I\'m voting for Romney/Ryan

Obama that wants the government to run eveything or Romney that at least understands government is not the answer. There is a HUGE difference LL, sorry you can't see it. Open your eyes and work hard for that third party in 2016.
 
dapandlap said:
LibertarianLegend said:
I actually discovered this site not too long ago actually, I didn't actually start posting until a few days ago when I got the signs and bumper stickers. It actually is the other way around, if you vote for Obama, you're voting for a black little less income Romney, and if you vote Romney, you vote for a much richer Obama. How is this you might ask? THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME PLATFORM!
At this point in the game "so to speak" there are only TWO potential winners, Gov. Johnson is not one of the two.
That being said if you vote for Johnson you ARE voting for 0bummer.
Do you want four more years of the liberal left socialists leading our country?

I'm not a puppet for the establishment at all, and I'm definitely not a Pro-Corporation fascism type puppet either. Either way, you're voting for A. Socialism or B. Potential Corporate Fascism, and I think I'd rather vote choice C. Freedom and Prosperity! Besides the debates haven't even started yet! So "At this point in the game" we're still pretty far from over, but we're getting closer faster day by day.

I can't see the difference? What!? Tell me how I can't see the difference? Romney is a cosigner of Obamacare, he came up with part of it...Why don't you tell me what the difference is? I'm curious. Let's hear it!
 
LibertarianLegend said:
dapandlap said:
LibertarianLegend said:
I actually discovered this site not too long ago actually, I didn't actually start posting until a few days ago when I got the signs and bumper stickers. It actually is the other way around, if you vote for Obama, you're voting for a black little less income Romney, and if you vote Romney, you vote for a much richer Obama. How is this you might ask? THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME PLATFORM!
At this point in the game "so to speak" there are only TWO potential winners, Gov. Johnson is not one of the two.
That being said if you vote for Johnson you ARE voting for 0bummer.
Do you want four more years of the liberal left socialists leading our country?

I'm not a puppet for the establishment at all, and I'm definitely not a Pro-Corporation fascism type puppet either. Either way, you're voting for A. Socialism or B. Potential Corporate Fascism, and I think I'd rather vote choice C. Freedom and Prosperity! Besides the debates haven't even started yet! So "At this point in the game" we're still pretty far from over, but we're getting closer faster day by day.

I can't see the difference? What!? Tell me how I can't see the difference? Romney is a cosigner of Obamacare, he came up with part of it...Why don't you tell me what the difference is? I'm curious. Let's hear it!

Yep, you are an Obamabot. You just proved it.
 
naturegirl said:
LibertarianLegend said:
dapandlap said:
LibertarianLegend said:
I actually discovered this site not too long ago actually, I didn't actually start posting until a few days ago when I got the signs and bumper stickers. It actually is the other way around, if you vote for Obama, you're voting for a black little less income Romney, and if you vote Romney, you vote for a much richer Obama. How is this you might ask? THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME PLATFORM!
At this point in the game "so to speak" there are only TWO potential winners, Gov. Johnson is not one of the two.
That being said if you vote for Johnson you ARE voting for 0bummer.
Do you want four more years of the liberal left socialists leading our country?

I'm not a puppet for the establishment at all, and I'm definitely not a Pro-Corporation fascism type puppet either. Either way, you're voting for A. Socialism or B. Potential Corporate Fascism, and I think I'd rather vote choice C. Freedom and Prosperity! Besides the debates haven't even started yet! So "At this point in the game" we're still pretty far from over, but we're getting closer faster day by day.

I can't see the difference? What!? Tell me how I can't see the difference? Romney is a cosigner of Obamacare, he came up with part of it...Why don't you tell me what the difference is? I'm curious. Let's hear it!

Yep, you are an Obamabot. You just proved it.

I give you one chance to prove yourself, the average voter on what the difference is, and so far, you're failing miserably!
Ok, let's try again! Prove to me the difference between Obama and Romney! Quit trying to run away to get around it! For the second time, let's hear it! I want to hear your answer!
 
LibertarianLegend said:
I actually discovered this site not too long ago actually, I didn't actually start posting until a few days ago when I got the signs and bumper stickers. It actually is the other way around, if you vote for Obama, you're voting for a black little less income Romney, and if you vote Romney, you vote for a much richer Obama. How is this you might ask? THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME PLATFORM!

I completely disagree.
 
Madea said:
LibertarianLegend said:
I actually discovered this site not too long ago actually, I didn't actually start posting until a few days ago when I got the signs and bumper stickers. It actually is the other way around, if you vote for Obama, you're voting for a black little less income Romney, and if you vote Romney, you vote for a much richer Obama. How is this you might ask? THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME PLATFORM!

I completely disagree.

As far as I know he has the same platform economically and socially. I fail to see the difference. Ok Madea, go ahead, give me one paragraph of how Romney is different from Obama. Naturegirl, same for you! :)
 
LibertarianLegend said:
naturegirl said:
LibertarianLegend said:
dapandlap said:
LibertarianLegend said:
I actually discovered this site not too long ago actually, I didn't actually start posting until a few days ago when I got the signs and bumper stickers. It actually is the other way around, if you vote for Obama, you're voting for a black little less income Romney, and if you vote Romney, you vote for a much richer Obama. How is this you might ask? THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME PLATFORM!
At this point in the game "so to speak" there are only TWO potential winners, Gov. Johnson is not one of the two.
That being said if you vote for Johnson you ARE voting for 0bummer.
Do you want four more years of the liberal left socialists leading our country?

I'm not a puppet for the establishment at all, and I'm definitely not a Pro-Corporation fascism type puppet either. Either way, you're voting for A. Socialism or B. Potential Corporate Fascism, and I think I'd rather vote choice C. Freedom and Prosperity! Besides the debates haven't even started yet! So "At this point in the game" we're still pretty far from over, but we're getting closer faster day by day.

I can't see the difference? What!? Tell me how I can't see the difference? Romney is a cosigner of Obamacare, he came up with part of it...Why don't you tell me what the difference is? I'm curious. Let's hear it!

Yep, you are an Obamabot. You just proved it.

I give you one chance to prove yourself, the average voter on what the difference is, and so far, you're failing miserably!
Ok, let's try again! Prove to me the difference between Obama and Romney! Quit trying to run away to get around it! For the second time, let's hear it! I want to hear your answer!




Obama believes we should not develop domestic energy supplies and Romney believes we should.
You asked for a difference, I have given you one.
BO believes that the solution to current problems is more of the same (stimulus and increased taxes, Romney does not.
Obama believes defense spending is a source of funds for his spending programs, Romney believes we need a strong defense.
 
LibertarianLegend said:
Madea said:
LibertarianLegend said:
I actually discovered this site not too long ago actually, I didn't actually start posting until a few days ago when I got the signs and bumper stickers. It actually is the other way around, if you vote for Obama, you're voting for a black little less income Romney, and if you vote Romney, you vote for a much richer Obama. How is this you might ask? THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME PLATFORM!

I completely disagree.

As far as I know he has the same platform economically and socially. I fail to see the difference. Ok Madea, go ahead, give me one paragraph of how Romney is different from Obama. Naturegirl, same for you! :)

Romney has a proven background, Obama has none, even after 4 years in the Oval Office. Romney's life and background is an open book, Obama's is looked up tighter than Fort Knox. Obama's friends are known Communists, Romney's are not.

Obamacare and the MA health care plan are vastly different. #1, one is a State-enacted plan (which they have the right to do, #2, the other has been defined as a "tax", otherwise it'd be illegal.

Romney is pro-life, Obama is not. Romney supports traditional marriage, Obama does not. (personally, I find these social issues irrelevant in this race)

Although if you really want marijuana legalized, I'd assume Obama would be your better choice.
 
Madea said:
LibertarianLegend said:
Madea said:
LibertarianLegend said:
I actually discovered this site not too long ago actually, I didn't actually start posting until a few days ago when I got the signs and bumper stickers. It actually is the other way around, if you vote for Obama, you're voting for a black little less income Romney, and if you vote Romney, you vote for a much richer Obama. How is this you might ask? THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME PLATFORM!

I completely disagree.

As far as I know he has the same platform economically and socially. I fail to see the difference. Ok Madea, go ahead, give me one paragraph of how Romney is different from Obama. Naturegirl, same for you! :)

Romney has a proven background, Obama has none, even after 4 years in the Oval Office. Romney's life and background is an open book, Obama's is looked up tighter than Fort Knox. Obama's friends are known Communists, Romney's are not.

Obamacare and the MA health care plan are vastly different. #1, one is a State-enacted plan (which they have the right to do, #2, the other has been defined as a "tax", otherwise it'd be illegal.

Romney is pro-life, Obama is not. Romney supports traditional marriage, Obama does not. (personally, I find these social issues irrelevant in this race)

Although if you really want marijuana legalized, I'd assume Obama would be your better choice.
Lawguy said:
LibertarianLegend said:
naturegirl said:
LibertarianLegend said:
dapandlap said:
LibertarianLegend said:
I actually discovered this site not too long ago actually, I didn't actually start posting until a few days ago when I got the signs and bumper stickers. It actually is the other way around, if you vote for Obama, you're voting for a black little less income Romney, and if you vote Romney, you vote for a much richer Obama. How is this you might ask? THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME PLATFORM!
At this point in the game "so to speak" there are only TWO potential winners, Gov. Johnson is not one of the two.
That being said if you vote for Johnson you ARE voting for 0bummer.
Do you want four more years of the liberal left socialists leading our country?

I'm not a puppet for the establishment at all, and I'm definitely not a Pro-Corporation fascism type puppet either. Either way, you're voting for A. Socialism or B. Potential Corporate Fascism, and I think I'd rather vote choice C. Freedom and Prosperity! Besides the debates haven't even started yet! So "At this point in the game" we're still pretty far from over, but we're getting closer faster day by day.

I can't see the difference? What!? Tell me how I can't see the difference? Romney is a cosigner of Obamacare, he came up with part of it...Why don't you tell me what the difference is? I'm curious. Let's hear it!

Yep, you are an Obamabot. You just proved it.

I give you one chance to prove yourself, the average voter on what the difference is, and so far, you're failing miserably!
Ok, let's try again! Prove to me the difference between Obama and Romney! Quit trying to run away to get around it! For the second time, let's hear it! I want to hear your answer!




Obama believes we should not develop domestic energy supplies and Romney believes we should.
You asked for a difference, I have given you one.
BO believes that the solution to current problems is more of the same (stimulus and increased taxes, Romney does not.
Obama believes defense spending is a source of funds for his spending programs, Romney believes we need a strong defense.

Stimulus and increased taxes, Romney does not...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/24/even-mitt-romney-admits-hell-need-to-raise-taxes-on-the-middle-class/
“I want to keep the current progressivity in the code. There should be no tax reduction for high income people.” -Mitt Romney

"GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Is $100,000 middle income?

MITT ROMNEY: No, middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less."

Here's some evidence of a debate:
Q: What is the highest federal income tax any American should have to pay? We are looking for a number.

PERRY: Seven percent flat tax. Simple. Keep it simple.

SANTORUM: Well, my plan has two rates, 10 and 28 percent, which is the highest rate under Ronald Reagan when he cut taxes.

ROMNEY: I would like 25 percent, but right now it's at 35, so people better pay what is legally required. But ultimately let's get it down to as low as we possibly can, if it's 20, if it's 25 but paying more than 25 percent, I think, is taking too much out of our pockets.

GINGRICH: I would like to see it be a flat tax at 15 percent and I would like to see us reduce government to meet the revenue, not raise revenue to meet the government.

PAUL: Well, we should have the lowest tax that we've ever had, and up until 1913 it was 0%. What's so bad about that?
Source: Fox News debate on MLK Day in Myrtle Beach, SC , Jan 16, 2012

What does the debate evidence mean? Well, it means that Romney is the greediest amongst the other candidates. If it weren't for the GOP making every attempt they could to block him as best as they could, Ron Paul would probably be the GOP candidate going into this November.

Here's some more if you want to look at it:
http://www.issues2000.org/2012/Mitt_Romney_Tax_Reform.htm

Romney's friends are mostly from corporations who are greedy and always doing everything they can to get more money and have more power than small businesses. I'm pro-life too, but people should have the choice of abortion or not. It's a part of freedom. I believe we should have traditional marriage as well, but why ban the people who believe otherwise. This is supposed to be a free country that is supposed to be A. separation of church and state, B. Freedom of opinion, C. Freedom of Speech.
 
Sorry, the fact that Romney believes taxes may need to be increased isn't quite the same as what is going to happen in 1/1/13 coupled with the obamacare taxes.
Obama routinely refers to increasing taxes out of "fairness", not need. "Fairness" implies redistribution. Romney, though not a perfect candidate, has no interest in "spreading the wealth" or to create "fairness".


Your failure to comment on a "stimulus", energy policy and increased spending indicates that you have implicitly acknowledged that those are differences between obama and romney which is all that you asked for.


On the issue of abortion, it isn't a question of "freedom" unless you can establish with certainty that the fetus is aborted prior to it becoming sentient. (aware). Since we cannot establish when sentience begins, we are unable to resolve the question of whether another life is involved. Our "Freedom" does not give us the right to harm others.


Ron Paul's 0% tax rate isn't possible. It is no longer 1913, so we cannot pretend that what worked then can work now. The world has changed.
 
Lawguy said:
Sorry, the fact that Romney believes taxes may need to be increased isn't quite the same as what is going to happen in 1/1/13 coupled with the obamacare taxes.
Obama routinely refers to increasing taxes out of "fairness", not need. "Fairness" implies redistribution. Romney, though not a perfect candidate, has no interest in "spreading the wealth" or to create "fairness".


Your failure to comment on a "stimulus", energy policy and increased spending indicates that you have implicitly acknowledged that those are differences between obama and romney which is all that you asked for.


On the issue of abortion, it isn't a question of "freedom" unless you can establish with certainty that the fetus is aborted prior to it becoming sentient. (aware). Since we cannot establish when sentience begins, we are unable to resolve the question of whether another life is involved. Our "Freedom" does not give us the right to harm others.


Ron Paul's 0% tax rate isn't possible. It is no longer 1913, so we cannot pretend that what worked then can work now. The world has changed.

:CLAP :CLAP :CLAP

Well said!!
 
Thank you NG.


Another difference between Obama and Romney is that Obama has been endorsed by our enemies. Specifically, Putin.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443589304577635113013597198.html
 
Something to think about...

If Johnson truly believed in Libertarian concepts and had the best interest of this country at heart; he would not be running a campaign that could help to re-elect Obama.

Instead, he would call a press conference to thank his supporters for their loyalty, and then advise them that there is no statistical way he can win and ask them to throw their support behind Romney.
 
LL, ask yourself this, does Johnson have a chance to win?? If not who is more likely to accept more Libertarian ideas, Romney or Obama??
 
Another key difference between Obama and Romney is their ideas in what will actually improve the economy. Obama believes the government should regulate businesses even more. Romney recognizes many of the regulations concerning businesses the Obama administration has enacted has actually stifled economic growth because those regulations are costly to business and the consumer. Ask GD about the EPA's new regulations on freon that took effect this year. It not only raised the cost of doing business from HVAC business community, but more than doubled the costs to consumers.

The Obama administration would like the government to have the power to regulate all wages in this country. Romney recognizes the danger of such government intrusion into private industry.

One key difference between Romney and Obama is Romney wants less government in business and our personal lives while Obama wants more.

You claim you want to see liberty and freedom maintained in this country. I claim you don't as you are pushing to elect a man who hasn't a chance of winning, which will keep the liberty hating person we have in the WH there.
 
Are you willing to accept the risk an administration that believes "you didn't build that", as the price for a vote on principle?

I agree that Romney isn't the most conservative candidate, but he has my unwavering support so long as the only other viable option is Obama.
 
Guys, yall are wasting your breath...or typing. Obamabots cannot be swayed to change their position.



Dang, did I type that?
 
Guard Dad said:
Something to think about...

If Johnson truly believed in Libertarian concepts and had the best interest of this country at heart; he would not be running a campaign that could help to re-elect Obama.

Instead, he would call a press conference to thank his supporters for their loyalty, and then advise them that there is no statistical way he can win and ask them to throw their support behind Romney.
I think you are 100% correct.

What other choices might he make for our country that were as bone head as continuing to run? :waggingfinger

Ego much? ::)

Winchester said:
Guys, yall are wasting your breath...or typing. Obamabots cannot be swayed to change their position.



Dang, did I type that?
:thumbsup
 
Lawguy said:
Are you willing to accept the risk an administration that believes "you didn't build that", as the price for a vote on principle?

I agree that Romney isn't the most conservative candidate, but he has my unwavering support so long as the only other viable option is Obama.

No, not at all, but I'm not going to accept that the Rich have more rights than the poor either. I'm not going to accept that Romney is for the Patriot Act and the NDAA...Do you even know what the NDAA and the Patriot Act is?
 
Winchester said:
Guys, yall are wasting your breath...or typing. Obamabots cannot be swayed to change their position.



Dang, did I type that?

If I was supporting Obama, my name on here would be Democratic Devil...I stand behind Libertarian principles for a reason. It's because all I need, all I want is freedom and the financial and social bias gone. It's not going to happen with Obama, it's not going to happen with Romney either.
 
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