clue)

 

[stradial]

Not in front of a computer, so I'm keeping this short. I'm not bashing anyone, but did point out error. Any ministry can profess Jesus, and still get it wrong. Just because I hear the name "Jesus" out of someone's mouth does not mean I'm automatically going to believe them to have sound theology. In fact, it usually means I'm now going to listen, with even more discernment (via the knowledge I already possess, and the bible) to determine if they are someone I should listen to, or not.

I never cared much for Charles Stanley, either. In fact, there's not a single TV preacher I care to watch. I used to enjoy listening to a couple of them on the radio, but since I don't have a commute that allows me time to hear the whole broadcast I quit listening.

As for the Victoria Osteen clip, worship IS all about God. It's for Him, to glorify Him, to praise Him, to thank Him. Why else is that worship is what goes on in Heaven, where there are no troubles, or cares, no need to be made happy? We do gain great benefit from it, our souls are lifted by worship, and worship draws us nearer to God as we focus on Him.

Right there with you. )

Hey, does anyone know why people started preaching on tv? (really asking, I have no clue)

There were always preachers on the radio, of all faiths.
I could be wrong, but I think Bishop Sheen was the first major TV preacher.
I don't know if he was the first on TV, but I am pretty sure he was the first big time TV preacher.
In fact, I think most of the first big time TV preachers were Catholic.
Remember that TV started in the north east and that is big Catholic country.

 

[mei lan]

As for the Victoria Osteen clip, worship IS all about God. It's for Him, to glorify Him, to praise Him, to thank Him. Why else is that worship is what goes on in Heaven, where there are no troubles, or cares, no need to be made happy? We do gain great benefit from it, our souls are lifted by worship, and worship draws us nearer to God as we focus on Him.

Worship by definition is all about God...worship puts the focus on Him, magnifies Him, etc. So she is not saying not to focus on Him.

But as a larger point - let's say she is completely wrong in every regard in what she said in this video. How is that different from my examples of other pastors/Bible teachers making errors (and any other myriad examples I could find)? Are we really going to sit around nit-picking every single sermon and teacher we ever hear? NOTE: I am NOT saying don't be discerning. The Bible is clear when it says to test everything.* What I am saying is we can be discerning without seeking out Every. Single. Participle. that we don't agree with.

* Biblical instructions to test everything:

Acts 17:11 (NIV) - Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

I Thessalonians 5:20-22 (Message) - Don’t suppress the Spirit, and don’t stifle those who have a word from the Master. On the other hand, don’t be gullible. Check out everything, and keep only what’s good. Throw out anything tainted with evil.

My final thoughts on the subject are these - first is the lyrics of the Russ Taff song with which I completely agree. Second is this: with all the things in the world which are coming against the Kingdom of God such as abortion, drugs, divorce, extramarital affairs, atheism, other religions which do NOT preach Jesus and who want to harm the faith, et al - with all these things coming against us, are we really going to sit around harping about this or that that somebody who DOES preach Jesus said that we don't agree with? The Osteens, the RC church, the Mormon church all preach Jesus, and as far as I'm concerned, where we differ is not my focus. My intent is to join with other believers of all stripes who preach Jesus and work towards being what God wants me to be and fulfilling what He wants me to do in this world.

 

[stradial]

I have stated my personal beliefs and opinions as they are at this time.
Some may agree, some may disagree.
The good news for me (and all of us actually) is that while I am always willing to listen to another persons beliefs, after all, I may learn something, in the end, it is my relationship with the Supreme Being that counts, not what anyone else thinks, it is between me and my maker.

 

[deewee]

"You're not doing it (worship) for God, you're doing it for yourself"

"Do good for your own self"

"God takes pleasure when you're happy. That's what gives God the greatest joy."

All wrong, and not the least bit grounded in scripture. She's encouraging people to make themselves happy, leave God out of it, as long as we're happy.

They draw a crowd for sure, but I sometimes wonder if they realize their scriptural responsibility.

 

[J-man]

Not in front of a computer, so I'm keeping this short. I'm not bashing anyone, but did point out error. Any ministry can profess Jesus, and still get it wrong. Just because I hear the name "Jesus" out of someone's mouth does not mean I'm automatically going to believe them to have sound theology. In fact, it usually means I'm now going to listen, with even more discernment (via the knowledge I already possess, and the bible) to determine if they are someone I should listen to, or not.

I never cared much for Charles Stanley, either. In fact, there's not a single TV preacher I care to watch. I used to enjoy listening to a couple of them on the radio, but since I don't have a commute that allows me time to hear the whole broadcast I quit listening.

As for the Victoria Osteen clip, worship IS all about God. It's for Him, to glorify Him, to praise Him, to thank Him. Why else is that worship is what goes on in Heaven, where there are no troubles, or cares, no need to be made happy? We do gain great benefit from it, our souls are lifted by worship, and worship draws us nearer to God as we focus on Him.

Right there with you. )

Hey, does anyone know why people started preaching on tv? (really asking, I have no clue)

My guess is because they got their butt ran out of their traditional church or they got the idea that, "Hey, I bet I could get a tv show then get people to send money."

My dad always said if someone was down and out on their luck there is always hope that the they will "hear the calling" into the ministry. While I didn't really understand it when I was younger I've sadly met a few in the ministry that very possibly could have followed that advice.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Not in front of a computer, so I'm keeping this short. I'm not bashing anyone, but did point out error. Any ministry can profess Jesus, and still get it wrong. Just because I hear the name "Jesus" out of someone's mouth does not mean I'm automatically going to believe them to have sound theology. In fact, it usually means I'm now going to listen, with even more discernment (via the knowledge I already possess, and the bible) to determine if they are someone I should listen to, or not.

I never cared much for Charles Stanley, either. In fact, there's not a single TV preacher I care to watch. I used to enjoy listening to a couple of them on the radio, but since I don't have a commute that allows me time to hear the whole broadcast I quit listening.

As for the Victoria Osteen clip, worship IS all about God. It's for Him, to glorify Him, to praise Him, to thank Him. Why else is that worship is what goes on in Heaven, where there are no troubles, or cares, no need to be made happy? We do gain great benefit from it, our souls are lifted by worship, and worship draws us nearer to God as we focus on Him.

Right there with you. )

Hey, does anyone know why people started preaching on tv? (really asking, I have no clue)

There were always preachers on the radio, of all faiths.
I could be wrong, but I think Bishop Sheen was the first major TV preacher.
I don't know if he was the first on TV, but I am pretty sure he was the first big time TV preacher.
In fact, I think most of the first big time TV preachers were Catholic.
Remember that TV started in the north east and that is big Catholic country.

:thumbsup I did not know that!

 

[ShoeDiva]

Not in front of a computer, so I'm keeping this short. I'm not bashing anyone, but did point out error. Any ministry can profess Jesus, and still get it wrong. Just because I hear the name "Jesus" out of someone's mouth does not mean I'm automatically going to believe them to have sound theology. In fact, it usually means I'm now going to listen, with even more discernment (via the knowledge I already possess, and the bible) to determine if they are someone I should listen to, or not.

I never cared much for Charles Stanley, either. In fact, there's not a single TV preacher I care to watch. I used to enjoy listening to a couple of them on the radio, but since I don't have a commute that allows me time to hear the whole broadcast I quit listening.

As for the Victoria Osteen clip, worship IS all about God. It's for Him, to glorify Him, to praise Him, to thank Him. Why else is that worship is what goes on in Heaven, where there are no troubles, or cares, no need to be made happy? We do gain great benefit from it, our souls are lifted by worship, and worship draws us nearer to God as we focus on Him.

Right there with you. )

Hey, does anyone know why people started preaching on tv? (really asking, I have no clue)

My guess is because they got their butt ran out of their traditional church or they got the idea that, "Hey, I bet I could get a tv show then get people to send money."

My dad always said if someone was down and out on their luck there is always hope that the they will "hear the calling" into the ministry. While I didn't really understand it when I was younger I've sadly met a few in the ministry that very possibly could have followed that advice.

:spitchick That has been close to my thoughts, yet I just read what StRadial wrote. I will have to look into it because Catholic priests, on the most part, do not live for extravagant clothes, cars, homes so I guess I could be wrong that it is more about money. :dunno Though, that is what I have always taken from the shows I have actually seen.