Can you lose it?

[Blazing Saddles]

Re: Re: Can you lose it?

That's all you guys can come up with? Obviously you can't read this driving but it isn't took hard. Maybe I'll added a few pictures next time. I'm on vacation and thought enough of all of you to give my input and a great theologian who puts it into simple terms we all can benefit from. 8)

Dude! I could cut and paste Humanae Vitae, but I don't because I figure you could Google that for yourself. I give you *my* take on it, in my own words because we are human beings having a conversation. I do the work on my point of view and present it. You need to step up to the plate do the work on your point of view. I don't have time to invest in Spurgeon!

Like I said, it's an easy topic that I'll be more than glad to address when I get home. You guys are too sensitive today. Lighten up and go attack Guard Dad, sand and waves are awaiting.

 

[Genevieve]

Re: Re: Can you lose it?

That's all you guys can come up with? Obviously you can't read this driving but it isn't took hard. Maybe I'll added a few pictures next time. I'm on vacation and thought enough of all of you to give my input and a great theologian who puts it into simple terms were all can benefit from. 8)

I didn't ask for the input of a great theologian - I asked for YOUR input. You read it and post your thoughts on it. If I wanted to cut and paste Spurgeon, I could have done that two pages ago...

uh, hello? I gave you mine as well.

Maybe I should have posted pictures for the simple minded..... ) ) )

Simple minded? BOY, keep going and we might find out if your salvation will get you into heaven a little sooner than you might have expected...
:Stick


As for your comments, I read them, but by the time I got through with Spurgeon treatise, I couldn't remember if you made a personal comment or not...

I confess, I could not slog through the treatise...

 

[ShoeDiva]

I was on my phone and it came across as one big blob! ) Go easy on the sun BS. :suntn You have obviously been out in it too long!

 

[Genevieve]

Re: Re: Can you lose it?

That's all you guys can come up with? Obviously you can't read this driving but it isn't took hard. Maybe I'll added a few pictures next time. I'm on vacation and thought enough of all of you to give my input and a great theologian who puts it into simple terms we all can benefit from. 8)

Dude! I could cut and paste Humanae Vitae, but I don't because I figure you could Google that for yourself. I give you *my* take on it, in my own words because we are human beings having a conversation. I do the work on my point of view and present it. You need to step up to the plate do the work on your point of view. I don't have time to invest in Spurgeon!

Like I said, it's an easy topic that I'll be more than glad to address when I get home. You guys are too sensitive today. Lighten up and go attack Guard Dad, sand and waves are awaiting.

I know! I'm uncharacteristically bellicose today. Maybe there's a full moon or something. In any case, we'll be waiting for your comments. :tapfoot2

 

[LisaC]

Re: Re: Can you lose it?

That's all you guys can come up with? Obviously you can't read this driving but it isn't took hard. Maybe I'll added a few pictures next time. I'm on vacation and thought enough of all of you to give my input and a great theologian who puts it into simple terms were all can benefit from. 8)

I didn't ask for the input of a great theologian - I asked for YOUR input. You read it and post your thoughts on it. If I wanted to cut and paste Spurgeon, I could have done that two pages ago...

uh, hello? I gave you mine as well.

Maybe I should have posted pictures for the simple minded..... ) ) )

Simple minded? BOY, keep going and we might find out if your salvation will get you into heaven a little sooner than you might have expected...
:Stick


As for your comments, I read them, but by the time I got through with Spurgeon treatise, I couldn't remember if you made a personal comment or not...

I confess, I could not slog through the treatise...

It's Spurgeon's commentary on how to be assured you are saved. If you decide to read it, click on the link - it's much easier to read that way.

 

[LisaC]

I was on my phone and it came across as one big blob! ) Go easy on the sun BS. :suntn You have obviously been out in it too long!

Yeah, I think that one last brain cell has been toasted.. :taunt :taunt

 

[Blazing Saddles]

))))))

I'll talk too you all soon. Have a blessed evening.

 

[mei lan]

Once saved, always saved. IMHO

I have always believed this to be true.

Me three.

I also think there are a lot of people who claim to be saved that aren't. But that's between them and God, not for me to determine.

Agreed. John says nothing can pluck us out of His hand. And if we didn't do anything to get it (it's by His grace we are saved), we can't do anything to lose it. I believe the Lord looks at suicide as he would any other sin, and He is merciful above all.

 

[mei lan]

Mrs. Colson asked me the suicide question. The only response I could give her was is it worse to killssomeone else than yourself? If that is true, can a murderer be saved?

A mirderer has an opportunity to repent after he commits the offense. You don't get that opportunity with suicide.

Of course a murderer can be saved. Paul murdered Christians for a living, and he was saved.

As for suicide, that falls under the blood if a person is saved. The blood of Christ covers and erases all sin for those who believe - from the cross backward into time and from the cross forward into time. Ergo, if a person sins after trusting in the saving power of His blood, then that sin is covered/erased already. Period.

 

[mei lan]

Re: Re: Can you lose it?

I know! I'm uncharacteristically bellicose today.

Woo hoo! Genevieve joins the rest of us humans! :cheer1

 

[LisaC]

Mrs. Colson asked me the suicide question. The only response I could give her was is it worse to killssomeone else than yourself? If that is true, can a murderer be saved?

A mirderer has an opportunity to repent after he commits the offense. You don't get that opportunity with suicide.

Of course a murderer can be saved. Paul murdered Christians for a living, and he was saved.

As for suicide, that falls under the blood if a person is saved. The blood of Christ covers and erases all sin for those who believe - from the cross backward into time and from the cross forward into time. Ergo, if a person sins after trusting in the saving power of His blood, then that sin is covered/erased already. Period.

So if a pastor walks away from the church and then murders his wife, stops tithing, kicks his dog and doesn't repent, he will still go to heaven?

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Re: Re: Can you lose it?

Mrs. Colson asked me the suicide question. The only response I could give her was is it worse to killssomeone else than yourself? If that is true, can a murderer be saved?

A mirderer has an opportunity to repent after he commits the offense. You don't get that opportunity with suicide.

Of course a murderer can be saved. Paul murdered Christians for a living, and he was saved.

As for suicide, that falls under the blood if a person is saved. The blood of Christ covers and erases all sin for those who believe - from the cross backward into time and from the cross forward into time. Ergo, if a person sins after trusting in the saving power of His blood, then that sin is covered/erased already. Period.

So if a pastor walks away from the church and then murders his wife, stops tithing, kicks his dog and doesn't repent, he will still go to heaven?

What does it matter? Are you planning something?

 

[mei lan]

Hi! Here's more from the Catholic side of things! You cannot be un-christened, but neither does baptism guarantee entry into heaven. Baptism only makes entry into heaven possible. It is our response (of course, initiated and aided by God's grace) that brings us to salvation.

As Christians, none of us can know, for sure, whether or not we are saved. We all need to persevere until the end! St. Paul certainly did not believe he was saved and always saved! He wrote:

(1 Corinthians 9:26-27) "Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. No, I strike a blow to my bodyband make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize."

I could give you many more Scripture passages, such as:

(Hebrews 10:36) "You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised."

(James 1:12) "Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him."

(2 John 1:8-9) "Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."

Ooh - the rare occasion when I disagree with Genevieve! I believe those passages refer to our rewards in heaven, not our salvation. That is to say, Paul said to press on for the high calling in order that we might be everything we can be here on earth and be clean and open vessels for the Lord to use us here on this earth, and thereby gain rewards in heaven (which we will then lay at His feet anyway because He is worthy). Our garments in heaven will be created from our good works/rewards ("She has been given the finest of pure white linen to wear.” For the fine linen represents the good deeds of God’s holy people. Revelation 19:8, New Living Translation).

 

[mei lan]

Mrs. Colson asked me the suicide question. The only response I could give her was is it worse to killssomeone else than yourself? If that is true, can a murderer be saved?

A mirderer has an opportunity to repent after he commits the offense. You don't get that opportunity with suicide.

Of course a murderer can be saved. Paul murdered Christians for a living, and he was saved.

As for suicide, that falls under the blood if a person is saved. The blood of Christ covers and erases all sin for those who believe - from the cross backward into time and from the cross forward into time. Ergo, if a person sins after trusting in the saving power of His blood, then that sin is covered/erased already. Period.

So if a pastor walks away from the church and then murders his wife, stops tithing, kicks his dog and doesn't repent, he will still go to heaven?

If, as you say at the beginning of this topic, he has accepted the sacrifice of Christ for his sins, the answer is yes. (I do not necessarily equate being a pastor with being saved. ) Perhaps he had a brain tumor. Perhaps he was enamored of a bad woman. Whatever. The answer is still yes.

 

[J-man]

I'll meet ya'll at the gate, hopefully it won't be locked. I personally think the answer is in scripture and one must come to their own conclusion through their personal walk with Christ and deep prayer. My opinion is that we sometimes trivialize these most important questions and expect easy answers when we should be looking at God for the true answer. If we ask, we shall receive.

 

[I'm Floored]

Hi! Here's more from the Catholic side of things! You cannot be un-christened, but neither does baptism guarantee entry into heaven. Baptism only makes entry into heaven possible. It is our response (of course, initiated and aided by God's grace) that brings us to salvation.

As Christians, none of us can know, for sure, whether or not we are saved. We all need to persevere until the end! St. Paul certainly did not believe he was saved and always saved! He wrote:

(1 Corinthians 9:26-27) "Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. No, I strike a blow to my bodyband make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize."

I could give you many more Scripture passages, such as:

(Hebrews 10:36) "You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised."

(James 1:12) "Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him."

(2 John 1:8-9) "Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."

Ooh - the rare occasion when I disagree with Genevieve! I believe those passages refer to our rewards in heaven, not our salvation. That is to say, Paul said to press on for the high calling in order that we might be everything we can be here on earth and be clean and open vessels for the Lord to use us here on this earth, and thereby gain rewards in heaven (which we will then lay at His feet anyway because He is worthy). Our garments in heaven will be created from our good works/rewards ("She has been given the finest of pure white linen to wear.” For the fine linen represents the good deeds of God’s holy people. Revelation 19:8, New Living Translation).

:ditto

 

[I'm Floored]

Hi! Here's more from the Catholic side of things! You cannot be un-christened, but neither does baptism guarantee entry into heaven. Baptism only makes entry into heaven possible. It is our response (of course, initiated and aided by God's grace) that brings us to salvation.

As Christians, none of us can know, for sure, whether or not we are saved. We all need to persevere until the end! St. Paul certainly did not believe he was saved and always saved! He wrote:

(1 Corinthians 9:26-27) "Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. No, I strike a blow to my bodyband make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize."

I could give you many more Scripture passages, such as:

(Hebrews 10:36) "You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised."

(James 1:12) "Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him."

(2 John 1:8-9) "Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."

Ooh - the rare occasion when I disagree with Genevieve! I believe those passages refer to our rewards in heaven, not our salvation. That is to say, Paul said to press on for the high calling in order that we might be everything we can be here on earth and be clean and open vessels for the Lord to use us here on this earth, and thereby gain rewards in heaven (which we will then lay at His feet anyway because He is worthy). Our garments in heaven will be created from our good works/rewards ("She has been given the finest of pure white linen to wear.” For the fine linen represents the good deeds of God’s holy people. Revelation 19:8, New Living Translation).

:ditto

 

[ShoeDiva]

Re: Re: Can you lose it?

Mrs. Colson asked me the suicide question. The only response I could give her was is it worse to killssomeone else than yourself? If that is true, can a murderer be saved?

A mirderer has an opportunity to repent after he commits the offense. You don't get that opportunity with suicide.

Of course a murderer can be saved. Paul murdered Christians for a living, and he was saved.

As for suicide, that falls under the blood if a person is saved. The blood of Christ covers and erases all sin for those who believe - from the cross backward into time and from the cross forward into time. Ergo, if a person sins after trusting in the saving power of His blood, then that sin is covered/erased already. Period.

So if a pastor walks away from the church and then murders his wife, stops tithing, kicks his dog and doesn't repent, he will still go to heaven?

What does it matter? Are you planning something?

She might be, don't tell her your location!


































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[LisaC]

Re: Re: Can you lose it?

Mrs. Colson asked me the suicide question. The only response I could give her was is it worse to killssomeone else than yourself? If that is true, can a murderer be saved?

A mirderer has an opportunity to repent after he commits the offense. You don't get that opportunity with suicide.

Of course a murderer can be saved. Paul murdered Christians for a living, and he was saved.

As for suicide, that falls under the blood if a person is saved. The blood of Christ covers and erases all sin for those who believe - from the cross backward into time and from the cross forward into time. Ergo, if a person sins after trusting in the saving power of His blood, then that sin is covered/erased already. Period.

So if a pastor walks away from the church and then murders his wife, stops tithing, kicks his dog and doesn't repent, he will still go to heaven?

What does it matter? Are you planning something?

She might be, don't tell her your location!

:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

:whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle

 

[Genevieve]

Hi! Here's more from the Catholic side of things! You cannot be un-christened, but neither does baptism guarantee entry into heaven. Baptism only makes entry into heaven possible. It is our response (of course, initiated and aided by God's grace) that brings us to salvation.

As Christians, none of us can know, for sure, whether or not we are saved. We all need to persevere until the end! St. Paul certainly did not believe he was saved and always saved! He wrote:

(1 Corinthians 9:26-27) "Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. No, I strike a blow to my bodyband make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize."

I could give you many more Scripture passages, such as:

(Hebrews 10:36) "You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised."

(James 1:12) "Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him."

(2 John 1:8-9) "Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."

Ooh - the rare occasion when I disagree with Genevieve! I believe those passages refer to our rewards in heaven, not our salvation. That is to say, Paul said to press on for the high calling in order that we might be everything we can be here on earth and be clean and open vessels for the Lord to use us here on this earth, and thereby gain rewards in heaven (which we will then lay at His feet anyway because He is worthy). Our garments in heaven will be created from our good works/rewards ("She has been given the finest of pure white linen to wear.” For the fine linen represents the good deeds of God’s holy people. Revelation 19:8, New Living Translation).

:ditto

Mei Lan and I'm Floored,

I understand what you are saying about these passages, since they refer to a prize, a promise, a reward, etc. You believe those are something like icing on the cake of salvation--icing that you are going to give back to the Lord anyway. (So you might be tempted to ask, "What's the difference?")

But how would you explain Matthew 24:12-13 "Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved." If the one who stands firm to the end will be saved, what about the one whose love grows cold and who does not stand firm to the end? Do you believe that he also is saved?

Also, in the parable of the sower, Jesus explains that some receive the word with joy but then either Satan, or the cares of this world, or persecution thwart their growth, and they wither and die. Do you believe they receive eternal life even though Our Lord describes them as withered and dead?