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Stellarvore said:
Ron Paul's foreign policy - "Hi, we're America. We can be friends or not. Either way, let's do business and keep out of each others business. Oh, and if you attack us we'll destroy you."

That's what I get from his policy, and I see nothing wrong with it.

IF that's his policy, I'm pretty much down with it. But I think he's a little more isolationist than I am.
 
newsjunky said:
mei lan said:
Madea said:
mei lan said:
Winchester said:
Yep. People just cannot get past the idea of not voting for a preacher and for someone who can get the job done.

Yes, and that is totally infuriating. We do not need a pastor to lead us; we need a strong conservative President, and I don't care if that president is a lesbian, gap-toothed, atheistic, flying purple people-eater if she will govern conservatively (i.e., personal freedom, personal responsibility, lower taxes, strong defense, etc.) and get the government out of people's lives!!! :jumpingupanddowninfrustration:

I gots me a pastor. What I needs is a President.

And while I'm on my soapbox, I'll go a step further and say that all the people who vote for Santorum because he's socially conservative are saying that they want the government to make people behave in a certain way INSTEAD OF their taking responsibility for living what they say they believe and changing lives around them one person at a time.

I am so mad I could spit.
Amen to both your last posts and you forgot "govern according to the Constitution".

YES YES YES!!!!!!! My bad. You are 1000% correct!!!
 
Stellarvore said:
Until I came across that bread thing I posted in Religion [see my OT thread] I was pretty sure I wanted to be a heathen. I'm not even sure yet. I still need some convincing that Christian-version God is the true God.

OK, you're a yankee, so Imma cut you some slack. Here's the thing - you cannot live in the south and be a heathen without learning the correct way to pronounce it: "HEATHERN". ;)

Also, keep investigating that true God thing. God will always reveal Himself to those to are truly searching for TRUTH. Go for it...He can handle your questions. :)
 
Grey Colson said:
mei lan said:
And while I'm on my soapbox, I'll go a step further and say that all the people who vote for Santorum because he's socially conservative are saying that they want the government to make people behave in a certain way INSTEAD OF their taking responsibility for living what they say they believe and changing lives around them one person at a time.

I am so mad I could spit.

As much as we would like to, we can not change people's hearts. All we can do is live as God expects and be a living witness. No one can legistlate morality. I appreciate his efforts and I would VERY much like to see a Chirstian in the White House, but I would hope he understands that he can not change people. This world has been given over to satan and it will not change until God's plan is complete.

But in the meantime...I will NOT ever vote for a heathen. If a heathen is in office, we can only pray what is in Revelations.

"He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus".

I don't disagree with what you say about changing people and legislating morality. However, let me pose you a question - Say (God forbid) Daughter Colson needed life-saving surgery and you had two choices for the surgeon. #1 is a total heathern who doesn't believe in anything but is a brilliant surgeon. #2 is a devout Christian but is a mediocre surgeon at best. Which choice would you make? Me, I'm going with Mr. Heathern and praying the Lord guides his hands. I believe that's exactly where we are as a nation. Governance doesn't need a particular religious belief to be done correctly; it needs an adherence to the principles of the Constitution to be done correctly.
 
LisaC said:
Grey Colson said:
LisaC said:
I don't see a Romney/Santorum ticket - Romney's people need to find a dynamic candidate that is going to appeal to the democrats. Gingrich is too strong of a personality to be VP to Romney. Santorum is goo conservative, Paul doesn't know the meaning of "foreign" policy. We need someone like Herman Cain or a young Republican hotshot to get the attention of the voters - you have to have someone with a strong likeability factor, IMO.

I'm thinking Rubio. Although he has not expressed interest, I don't believe he has closed the door on it either. That's who I would go for 8)

Rubio would be a good choice, but he might tick off a lot of Republicans with his stance on immigration.

Rubio is also a squish on several other things. He was also a Mormon as a kid. Now, I don't care if he was a satanist when he was a kid, but the MSM will crucify him on that one, TRUST ME. I'm guessing he's still at the top of the VP list, though.
 
Romney would increase his chances with a wellknown running mate from the South; even if the running mate has some differing opinions.
 
Today's politics are getting tougher and tougher because the left is doing a great job boxing people into groups and making the differences so important that any one candidate can't possibly represent them all. Heck, just finding someone to represent 50% is getting very difficult. I've always thought that the socialists of this country want to see a third part arise because they feel they can gather more support among those who have mild differences than those with strong moral and ethical convictions.
 
Stellarvore said:
He could get Jindal. Well, I suppose he could get David Duke, too, and while tasteless is how I roll, I think Jindal would go over better. And then he has that "minority appeal" even though Jindal appears as American as apple pie IMO.

Actually, I was hoping Jindal would run for President this year.
 
LisaC said:
Stellarvore said:
He could get Jindal. Well, I suppose he could get David Duke, too, and while tasteless is how I roll, I think Jindal would go over better. And then he has that "minority appeal" even though Jindal appears as American as apple pie IMO.

Actually, I was hoping Jindal would run for President this year.
Yep, I like him too
 
mei lan said:
Grey Colson said:
mei lan said:
And while I'm on my soapbox, I'll go a step further and say that all the people who vote for Santorum because he's socially conservative are saying that they want the government to make people behave in a certain way INSTEAD OF their taking responsibility for living what they say they believe and changing lives around them one person at a time.

I am so mad I could spit.

As much as we would like to, we can not change people's hearts. All we can do is live as God expects and be a living witness. No one can legistlate morality. I appreciate his efforts and I would VERY much like to see a Chirstian in the White House, but I would hope he understands that he can not change people. This world has been given over to satan and it will not change until God's plan is complete.

But in the meantime...I will NOT ever vote for a heathen. If a heathen is in office, we can only pray what is in Revelations.

"He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus".

I don't disagree with what you say about changing people and legislating morality. However, let me pose you a question - Say (God forbid) Daughter Colson needed life-saving surgery and you had two choices for the surgeon. #1 is a total heathern who doesn't believe in anything but is a brilliant surgeon. #2 is a devout Christian but is a mediocre surgeon at best. Which choice would you make? Me, I'm going with Mr. Heathern and praying the Lord guides his hands. I believe that's exactly where we are as a nation. Governance doesn't need a particular religious belief to be done correctly; it needs an adherence to the principles of the Constitution to be done correctly.

To be honest, I couldn't say what my current doctor believes and we've never spoken about it. I suppose my answer would be that it wouldn't even be a consideration. I don't care if a Mormon, Catholic or Baptist is president. As a matter of fact, Jimma Carter was Baptist and I couldn't be any more embarrased because of it.

I just want the president to be a true conservative. Chances are, a heathen won't be, so I feel that is a good indicator for me to consider. ;D
 
Personally, I think the media makes a bigger deal of the role religion plays than it actually does. In large part as a way to discredit those who do have strongly held religious beliefs.

I do think that those who have strong religious beliefs are generally more conservative in all areas of their lives and their votes reflect that.
 
LisaC said:
Grey Colson said:
LisaC said:
I don't see a Romney/Santorum ticket - Romney's people need to find a dynamic candidate that is going to appeal to the democrats. Gingrich is too strong of a personality to be VP to Romney. Santorum is goo conservative, Paul doesn't know the meaning of "foreign" policy. We need someone like Herman Cain or a young Republican hotshot to get the attention of the voters - you have to have someone with a strong likeability factor, IMO.

I'm thinking Rubio. Although he has not expressed interest, I don't believe he has closed the door on it either. That's who I would go for 8)

Rubio would be a good choice, but he might tick off a lot of Republicans with his stance on immigration.
I have also heard Christie's name mentioned for VP.
 
newsjunky said:
LisaC said:
Grey Colson said:
LisaC said:
I don't see a Romney/Santorum ticket - Romney's people need to find a dynamic candidate that is going to appeal to the democrats. Gingrich is too strong of a personality to be VP to Romney. Santorum is goo conservative, Paul doesn't know the meaning of "foreign" policy. We need someone like Herman Cain or a young Republican hotshot to get the attention of the voters - you have to have someone with a strong likeability factor, IMO.

I'm thinking Rubio. Although he has not expressed interest, I don't believe he has closed the door on it either. That's who I would go for 8)

Rubio would be a good choice, but he might tick off a lot of Republicans with his stance on immigration.
I have also heard Christie's name mentioned for VP.

No, for the same reason Santorum wouldn't be chosen...two moderates from the NE would not fly. (Christie is a social moderate, and has a history of friendliness with Muslims.)
 
I was going to say that combination of Romney/Christie would totally lose the southern vote.
 
Here's what I think; if people are going to vote for whoever the GOP is because they are casting their vote against Obama, it won't matter where the running mate is from. A vote against Obama, is a vote against Obama.
 
Madea said:
I was going to say that combination of Romney/Christie would totally lose the southern vote.
There is no way that daffy Duck running with an (R) behind his name would lose the southern vote against Obama.
 
Foxmeister said:
Here's what I think; if people are going to vote for whoever the GOP is because they are casting their vote against Obama, it won't matter where the running mate is from. A vote against Obama, is a vote against Obama.

A lot of would-be voters will stay home if they aren't excited about their candidate.

Turnout is key
 
Guard Dad said:
Foxmeister said:
Here's what I think; if people are going to vote for whoever the GOP is because they are casting their vote against Obama, it won't matter where the running mate is from. A vote against Obama, is a vote against Obama.

A lot of would-be voters will stay home if they aren't excited about their candidate.

Turnout is key
They need to come out! Senate and House races are at stake.
 
lotstodo said:
Madea said:
I was going to say that combination of Romney/Christie would totally lose the southern vote.
There is no way that daffy Duck running with an (R) behind his name would lose the southern vote against Obama.
Daffy Duck would be an improvement at this point.
 
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