HOPE Scholarship Woes Continue to Grow

[Foxmeister]

How many kids are told they need to go to college to be successful in life, but have no interest in going to college? This is where we are failing in our public school system. We aren't offering good alternatives in our public schools. We're sending a lot of students off to college who are not equipped to be there and many don't want to be there. As long as we keep telling every high school student they need to go to college to be successful, we'll just be compounding the problems in our public schools.

Essentially we're telling them they are failures if they don't go to college.

 

[Madea]

I late, but I do agree that not every child should be on a college track. Heck, I was an honor roll student in HS and didn't finish college. My parents simply couldn't afford it. The college drop out rate in Georgia is bad, but I don't remember the numbers. And, I'm mush from working on taxes tonight. )

I encourage my children to go to college, but I am not 100% convinced that my son will be able to go that route.

And, I do 100% agree there should be an income cap on the Hope.

My cousin was educated through military service and has done very well. And, it should be presented to kids who want to go to school but can't afford it or don't want to have the debt. It's a viable option, but not for every one.

I also think Hope should consider several factors, including the SAT and GPA.

And don't even get me started on the pre-k program, I think it's a farce and a waste of the dollars. I researched before my son entered pre-k. We choose a private pre-k over the Hope program, which didn't appear to be much more than daycare. The daycare centers are taking Hope money and then charging a ridiculous amount as "food charges". For about the same price as a local daycare's food charge, I paid for private pre-k. And, quite frankly the differences in the kids who went to pre-k and those who didn't vanish very quickly!

 

[ShoeDiva]

I late, but I do agree that not every child should be on a college track. Heck, I was an honor roll student in HS and didn't finish college. My parents simply couldn't afford it. The college drop out rate in Georgia is bad, but I don't remember the numbers. And, I'm mush from working on taxes tonight. )

I encourage my children to go to college, but I am not 100% convinced that my son will be able to go that route.

And, I do 100% agree there should be an income cap on the Hope.

My cousin was educated through military service and has done very well. And, it should be presented to kids who want to go to school but can't afford it or don't want to have the debt. It's a viable option, but not for every one.

I also think Hope should consider several factors, including the SAT and GPA.

And don't even get me started on the pre-k program, I think it's a farce and a waste of the dollars. I researched before my son entered pre-k. We choose a private pre-k over the Hope program, which didn't appear to be much more than daycare. The daycare centers are taking Hope money and then charging a ridiculous amount as "food charges". For about the same price as a local daycare's food charge, I paid for private pre-k. And, quite frankly the differences in the kids who went to pre-k and those who didn't vanish very quickly!

That, to me, is a big problem. (LOL, it was mentioned pages ago, or maybe that was another thread!) Why are we wasting the money on pre-K? :huh (That parents and teachers alike see issues.)
I also agree with much you have wrote in your post and actually this is the first year that only a college prep diploma was available. This group of kids were all put on a college track, which yes some of them do not belong there, but that was the lovely doings of Cox.
The schools still do offer all of the tech classes, but because of Cox this group still had to have all the diploma requirements. I believe that has been or is changing to where you can choose another track and have a choice of diploma.

 

[unionmom]

Pre-K isn't allowed to charge for food anymore.

 

[ShoeDiva]

How many kids are told they need to go to college to be successful in life, but have no interest in going to college? This is where we are failing in our public school system. We aren't offering good alternatives in our public schools. We're sending a lot of students off to college who are not equipped to be there and many don't want to be there. As long as we keep telling every high school student they need to go to college to be successful, we'll just be compounding the problems in our public schools.

Essentially we're telling them they are failures if they don't go to college.

Nope. Not at all. That is not happening "in the schools." (at a high school level) Have you ever attended an actual career guidance meeting? They have them one and one and big group settings. They ARE NOT saying what you wrote.
There are alternatives and until this specific group of kids graduating this year there were choices in diplomas. This college track is in the works to be changed again.
Many did go to college because the Hope was there. The only reason. Is that right, no, but the did have other options, they choose that one. (Many did use it for tech schools also)

 

[ShoeDiva]

Pre-K isn't allowed to charge for food anymore.

That is awesome! I had heard, as Madea stated, how expensive it was now!

 

[unionmom]

Pre-K isn't allowed to charge for food anymore.

That is awesome! I had heard, as Madea stated, how expensive it was now!

My youngest was in the Pre-K program last year and it was 100% free.

Also, though it absolutely should NOT be the case, not all Pre-Ks are equal. I believe they are trying to fix a lot of that. There is quite a bit of paperwork to be done by the teachers now. Certainly doesn't keep some of the Pre-Ks from fudging it.

 

[Madea]

Pre-K isn't allowed to charge for food anymore.

And why is that? We pay for lunches for school kids. While I thought the amount was ridiculous, I wasn't advocating free either.

 

[unionmom]

No clue why. We paid for lunch and snacks when my son went years ago but were told they could not charge for meals when my daughter went last year.

(It is entirely possible that the pre-k we went to was involved in a meals program as well as the pre-k program so I should back off of my direct assertion from before.)

 

[newsjunky]

I late, but I do agree that not every child should be on a college track. Heck, I was an honor roll student in HS and didn't finish college. My parents simply couldn't afford it. The college drop out rate in Georgia is bad, but I don't remember the numbers. And, I'm mush from working on taxes tonight. )

I encourage my children to go to college, but I am not 100% convinced that my son will be able to go that route.

And, I do 100% agree there should be an income cap on the Hope.

My cousin was educated through military service and has done very well. And, it should be presented to kids who want to go to school but can't afford it or don't want to have the debt. It's a viable option, but not for every one.

I also think Hope should consider several factors, including the SAT and GPA.

And don't even get me started on the pre-k program, I think it's a farce and a waste of the dollars. I researched before my son entered pre-k. We choose a private pre-k over the Hope program, which didn't appear to be much more than daycare. The daycare centers are taking Hope money and then charging a ridiculous amount as "food charges". For about the same price as a local daycare's food charge, I paid for private pre-k. And, quite frankly the differences in the kids who went to pre-k and those who didn't vanish very quickly!

I agree with all of this !! Especially about pre-K. Pre-K and Hope are funded from the same pot and most of the cuts last year were put back into Pre-K. It is a popular vote getter in my opinion and I think more of the funds will go into it and the Hope will continue to be cut.

 

[Foxmeister]

I'm not convinced pre-K works. From everything I've heard about it, working parents want it because it's more a daycare service than anything. I think it's more beneficial to use the lottery money to give deserving students a needed helping hand with college costs. By deserving, I mean those who stand the better chance of graduating.

 

[newsjunky]

I'm not convinced pre-K works. From everything I've heard about it, working parents want it because it's more a daycare service than anything. I think it's more beneficial to use the lottery money to give deserving students a needed helping hand with college costs. By deserving, I mean those who stand the better chance of graduating.

I do to Fox. Pre-K has no lasting result according to the studies the government did on it.

 

[Foxmeister]

I'm not convinced pre-K works. From everything I've heard about it, working parents want it because it's more a daycare service than anything. I think it's more beneficial to use the lottery money to give deserving students a needed helping hand with college costs. By deserving, I mean those who stand the better chance of graduating.

I do to Fox. Pre-K has no lasting result according to the studies the government did on it.

Here's why HOPE and pre-k is such a vote getter; people now feel they are entitled to those programs. I've seen both conservatives and liberal voters act as if they are entitled to these programs and to them, the government better not abolish them.

Personally, I think all the lottery money would be better used to establish a successful curriculum for those who are college bound and one for those who have no interest in college. The money could buy new text books and be used to develop better vocational classes in our public schools. Those who really want to go to college do have resources they can use besides HOPE as well as work their way through college. We really need to concentrate on improving our public school system.

 

[Madea]

I'm not convinced pre-K works. From everything I've heard about it, working parents want it because it's more a daycare service than anything. I think it's more beneficial to use the lottery money to give deserving students a needed helping hand with college costs. By deserving, I mean those who stand the better chance of graduating.

I do to Fox. Pre-K has no lasting result according to the studies the government did on it.

Here's why HOPE and pre-k is such a vote getter; people now feel they are entitled to those programs. I've seen both conservatives and liberal voters act as if they are entitled to these programs and to them, the government better not abolish them.

Personally, I think all the lottery money would be better used to establish a successful curriculum for those who are college bound and one for those who have no interest in college. The money could buy new text books and be used to develop better vocational classes in our public schools. Those who really want to go to college do have resources they can use besides HOPE as well as work their way through college. We really need to concentrate on improving our public school system.

That'd be a mess. You'd have to re-write the whole charter. Except you'd have a bunch of politicans in charge of it.

 

[Foxmeister]

I'm not convinced pre-K works. From everything I've heard about it, working parents want it because it's more a daycare service than anything. I think it's more beneficial to use the lottery money to give deserving students a needed helping hand with college costs. By deserving, I mean those who stand the better chance of graduating.

I do to Fox. Pre-K has no lasting result according to the studies the government did on it.

Here's why HOPE and pre-k is such a vote getter; people now feel they are entitled to those programs. I've seen both conservatives and liberal voters act as if they are entitled to these programs and to them, the government better not abolish them.

Personally, I think all the lottery money would be better used to establish a successful curriculum for those who are college bound and one for those who have no interest in college. The money could buy new text books and be used to develop better vocational classes in our public schools. Those who really want to go to college do have resources they can use besides HOPE as well as work their way through college. We really need to concentrate on improving our public school system.

That'd be a mess. You'd have to re-write the whole charter. Except you'd have a bunch of politicans in charge of it.

Politicians usually have a way of screwing things up. Another reason why I'm in favor of term limits.

 

[Madea]

Exactly! And I would LOVE to see terms limits. But that a whole nuther subject! )