I\'m voting for Romney/Ryan

[Madea]

Guys, yall are wasting your breath...or typing. Obamabots cannot be swayed to change their position.



Dang, did I type that?

If I was supporting Obama, my name on here would be Democratic Devil...I stand behind Libertarian principles for a reason. It's because all I need, all I want is freedom and the financial and social bias gone. It's not going to happen with Obama, it's not going to happen with Romney either.

Please tell me how that will ever happen.

 

[Madea]

Guys, yall are wasting your breath...or typing. Obamabots cannot be swayed to change their position.



Dang, did I type that?

If I was supporting Obama, my name on here would be Democratic Devil...I stand behind Libertarian principles for a reason. It's because all I need, all I want is freedom and the financial and social bias gone. It's not going to happen with Obama, it's not going to happen with Romney either.

Please tell me how that will ever happen.

And, feel free to start a new thread with your plan.

 

[Lawguy]

Are you willing to accept the risk an administration that believes "you didn't build that", as the price for a vote on principle?

I agree that Romney isn't the most conservative candidate, but he has my unwavering support so long as the only other viable option is Obama.

No, not at all, but I'm not going to accept that the Rich have more rights than the poor either. I'm not going to accept that Romney is for the Patriot Act and the NDAA...Do you even know what the NDAA and the Patriot Act is?

Um, yes, I know what they are and am aware that they have nothing to do with what I said.
Rather than cite to extensive "Acts" as proof that you know more than anyone else, perhaps you would do better to identify the specific issue you have with the extensive acts if you wish to show your superiority.
In any event, if you feel the need to change the frame of reference (again) feel free.

 

[Winchester]

Guys, yall are wasting your breath...or typing. Obamabots cannot be swayed to change their position.



Dang, did I type that?

If I was supporting Obama, my name on here would be Democratic Devil...I stand behind Libertarian principles for a reason. It's because all I need, all I want is freedom and the financial and social bias gone. It's not going to happen with Obama, it's not going to happen with Romney either.

You sure you're not an obamabot? You seam to be repeating his lines and commercials .... word for word!

 

[LibertarianLegend]

What!? Repeating his lines? I've never even seen an ad of his, every time I see one, I feel like I need to puke. I think he's as bad as Romney. Why don't you take a look at my other post in the other topic?

 

[Winchester]

Why? They all say the same thing.......as Obama's commercials.

 

[LibertarianLegend]

Why? They all say the same thing.......as Obama's commercials.

Just because I point out facts that people would otherwise get mad and throw a fit, doesn't mean you can start calling people names. That my friend is very immature...

 

[Lawguy]

Have a look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84
BREAKING NEWS: GOV. ACTIVATING "FEMA CAMPS" ACROSS U.S.

"The US government has been scheming on how to provide for continuity of government for many decades now. According to Peter Santilli, an informant who is an ex-marine and worked on portions of the contingency plans known as Rex 84, civil unrest will come after a financial collapse.

The Readiness Exercise 1984, a.k.a. Rex 84, outlines continuity of government wherein the US Constitution is suspended, martial law is declared and the US military command take over state and local governments in order to ensure stabilization of our nation at any cost. Any American who is deemed a “national security threat” would be detained in an interment or FEMA camp.

The author of Rex 84 was Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, National Security Council (NSC) White House aids and NSC liaison to FEMA.

Rex 84 is the plan; the triggers are a series of executive orders . It is the continuity of government under specific contingency strategies that are laid out in various operations guide manuals. Operation Garden Plot is a subprogram of Rex 84.

Twice before, Rex 84 was implemented – during the LA riots and on 9/11. In these scenarios, only small portions of the entire set of documents were used. Within the series of contingency plans, implementation of them depends on the severity of the situation.

Some of the plans include internment camps where all or portions of the active or inactive military bases would be transformed into work camps where all considered to be dissonant would be held. The NORTHCOM army manuals clearly state that NATO forces will be used in every phase of the operation.

According to Santilli, procedures to move conventional, chemical and nuclear bombs across the nation without detection have been facilitated without notice by the US military.

Back in 1986, during his military service where he was involved with weapons transportation, Santilli describes how an unmarked refrigerated trailer driven by a civilian driver was used to transport chemical or conventional weapons to various strategic bases both above and underground.

Santilli was a specialist in aviation deployed weapons, which made him the perfect candidate to the assignment of weapons transportation.

The refrigerated truck, allocated by the administration department on base, was directed to the commissary, where the unsuspecting driver believed that he was transporting food. The weapon was placed at the head of the trailer, and covered up with either food stores (like cans of soup) or body bags. In the event that the truck is stopped en route, the weapon would be well hidden and go undetected by inspectors on the public highways.

A US Marine Corp bill of lading was the paperwork necessary to move the commercial refrigerated truck through weigh stations on public highways without any question. Santilli remembers that there was not one incident where he had to enact any security measures to ensure the delivery was made.

Santilli, who was assigned to ride in the cab of the truck with the driver, says that his orders were to make sure the truck arrived at its destination. He was informed by his superiors that if there were problems concerning potential civil unrest, he was to radio into his superiors for aid by either air or ground support.

Should the situation warrant serious attention; crowd control methods would be implemented.

One possible scenario was the use of cluster bomb units (CBUs) that will emit upon detonation, a “sleep and kill” chemical weapon that will not disturb infrastructure, but is lethal to all living things within the effected zone. Santilli describes these particular 3 unit CBUs as shaped like water-heaters with a coned top and plunger-like device. Once deployed in the air, a parachute assists these CBUs to the targeted area. And when detonated, a deadly chemical gas will kill every human and animal in the specified cordoned area.

This is just one example, says Santilli, as to the lengths the US armed forces are trained to make sure continuity of government is preserved.

Santilli explained that the use of foreign troops on US soil, as described in Rex 84 and other subsequent manuals, would have a two-fold purpose.
Firstly, to provide extra security in designated areas, cities or highways; and secondly, as scapegoats were violent action used against American citizens should the US military be directed to attack civilians.

The refrigerated truck, carrying the chemical or conventional weapon with Santilli riding shotgun travelled to underground bases like the one at Yuma Proving Ground which is a ammunitions testing range for pilots. Nestled underneath the ground is a secret military base.

Santilli explains that his knowledge of Rex 84 provides that within the document, one of the scenarios that would cause a complete suspension of the US Constitution, Bill of Rights and implement martial law would be a financial collapse. He says once the collapse occurs, the US government and defense agencies estimate they have a 72 hour window to activate all procedures to ensure continuity of government as well as a lockdown of the general population as civilian unrest, riots and outbreaks of violence are anticipated.

A source in the Deutsche Bank claims that in 2008 our financial and monetary system completely collapsed and since that time the banking cartels have been “propping up the system” to make it appear as if everything was fine. In reality our stock market and monetary systems are fake; meaning that there is nothing holding them in place except the illusion that they have stabilized since the Stock Market Crash nearly 5 years ago.

Since this time, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in conjunction with FEMA and other federal agencies have been quickly working to set in place their directives of control under a silent martial law.

The Deutsche Bank informant says that the cause for the bailout of the banks was a large sum of cash needed quickly to repay China who had purchased large quantities of mortgage-backed securities that went belly-up when the global scam was realized. When China realized that they had been duped into buying worthless securitized loans which would never be repaid, they demanded the actual property instead. The Chinese were prepared to send their “people” to American shores to seize property as allocated to them through the securitized loan contracts.

To stave this off, the American taxpayers were coerced by former President Bush and former US Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson. During that incident, the US Senate was told emphatically that they had to approve a $700 million bailout or else martial law would be implemented immediately. That money was funneled through the Federal Reserve Bank and wired to China, as well as other countries that were demanding repayment for the fraudulent securitizations.

To further avert financial catastrophe, as well as more debt or property seizure threats by the Chinese, the Euro was imploded there by plunging most of the European countries into an insurmountable free-fall for which they were never intended to recover.

All the money that those banks claimed they needed to avert collapse was also sent to the Chinese to add to the trillions of dollars lost during the burst of the housing bubble on the global market.

The only saving grace has been the US dollar being the global reserve currency. However, now this prop is showing signs of wear as foreign nations like China, Russia, India and Iran are dealing in gold as currency and purchasing gold on the market at an exponential rate.

In 1970, Henry Kissinger made a deal with the Saudi Arabian government that American debt would be purchased in exchange for cheap oil. Since then Iran has taken control over the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) by their use of gold as currency which has threatened the direct value of the US dollar as the global reserve currency.

This scenario with Iran coupled with the massive leaps forward in US military presence on American streets and the emergence of FEMA camps across the nation pose an obvious turn of events and explains exactly why we are witnessing the silent implementation of martial law.

The war with Iran has to do with gold, its use as currency and its exposure of the central banking cartel’s lack of gold which defines a fiat currency’s worth. And right now, the US dollar is absolutely worthless.

The Deutsche Bank informant says that the financial collapse that happened in 2008 will be realized here in America very soon. Once that happens, there must be full implementation of marital law to control the potential riots and control over citizens that will be desperate to feed their families.

The attacks of recent on the 2nd Amendment play a significant role in attempting “amicably” to remove the possibility of civilian retaliation against the US military’s presence throughout the nation. However, if they cannot remove the guns from our hands in time, they will continue on with the guidelines set out in Rex 84 with directives to kill any dissenters that refuse to obey." -http://www.infowars.com/government-silently-positions-for-martial-law-as-financial-collapse-arrives-in-america/

Following your post that you were merely stating "facts" I decided to go back and look at what "facts" you had mentioned. Especially since all I saw were opinions and conclusions.
Additionally, even though we provided you with evidence of how romney differs from obama, as you requested, you pretty much ignored everything that disproved your contentions.
Then I saw this post and understood.
Conspiracy theories can be interesting, but the flaw in most conspiracy theories is that they assume that "motivation" establishes "causation". They are not the same thing,
Anyway, after seeing the above post I realized debate was pointless.

 

[Foxmeister]

This conspiracy theory about FEMA camps was going around during the Bush administration. One website posted pictures of "camps" around the US. Many of those were on National Guard bases and they were nothing more than mock POW camps used for training. They were two listed on the conspiracy website stating they were recently built at Ft. McClellan, AL and Camp Grayling, MI. I had been an MP instructor for almost six years and had personally instructed MP's from the National Guard and Army Reserve at those two camps. They are nothing more than wire and towers. The Guard and Army Reserve have the only MP units designated to be POW camp units as they don't need those kind of units in the Active Army. This conspiracy theory is nothing more than a bunch of hooey.

 

[naturegirl]

This conspiracy theory about FEMA camps was going around during the Bush administration. One website posted pictures of "camps" around the US. Many of those were on National Guard bases and they were nothing more than mock POW camps used for training. They were two listed on the conspiracy website stating they were recently built at Ft. McClellan, AL and Camp Grayling, MI. I had been an MP instructor for almost six years and had personally instructed MP's from the National Guard and Army Reserve at those two camps. They are nothing more than wire and towers. The Guard and Army Reserve have the only MP units designated to be POW camp units as they don't need those kind of units in the Active Army. This conspiracy theory is nothing more than a bunch of hooey.

Good information Fox!! Thanks!! I will say I wouldn't have even known about these so called FEMA camps if LL didn't mention them. I learned something new!! ;D

 

[Foxmeister]

This conspiracy theory about FEMA camps was going around during the Bush administration. One website posted pictures of "camps" around the US. Many of those were on National Guard bases and they were nothing more than mock POW camps used for training. They were two listed on the conspiracy website stating they were recently built at Ft. McClellan, AL and Camp Grayling, MI. I had been an MP instructor for almost six years and had personally instructed MP's from the National Guard and Army Reserve at those two camps. They are nothing more than wire and towers. The Guard and Army Reserve have the only MP units designated to be POW camp units as they don't need those kind of units in the Active Army. This conspiracy theory is nothing more than a bunch of hooey.

Good information Fox!! Thanks!! I will say I wouldn't have even known about these so called FEMA camps if LL didn't mention them. I learned something new!! ;D

This crap about the camps started around the time the Patriot Act was started. First they believed there was a conspiracy that Bush was going to start putting people into them. It has now carried over into this administration. Most likely, if this election makes an administration change, the conspirators will say the same thing.

 

[lotstodo]

The fallacy of the undistributed middle.

 

[LibertarianLegend]

Are you willing to accept the risk an administration that believes "you didn't build that", as the price for a vote on principle?

I agree that Romney isn't the most conservative candidate, but he has my unwavering support so long as the only other viable option is Obama.

No, not at all, but I'm not going to accept that the Rich have more rights than the poor either. I'm not going to accept that Romney is for the Patriot Act and the NDAA...Do you even know what the NDAA and the Patriot Act is?

Um, yes, I know what they are and am aware that they have nothing to do with what I said.
Rather than cite to extensive "Acts" as proof that you know more than anyone else, perhaps you would do better to identify the specific issue you have with the extensive acts if you wish to show your superiority.
In any event, if you feel the need to change the frame of reference (again) feel free.

Yes sir, I can do that. NDAA: A bill that includes locking up innocent Americans with no charges. Manning, a whistleblower is an example of that.

Patriot Act: The act gives the right for unwarranted search and surveillance and also eliminating parts of checks and balances.

 

[Lawguy]

Are you willing to accept the risk an administration that believes "you didn't build that", as the price for a vote on principle?

I agree that Romney isn't the most conservative candidate, but he has my unwavering support so long as the only other viable option is Obama.

No, not at all, but I'm not going to accept that the Rich have more rights than the poor either. I'm not going to accept that Romney is for the Patriot Act and the NDAA...Do you even know what the NDAA and the Patriot Act is?

Um, yes, I know what they are and am aware that they have nothing to do with what I said.
Rather than cite to extensive "Acts" as proof that you know more than anyone else, perhaps you would do better to identify the specific issue you have with the extensive acts if you wish to show your superiority.
In any event, if you feel the need to change the frame of reference (again) feel free.

Yes sir, I can do that. NDAA: A bill that includes locking up innocent Americans with no charges. Manning, a whistleblower is an example of that.

Patriot Act: The act gives the right for unwarranted search and surveillance and also eliminating parts of checks and balances.

You really might want to read up on what Manning has been charged with.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/us/03manning.html
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[/size]Sorry, but neither act trumps the 4th or 5th Amendment. You are still speaking in conclusions, you really should try t
[/size]to expand your sources.
[/size]When you decide to disagree with me, I will ask you to identify a single case that says your 4th or 5th amendment rights
[/size]are inferior to the provisions of either act. You might also want to look at the 5th Amendment's exceptions
[/size]for those in military service like Manning.
[/size]If you are going to continue to pretend to be libertarian, you need to work on your knowledge of the
[/size]subjects you are discussing.
[/size]You might also want to tone down the consistently liberal talking points.

 

[mei lan]

It's because all I need, all I want is freedom and the financial and social bias gone. It's not going to happen with Obama, it's not going to happen with Romney either.

Yes, dearest, but if Obama is elected to another four year term, this country will be FINISHED, and there won't be any discussion of libertarian or any other viewpoints. At least Romney will be a drastic brake on the hurtling towards disaster that this country is doing. I posted this link about why libertarians should vote for Romney in another thread, but I'll post it here as well. Romney buys us time; Obama guarantees our destruction.

http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2012/10/01/the-libertarian-case-for-mitt-romney/?singlepage=true

PS - You actually called Manning a whistleblower? You're not helping your street cred much here.