civil forfeiture

[Grey Colson]

Thankfully I am a professional poster 8) Nothing to see here folks....move along :race

 

[ShoeDiva]

OK, to expand a bit....these cop thread tend to get tense because there are many of us (myself included) who have been abused by police, and there are also LEO/former LEO/LEO spouses here who might take things too personally.

I think we can all agree that there are SOME bad cops out there, same as there are bad apples in every bunch. But we should be careful to use a narrow brush when painting them, and those on the other side might try to not take remarks about the bad cops personally. I am quite sure that the LEO family here do not fall into the bad cop category.

Soooo, anyone want to see a pic of my butt?

:wut Talk about a thread going downhill.

 

[stradial]

I shall end my portion of this...whatever it is with....Bless your heart, Brother and put all your $25.00 on red

One last post, at least for a while.

Try reading all my posts on this topic from the beginning.
You expect us to take your word about things, but you refuse to reciprocate and take our word about things.
I believe that is called a dbl standard.
You want to point out something, point out where you have ever said anything along these lines, "I was wrong", "I could be wrong", "I may be wrong", "While I disagree, I understand you point.".
As far as your "Bless your heart" and me being your "brother", you can take your smart ass "bless your heart" and stick it up your ass, and I an't your brother, in anyway, certainly not in Christ, because if you are what a Christian is, then where do I sign up to be an atheist?

And if anyone wants to complain about me and my posts or this post, don't sweat it.
The GREAT ALL POWERFUL ALL KNOWING Gray Colson has done what people on the other site can't and sent another away.
I may be back, but it will be a while.

 

[deewee]

I would like to say for the record that we are not talking about not liking law enforcement, saying all LE types are bad/corrupt, blah blah blah. We are saying that this practice of civil forfeiture (as it applies to traffic stops where the LE seizes cash not proven to be involved in a crime) is apparently treated as legal, and we don't think it is constitutional.

Winchester apparently thinks that all media always lies.

GC and deewee apparently think that any questioning of LE means that we think that all LE types are evil.

WE GET IT. WE ARE BACKERS OF LE. WE ARE ON YOUR SIDE. We are not the enemy.

What we are saying is that in this society, LE has come to be a little quick on the trigger (so to speak) of assuming the worst of people who have done nothing wrong. If citizens are never allowed to question those in authority, then we may as well live in Cuba.

Just because lawyers and used car salesmen and realtors have a bad name doesn't mean we don't think there are good ones and that we need them sometimes. And the good people in those areas are used to people thinking that and they roll with it.

As I said, we know that every single time an LEO leaves his/her home, they don't know if they will be returning. We know they deal with the scum of the earth every day and that they get sick of it. BUT WE ARE NOT THE ENEMY. We're just looking for an honest discussion of something we view as wrong.

That's because that is what they deal with, day in, day out. They go to work every day to be lied to, called names, and have their every move scrutinized by the public. It happens every.single.day.on.the.job. Does anyone else here know how they would react to this?

I am sure good, honest, cops would love nothing more than to separate themselves from the not so good, dishonest cops. BUT, because they all wear uniforms, work together, and are often seen as "one" to the public eye, they get unfair judgement of "they're all alike". I don't see a cop and wonder why he's defensive. I see a cop and say "no wonder he's defensive". They have to be defensive. They are targets in every aspect a human can be a target...just because of their job.

Back to the topic. Yes, there is room for cops to abuse the laws they are supposed to enforce. It happens. Yes, there are entire jurisdictions that abuse their positions in law enforcement.

I think any cop seizing money, without proper PC of said money being related to a crime, is abusing his position. Any jurisdiction that does this habitually needs to be cleaned out. Period. If a cop has a history of not being able to make sound cases, and people are hurt because of those actions, he needs to be dealt with however is appropriate (re-trained, written up, fired, whatever the situation merits).

 

[lotstodo]

Firstly, while I am sure to the bone that neither Winchester or GC would do such a thing unless directly ordered to do so, and that neither has personally witnessed abuses, the allegation that it doesn't happen is absolutely ludicrous. Pick up a newspaper or watch the evening news. It happens somewhere every day.

Thirdly, you guys may think that Cobb's nose is completely clean, but it isn't. While there have been no substantiated cased of theft, Cobb has been accused of and admitted to being in violation of Georgia Statutes, § 16-13-49(u)(4)(c)(iii). This is the part of the Forfeiture law that requires an annual reporting of all assets seized and the disposition of those assets. Cobb, along with most other Georgia counties, quite simply does not do this. Cobb was completely unable to respond to a FOI request for that information, because, in their words, the information did not exist. Through forensic accounting (unaudited) they were able to partially account for the cash and property. The result is that this money easily becomes nothing but a slush fund, completely off the books and ripe for abuse. In fact, Douglas County has used their fund for parties, gifts, and personal trips. There is no proof that Cobb has misused the funds, but there is absolutely no way to tell since they themselves don't know where it all went. Without a whistle blower, we will probably never know. I would like to believe that it was just an oversight on their part, I guess we will know next year when they do or do not file the required report.

The short answer is this. The burden of proof should always be on the government to prove the guilt of a citizen. The clown act of retaining property and administratively doling it out after 30 days if the department is not sued, or suing cash, automobiles, and homes as if they are not the private property of a citizen is the stuff of tyranny, pure and simple. It doesn't matter how much easier it makes somebody's job, it's still flat wrong and most certainly not what our founding fathers envisioned when they wrote the fourth amendment.

 

[mei lan]

I would like to say for the record that we are not talking about not liking law enforcement, saying all LE types are bad/corrupt, blah blah blah. We are saying that this practice of civil forfeiture (as it applies to traffic stops where the LE seizes cash not proven to be involved in a crime) is apparently treated as legal, and we don't think it is constitutional.

Winchester apparently thinks that all media always lies.

GC and deewee apparently think that any questioning of LE means that we think that all LE types are evil.

WE GET IT. WE ARE BACKERS OF LE. WE ARE ON YOUR SIDE. We are not the enemy.

What we are saying is that in this society, LE has come to be a little quick on the trigger (so to speak) of assuming the worst of people who have done nothing wrong. If citizens are never allowed to question those in authority, then we may as well live in Cuba.

Just because lawyers and used car salesmen and realtors have a bad name doesn't mean we don't think there are good ones and that we need them sometimes. And the good people in those areas are used to people thinking that and they roll with it.

As I said, we know that every single time an LEO leaves his/her home, they don't know if they will be returning. We know they deal with the scum of the earth every day and that they get sick of it. BUT WE ARE NOT THE ENEMY. We're just looking for an honest discussion of something we view as wrong.

That's because that is what they deal with, day in, day out. They go to work every day to be lied to, called names, and have their every move scrutinized by the public. It happens every.single.day.on.the.job. Does anyone else here know how they would react to this?

I am sure good, honest, cops would love nothing more than to separate themselves from the not so good, dishonest cops. BUT, because they all wear uniforms, work together, and are often seen as "one" to the public eye, they get unfair judgement of "they're all alike". I don't see a cop and wonder why he's defensive. I see a cop and say "no wonder he's defensive". They have to be defensive. They are targets in every aspect a human can be a target...just because of their job.

Back to the topic. Yes, there is room for cops to abuse the laws they are supposed to enforce. It happens. Yes, there are entire jurisdictions that abuse their positions in law enforcement.

I think any cop seizing money, without proper PC of said money being related to a crime, is abusing his position. Any jurisdiction that does this habitually needs to be cleaned out. Period. If a cop has a history of not being able to make sound cases, and people are hurt because of those actions, he needs to be dealt with however is appropriate (re-trained, written up, fired, whatever the situation merits).

I get it, sweetie - I really do. WE ARE BACKERS OF LE!!! In my family, we all but worship them and the military. We are not the enemy!

And what we're talking about here is NOT LE seizing stuff illegally...this is apparently legal (as it stands now), and we think it shouldn't be. Apparently a lot of jurisdictions do it as a money-gathering operation and it just is not right, IMHO. THAT is what we are trying to have a discussion about...not accusing all LE of being bad, corrupt, thieves, or whatever.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I shall end my portion of this...whatever it is with....Bless your heart, Brother and put all your $25.00 on red

One last post, at least for a while.

Try reading all my posts on this topic from the beginning.
You expect us to take your word about things, but you refuse to reciprocate and take our word about things.
I believe that is called a dbl standard.
You want to point out something, point out where you have ever said anything along these lines, "I was wrong", "I could be wrong", "I may be wrong", "While I disagree, I understand you point.".
As far as your "Bless your heart" and me being your "brother", you can take your smart ass "bless your heart" and stick it up your ass, and I an't your brother, in anyway, certainly not in Christ, because if you are what a Christian is, then where do I sign up to be an atheist?

And if anyone wants to complain about me and my posts or this post, don't sweat it.
The GREAT ALL POWERFUL ALL KNOWING Gray Colson has done what people on the other site can't and sent another away.
I may be back, but it will be a while.

I forbid you to leave! :tapfoot2

 

[mei lan]

I shall end my portion of this...whatever it is with....Bless your heart, Brother and put all your $25.00 on red

One last post, at least for a while.

Try reading all my posts on this topic from the beginning.
You expect us to take your word about things, but you refuse to reciprocate and take our word about things.
I believe that is called a dbl standard.
You want to point out something, point out where you have ever said anything along these lines, "I was wrong", "I could be wrong", "I may be wrong", "While I disagree, I understand you point.".
As far as your "Bless your heart" and me being your "brother", you can take your smart ass "bless your heart" and stick it up your ass, and I an't your brother, in anyway, certainly not in Christ, because if you are what a Christian is, then where do I sign up to be an atheist?

And if anyone wants to complain about me and my posts or this post, don't sweat it.
The GREAT ALL POWERFUL ALL KNOWING Gray Colson has done what people on the other site can't and sent another away.
I may be back, but it will be a while.

I forbid you to leave! :tapfoot2

Ah, dammit. :bleaksigh:

 

[deewee]

I would like to say for the record that we are not talking about not liking law enforcement, saying all LE types are bad/corrupt, blah blah blah. We are saying that this practice of civil forfeiture (as it applies to traffic stops where the LE seizes cash not proven to be involved in a crime) is apparently treated as legal, and we don't think it is constitutional.

Winchester apparently thinks that all media always lies.

GC and deewee apparently think that any questioning of LE means that we think that all LE types are evil.

WE GET IT. WE ARE BACKERS OF LE. WE ARE ON YOUR SIDE. We are not the enemy.

What we are saying is that in this society, LE has come to be a little quick on the trigger (so to speak) of assuming the worst of people who have done nothing wrong. If citizens are never allowed to question those in authority, then we may as well live in Cuba.

Just because lawyers and used car salesmen and realtors have a bad name doesn't mean we don't think there are good ones and that we need them sometimes. And the good people in those areas are used to people thinking that and they roll with it.

As I said, we know that every single time an LEO leaves his/her home, they don't know if they will be returning. We know they deal with the scum of the earth every day and that they get sick of it. BUT WE ARE NOT THE ENEMY. We're just looking for an honest discussion of something we view as wrong.

That's because that is what they deal with, day in, day out. They go to work every day to be lied to, called names, and have their every move scrutinized by the public. It happens every.single.day.on.the.job. Does anyone else here know how they would react to this?

I am sure good, honest, cops would love nothing more than to separate themselves from the not so good, dishonest cops. BUT, because they all wear uniforms, work together, and are often seen as "one" to the public eye, they get unfair judgement of "they're all alike". I don't see a cop and wonder why he's defensive. I see a cop and say "no wonder he's defensive". They have to be defensive. They are targets in every aspect a human can be a target...just because of their job.

Back to the topic. Yes, there is room for cops to abuse the laws they are supposed to enforce. It happens. Yes, there are entire jurisdictions that abuse their positions in law enforcement.

I think any cop seizing money, without proper PC of said money being related to a crime, is abusing his position. Any jurisdiction that does this habitually needs to be cleaned out. Period. If a cop has a history of not being able to make sound cases, and people are hurt because of those actions, he needs to be dealt with however is appropriate (re-trained, written up, fired, whatever the situation merits).

I get it, sweetie - I really do. WE ARE BACKERS OF LE!!! In my family, we all but worship them and the military. We are not the enemy!

And what we're talking about here is NOT LE seizing stuff illegally...this is apparently legal (as it stands now), and we think it shouldn't be. Apparently a lot of jurisdictions do it as a money-gathering operation and it just is not right, IMHO. THAT is what we are trying to have a discussion about...not accusing all LE of being bad, corrupt, thieves, or whatever.

I completely agree. It is a disgusting abuse of position, power, and office. Absolutely disgusting.

:hug
I get carried away defending police officers (not the bad ones), because well...you know why. :love

 

[Guard Dad]

Do I need to fart glitter in here?

 

[ShoeDiva]

Do I need to fart glitter in here?

:girlsaysno

 

[mei lan]

No, but it might help improve my mood some if you'd let me slap you a good 'un. 'Course, then I'd have to meet you in person, and we can't have that.

 

[Guard Dad]

No, but it might help improve my mood some if you'd let me slap you a good 'un. 'Course, then I'd have to meet you in person, and we can't have that.

Is it wrong that I'm a little excited over the thought of you slapping me?

 

[mei lan]

No, but it might help improve my mood some if you'd let me slap you a good 'un. 'Course, then I'd have to meet you in person, and we can't have that.

Is it wrong that I'm a little excited over the thought of you slapping me?

 

[ShoeDiva]

No, but it might help improve my mood some if you'd let me slap you a good 'un. 'Course, then I'd have to meet you in person, and we can't have that.

Is it wrong that I'm a little excited over the thought of you slapping me?

:faint

 

[deewee]

No, but it might help improve my mood some if you'd let me slap you a good 'un. 'Course, then I'd have to meet you in person, and we can't have that.

Is it wrong that I'm a little excited over the thought of you slapping me?

:faint

:faint :faint

 

[LisaC]

I shall end my portion of this...whatever it is with....Bless your heart, Brother and put all your $25.00 on red

One last post, at least for a while.

Try reading all my posts on this topic from the beginning.
You expect us to take your word about things, but you refuse to reciprocate and take our word about things.
I believe that is called a dbl standard.
You want to point out something, point out where you have ever said anything along these lines, "I was wrong", "I could be wrong", "I may be wrong", "While I disagree, I understand you point.".
As far as your "Bless your heart" and me being your "brother", you can take your smart ass "bless your heart" and stick it up your ass, and I an't your brother, in anyway, certainly not in Christ, because if you are what a Christian is, then where do I sign up to be an atheist?

And if anyone wants to complain about me and my posts or this post, don't sweat it.
The GREAT ALL POWERFUL ALL KNOWING Gray Colson has done what people on the other site can't and sent another away.
I may be back, but it will be a while.

I forbid you to leave! :tapfoot2

Amen - Boy, PRIDE weekend is this weekend in the ATL, DO NOT make me gather the sisterhood and come over there and drag you back here... :tapfoot2 :tapfoot2 :tapfoot2 :tapfoot2



By the way, I took the time to read this thread from the beginning. For anyone who wants to jump on Stradial for his opinions, he is right - you should take the time to read all of his comments. You don't have to agree with him, but there is no reason to treat him with disrespect. (After all, you responding to Stradial - not me or Diva). oke2

 

[ShoeDiva]

I shall end my portion of this...whatever it is with....Bless your heart, Brother and put all your $25.00 on red

One last post, at least for a while.

Try reading all my posts on this topic from the beginning.
You expect us to take your word about things, but you refuse to reciprocate and take our word about things.
I believe that is called a dbl standard.
You want to point out something, point out where you have ever said anything along these lines, "I was wrong", "I could be wrong", "I may be wrong", "While I disagree, I understand you point.".
As far as your "Bless your heart" and me being your "brother", you can take your smart ass "bless your heart" and stick it up your ass, and I an't your brother, in anyway, certainly not in Christ, because if you are what a Christian is, then where do I sign up to be an atheist?

And if anyone wants to complain about me and my posts or this post, don't sweat it.
The GREAT ALL POWERFUL ALL KNOWING Gray Colson has done what people on the other site can't and sent another away.
I may be back, but it will be a while.

I forbid you to leave! :tapfoot2

Amen - Boy, PRIDE weekend is this weekend in the ATL, DO NOT make me gather the sisterhood and come over there and drag you back here... :tapfoot2 :tapfoot2 :tapfoot2 :tapfoot2



By the way, I took the time to read this thread from the beginning. For anyone who wants to jump on Stradial for his opinions, he is right - you should take the time to read all of his comments. You don't have to agree with him, but there is no reason to treat him with disrespect. (After all, you responding to Stradial - not me or Diva). oke2

) Can you imagine his face if that happens?

 

[Grey Colson]

I shall end my portion of this...whatever it is with....Bless your heart, Brother and put all your $25.00 on red

One last post, at least for a while.

Try reading all my posts on this topic from the beginning.
You expect us to take your word about things, but you refuse to reciprocate and take our word about things.
I believe that is called a dbl standard.
You want to point out something, point out where you have ever said anything along these lines, "I was wrong", "I could be wrong", "I may be wrong", "While I disagree, I understand you point.".
As far as your "Bless your heart" and me being your "brother", you can take your smart ass "bless your heart" and stick it up your ass, and I an't your brother, in anyway, certainly not in Christ, because if you are what a Christian is, then where do I sign up to be an atheist?

And if anyone wants to complain about me and my posts or this post, don't sweat it.
The GREAT ALL POWERFUL ALL KNOWING Gray Colson has done what people on the other site can't and sent another away.
I may be back, but it will be a while.

Wow. No one is trying to make you leave, no matter what you think of me personally. I suppose I should not have had an opinion on the issue

 

[mei lan]

I shall end my portion of this...whatever it is with....Bless your heart, Brother and put all your $25.00 on red

One last post, at least for a while.

Try reading all my posts on this topic from the beginning.
You expect us to take your word about things, but you refuse to reciprocate and take our word about things.
I believe that is called a dbl standard.
You want to point out something, point out where you have ever said anything along these lines, "I was wrong", "I could be wrong", "I may be wrong", "While I disagree, I understand you point.".
As far as your "Bless your heart" and me being your "brother", you can take your smart ass "bless your heart" and stick it up your ass, and I an't your brother, in anyway, certainly not in Christ, because if you are what a Christian is, then where do I sign up to be an atheist?

And if anyone wants to complain about me and my posts or this post, don't sweat it.
The GREAT ALL POWERFUL ALL KNOWING Gray Colson has done what people on the other site can't and sent another away.
I may be back, but it will be a while.

Wow. No one is trying to make you leave, no matter what you think of me personally. I suppose I should not have had an opinion on the issue

I didn't see your opinion on the issue at hand (the constitutionality of the practice of LE seizing of cash during a traffic stop sans arrest). Did I miss it?