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ShoeDiva said:
LisaC said:
ShoeDiva said:
stradial said:
Grey Colson said:
I shall end my portion of this...whatever it is with....Bless your heart, Brother and put all your $25.00 on red ;)
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One last post, at least for a while.

Try reading all my posts on this topic from the beginning.
You expect us to take your word about things, but you refuse to reciprocate and take our word about things.
I believe that is called a dbl standard.
You want to point out something, point out where you have ever said anything along these lines, "I was wrong", "I could be wrong", "I may be wrong", "While I disagree, I understand you point.".
As far as your "Bless your heart" and me being your "brother", you can take your smart ass "bless your heart" and stick it up your ass, and I an't your brother, in anyway, certainly not in Christ, because if you are what a Christian is, then where do I sign up to be an atheist?

And if anyone wants to complain about me and my posts or this post, don't sweat it.
The GREAT ALL POWERFUL ALL KNOWING Gray Colson has done what people on the other site can't and sent another away.
I may be back, but it will be a while.
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I forbid you to leave! :tapfoot2
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Amen - Boy, PRIDE weekend is this weekend in the ATL, DO NOT make me gather the sisterhood and come over there and drag you back here... :tapfoot2 :tapfoot2 :tapfoot2 :tapfoot2



By the way, I took the time to read this thread from the beginning. For anyone who wants to jump on Stradial for his opinions, he is right - you should take the time to read all of his comments. You don't have to agree with him, but there is no reason to treat him with disrespect. (After all, you responding to Stradial - not me or Diva). :poke2
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:)) Can you imagine his face if that happens?
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I've already lined up the leader of the parade... :cheer1 :cheer1


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LisaC said:
ShoeDiva said:
LisaC said:
ShoeDiva said:
stradial said:
Grey Colson said:
I shall end my portion of this...whatever it is with....Bless your heart, Brother and put all your $25.00 on red ;)
Click to expand...

One last post, at least for a while.

Try reading all my posts on this topic from the beginning.
You expect us to take your word about things, but you refuse to reciprocate and take our word about things.
I believe that is called a dbl standard.
You want to point out something, point out where you have ever said anything along these lines, "I was wrong", "I could be wrong", "I may be wrong", "While I disagree, I understand you point.".
As far as your "Bless your heart" and me being your "brother", you can take your smart ass "bless your heart" and stick it up your ass, and I an't your brother, in anyway, certainly not in Christ, because if you are what a Christian is, then where do I sign up to be an atheist?

And if anyone wants to complain about me and my posts or this post, don't sweat it.
The GREAT ALL POWERFUL ALL KNOWING Gray Colson has done what people on the other site can't and sent another away.
I may be back, but it will be a while.
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I forbid you to leave! :tapfoot2
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Amen - Boy, PRIDE weekend is this weekend in the ATL, DO NOT make me gather the sisterhood and come over there and drag you back here... :tapfoot2 :tapfoot2 :tapfoot2 :tapfoot2



By the way, I took the time to read this thread from the beginning. For anyone who wants to jump on Stradial for his opinions, he is right - you should take the time to read all of his comments. You don't have to agree with him, but there is no reason to treat him with disrespect. (After all, you responding to Stradial - not me or Diva). :poke2
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:)) Can you imagine his face if that happens?
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I've already lined up the leader of the parade... :cheer1 :cheer1
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Looks like GD lost a little weight.
 
mei lan said:
Grey Colson said:
stradial said:
Grey Colson said:
I shall end my portion of this...whatever it is with....Bless your heart, Brother and put all your $25.00 on red ;)
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One last post, at least for a while.

Try reading all my posts on this topic from the beginning.
You expect us to take your word about things, but you refuse to reciprocate and take our word about things.
I believe that is called a dbl standard.
You want to point out something, point out where you have ever said anything along these lines, "I was wrong", "I could be wrong", "I may be wrong", "While I disagree, I understand you point.".
As far as your "Bless your heart" and me being your "brother", you can take your smart ass "bless your heart" and stick it up your ass, and I an't your brother, in anyway, certainly not in Christ, because if you are what a Christian is, then where do I sign up to be an atheist?

And if anyone wants to complain about me and my posts or this post, don't sweat it.
The GREAT ALL POWERFUL ALL KNOWING Gray Colson has done what people on the other site can't and sent another away.
I may be back, but it will be a while.
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Wow. No one is trying to make you leave, no matter what you think of me personally. I suppose I should not have had an opinion on the issue
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I didn't see your opinion on the issue at hand (the constitutionality of the practice of LE seizing of cash during a traffic stop sans arrest). Did I miss it?
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Well, obviously I believe LE should be able to seize people's money illegally and without cause. I do it to this day and it's much easier with middle schoolers. :Ninja
 
Let me see if I can make sense of all of this. I know there was a video where a TN LEO pulled a guy over from NJ who was traveling through TN on his way to purchase a car. He had I believe $10K with him in a bag to purchase the car with. The police officer made an inquiry and discovered some 20 years or more ago the guy had once been charged with something to do with drugs, but there was no conviction. Because of this the LEO didn't believe the money was to purchase a car, but instead it was going to be used for drugs and confiscated the money under forfeiture laws.

There are some departments out there; especially smaller ones who where the chief will encourage the officers to seize the money in the above situation as a good chunk of it will become theirs and is supposed to be used in drug enforcement. There are other departments where LEOs are directed to only seize the money if illegal drugs are seized along with it. The latter is how I think it should be done.

Personally, if I were traveling to another state or another part of the state to purchase something that was going to cost a lot of money; I wouldn't be carrying it all in cash. It would be my luck I get carjacked and all my money is gone with the car or I run into a cop like the one in TN. What I would do instead is ask the person selling the item if a certified bank check made out to him or her would suffice and I would have the check in my wallet. If I were pulled over for speeding and a police officer asked me how much cash I had on me, I wouldn't tell him about the check because it's not cash. If he asked if he could search my car, I would simply say, "No." I've never had a LEO ask me if I would consent to a search. When I was a LEO, there were people I would ask based upon prior experiences and how they occupants of the vehicle were acting. If I was told "no" I didn't search.
 
Grey Colson said:
mei lan said:
Grey Colson said:
stradial said:
Grey Colson said:
I shall end my portion of this...whatever it is with....Bless your heart, Brother and put all your $25.00 on red ;)
Click to expand...

One last post, at least for a while.

Try reading all my posts on this topic from the beginning.
You expect us to take your word about things, but you refuse to reciprocate and take our word about things.
I believe that is called a dbl standard.
You want to point out something, point out where you have ever said anything along these lines, "I was wrong", "I could be wrong", "I may be wrong", "While I disagree, I understand you point.".
As far as your "Bless your heart" and me being your "brother", you can take your smart ass "bless your heart" and stick it up your ass, and I an't your brother, in anyway, certainly not in Christ, because if you are what a Christian is, then where do I sign up to be an atheist?

And if anyone wants to complain about me and my posts or this post, don't sweat it.
The GREAT ALL POWERFUL ALL KNOWING Gray Colson has done what people on the other site can't and sent another away.
I may be back, but it will be a while.
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Wow. No one is trying to make you leave, no matter what you think of me personally. I suppose I should not have had an opinion on the issue
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I didn't see your opinion on the issue at hand (the constitutionality of the practice of LE seizing of cash during a traffic stop sans arrest). Did I miss it?
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Well, obviously I believe LE should be able to seize people's money illegally and without cause. I do it to this day and it's much easier with middle schoolers. :Ninja
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Well, that was certainly helpful. I give up.
 
The fact that the department, that's doing the seizing, gets to keep 90% is what causes the corruption. Especially where that money can be used for salaries, and not just equipment. I can see that it does open the door, easily, to abuse, and understand the concern.

(There, I finally read up on it. ;D )
 
deewee said:
The fact that the department, that's doing the seizing, gets to keep 90% is what causes the corruption. Especially where that money can be used for salaries, and not just equipment. I can see that it does open the door, easily, to abuse, and understand the concern.

(There, I finally read up on it. ;D )
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:)) :thumbsup
 
Grey Colson said:
Thankfully I am a professional poster 8) Nothing to see here folks....move along :race
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I fixed it for you. You're welcome.
 
Let me chime in with my 2 cents now. First of all, when I originally saw this thread I wanted to respond but based on some previous threads regarding LE I decided to let this one slide by. I'm not in LE and never have been so I'm no expert therefore my opinion really doesn't matter. But I will say this.....I am a law abiding tax paying citizen and it's absolutely ridiculous that we, as citizens, have these discussions...and on a regular basis. Whether it's for forfeiture of assets, injuring a 19 month old baby during a no-knock raid, shooting AND KILLING unarmed suspects who were NOT a deadly threat to the officer(s) or anyone else (including themselves), scaring the be-gezus out of a retired guy growing okra, and smashing in the passenger side window of a car then tasing the guy for not getting out of a vehicle, it's either getting out of hand or we're just hearing more about it. Those were examples just off the top of my head which happened fairly recently. Listen, I love LE as much as the next person but how about let's focus on constitutional rights and the presumption of innocence FIRST. LE is getting a bad rap now because people are tired of the misuse and abuse of power. We all want the criminals off the street, we just don't want innocent victims harmed in the process. Being critical of LE doesn't label one as being anti-LE, it just means we want (and expect) accountability when force is used.

As far as people getting their feeling hurt here on the Hwy, we all have our hot topic issues. What is not hot for one is for another. We all need to mindful of that and be aware of when to respectfully back down. Even when we are (or think we are) right.
 
We are talking about a case in another state? Where the laws are usually different? Heck, most cops in GA do not fully know GA law, how would you expect them to know anything about another state?

Plus, cops do not go to law school for 4 to 6 years. They are lucky to get 4 to 6 HOURS of legal training....once every other year at best. I was handed a 400 page book that listed all the legal statues and was told to read it and that was as far as my legal training went.

Asset forfeiture is a CIVIL process....that requires a law degree to understand (if then). Your street cops are given a "procedure" to follow and then it all goes to the DA's office to be sorted out. At that point it's out of the cop's hands. The street cops did not write the law and most have never read the law, nor have a need to. They are they ONLY to process the "procedure" as they were told to do by their supervision, who were most likely told by a bunch of attorneys. The street cops is not an attorney nor a judge, they do not get to decide someone's fate or interpret the law.....they are only following procedure.

If the procedure is wrong, then you need to talk to who wrote the procedure. If the law is wrong (or you feel it's wrong) then you need to talk to those who wrote and passed the law. All this anger directed at the street cops is totally misplaced, but sadly most cops have accepted it as past of the job. It's like taking your car to the dentist to have the engine rebuilt!

Keep in mind that what is legal in one state may not be in GA. What is legal in GA may not be legal in other states. They are all different! And some laws with change with city limits.

And yes....ALL NEWS MEDIA LIE!
I have personally seen it time and time again. Even Sheriff Warren just recently made a press conference to address the WRONG statements made by the media (that the media totally made up) about the recent ebola scare at the Cobb Co. Jail. It happens every day, day in and day out. I truly hope none of you become victims of a biased media with an agenda but one day you will see it first hand....the hard way. This is why I will not comment of a selected story in the media as it is most likely tinted begin with. Provide me with a full unedited video from the very start of the incident until the end and I'll comment. Otherwise I have nothing to say.
 
While there are agencies that abuse this ... I think that one area that ruffles a lot of LE feathers is when they get blamed for things that aren't their creation. I know that I sat dumb-founded on more than one occasion in the last couple of months with so many articles, etc. on police racism and they almost always comment on an imbalance in convictions and sentencing. I admit I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer but could somebody please tell me what police officers have to do with judge/prosecutor/jury decisions? Or when police are blamed for laws. Umm ... no, that would be the lawmakers.

But all of that aside ... I blame GD's unicorn glitter farts being sliced by his thong for stradial's exit.
 
unionmom said:
While there are agencies that abuse this ... I think that one area that ruffles a lot of LE feathers is when they get blamed for things that aren't their creation. I know that I sat dumb-founded on more than one occasion in the last couple of months with so many articles, etc. on police racism and they almost always comment on an imbalance in convictions and sentencing. I admit I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer but could somebody please tell me what police officers have to do with judge/prosecutor/jury decisions? Or when police are blamed for laws. Umm ... no, that would be the lawmakers.

But all of that aside ... I blame GD's unicorn glitter farts being sliced by his thong for stradial's exit.
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I get that, as I told deewee. And I wasn't blaming LE in this matter! But the fact of the matter is that LE are the ones who seize the cash on the spot at the traffic stop wtih no arrest, and it's apparently legal, and the onus is on the citizen to get it back. What we're debating here is the constitutionality of that. Instead somehow it got all tied up into being all LEs are evil and all media are evil. And as for Winchester, this is a nationwide issue. IDK. I'm in the mood to leave with stradial. I swear. What happened to ordinary discussion among civil people?

I've been down this road here before. Not liking it any more the third time around.
 
I'll have to research how all this came to be, unless someone else knows and can save me the trouble. :))
 
Seriously people? Even when we get our panties in a wad here, we're still more civil than the other place.

Can we keep it real? Get over it and make tomorrow another day.
 
If anybody cares, my panties are wrinkle free. Really, could somebody please care. They were hard to press.
 
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