BSA Leaders

[LisaC]

I agree with NG; this was a financial decision and not one made on its principles. They caved. BSA is a private organization that depended upon fundraisers and donations from organizations and businesses to survive. Any of organization that opposed BSA's position of not allowing gays to participate were free to start their own type of program that would allow gays to belong.

Even the federal government attempted to harm BSA by prohibiting them the use of federal owned land; land they used to allow them to use for special events.

So now these organizations have won with the BSA decision to allow gays by harming them financially. What organization will they attack next?

But those companies and organizations have the freedom to choose to whom they give money. The fact that they chose not to give it to BSA is their decision. Now the fact that the BSA was unable to find organizations or companies willing to fill that void, speaks volumes. (But, to me, in a good way). The question will be now whether those companies and organizations will resume their contributions or if the harm is irreparable.

 

[LisaC]

So if BSA made this decision for money, money needed to stay alive, isn't that a good thing overall? That means that the program will continue to be there for the boys. Should they have let the program die for lack of funding?

There was plenty of funding from organizations that applauded them for holding on to their values, they wanted more. Should we let the program die for lack of membership?

Why don't the girl scouts let boys in their organization??? Better yet, how many boys do you know that want to be girl scouts? The programs are very similar.

Why doesn't the KKK allow black folk in? Why doesn't the NAACP allow white folk in? Why is it that white folk aren't members of the Rainbow Coalition?

 

[Madea]

MH, I believe the requirements will change for Eagle Scout to attract more membership, it will become easier because there will be many turning away from scouting.

Without a strong membership, the BSA is doomed. There are thousands of parents that will just pull their boys out of the program and the churches will no longer charter units.

Yes, he can earn the rank but it won't be the same as it was before this decision.

I think there are more people that are accepting of people being different, than aren't and you might see a membership drop at first, but look at all the people that avoided it because of their stance. I do not believe that you will see a decline in membership for long.

Many churches have gay members, why would they care if a troop met there and scouts or leaders were gay? To me that makes no sense. :dunno

Who? Where's the proof in that statement?

I personally know of at least 3 families that have avoided BSA because of their stance on gays.

Because there were no openly gay leaders? Please tell me how that effects their child's participation in the group?

 

[Winchester]

First I have to say I did not read all the comments, skimmed a few and skipped a page. I am an Eagle Scout, my 2 brothers are Eagle Scouts, both parents were still involved in Scouts long after we boys left it. Starting way back in the 70's we were all heavily involved basically 24/7. And I remember the same things being said when Boy Scouts started allowing women into the ranks and leadership. Asides from Cub Scouts, women were just involved when I was active for many reasons.

I cannot say that this will be a killer to the program, allowing women into the leadership programs didn't. So I expect that this too will come to pass with time and be a generally excepted practice. As long as they accept and teach the principles of the Scouts. The world is changing and so will Scouting! If nothing else it will get more men and women to get involved!

 

[Madea]

So if BSA made this decision for money, money needed to stay alive, isn't that a good thing overall? That means that the program will continue to be there for the boys. Should they have let the program die for lack of funding?

There was plenty of funding from organizations that applauded them for holding on to their values, they wanted more. Should we let the program die for lack of membership?

Why don't the girl scouts let boys in their organization??? Better yet, how many boys do you know that want to be girl scouts? The programs are very similar.

Why doesn't the KKK allow black folk in? Why doesn't the NAACP allow white folk in? Why is it that white folk aren't members of the Rainbow Coalition?

Where you going with that? there are white members of the NAACP. I'm guessing you could find an instance of a black person in the KKK or the Rainbow Coalition.

 

[Mrs. Foxmeister]

I agree with NG; this was a financial decision and not one made on its principles. They caved. BSA is a private organization that depended upon fundraisers and donations from organizations and businesses to survive. Any of organization that opposed BSA's position of not allowing gays to participate were free to start their own type of program that would allow gays to belong.

Even the federal government attempted to harm BSA by prohibiting them the use of federal owned land; land they used to allow them to use for special events.

So now these organizations have won with the BSA decision to allow gays by harming them financially. What organization will they attack next?

the girl scouts :spitchick

 

[ShoeDiva]

First I have to say I did not read all the comments, skimmed a few and skipped a page. I am an Eagle Scout, my 2 brothers are Eagle Scouts, both parents were still involved in Scouts long after we boys left it. Starting way back in the 70's we were all heavily involved basically 24/7. And I remember the same things being said when Boy Scouts started allowing women into the ranks and leadership. Asides from Cub Scouts, women were just involved when I was active for many reasons.

I cannot say that this will be a killer to the program, allowing women into the leadership programs didn't. So I expect that this too will come to pass with time and be a generally excepted practice. As long as they accept and teach the principles of the Scouts. The world is changing and so will Scouting! If nothing else it will get more men and women to get involved!

:thumbsup

 

[Foxmeister]

I agree with NG; this was a financial decision and not one made on its principles. They caved. BSA is a private organization that depended upon fundraisers and donations from organizations and businesses to survive. Any of organization that opposed BSA's position of not allowing gays to participate were free to start their own type of program that would allow gays to belong.

Even the federal government attempted to harm BSA by prohibiting them the use of federal owned land; land they used to allow them to use for special events.

So now these organizations have won with the BSA decision to allow gays by harming them financially. What organization will they attack next?

But those companies and organizations have the freedom to choose to whom they give money. The fact that they chose not to give it to BSA is their decision. Now the fact that the BSA was unable to find organizations or companies willing to fill that void, speaks volumes. (But, to me, in a good way). The question will be now whether those companies and organizations will resume their contributions or if the harm is irreparable.

Look at the real reasons why they decided to pull their money. Not because of the organization's position on gays, but because gay organizations and others threatened boycotts of those businesses. Look back recently at how gays and others attacked Chick-fil-A because they donated money to organizations that didn't support gays. They called for people to boycott the company in an attempt to hurt the company financially so they would be forced to quit giving to the organizations of their choice.

 

[LisaC]

So if BSA made this decision for money, money needed to stay alive, isn't that a good thing overall? That means that the program will continue to be there for the boys. Should they have let the program die for lack of funding?

There was plenty of funding from organizations that applauded them for holding on to their values, they wanted more. Should we let the program die for lack of membership?

Why don't the girl scouts let boys in their organization??? Better yet, how many boys do you know that want to be girl scouts? The programs are very similar.

Why doesn't the KKK allow black folk in? Why doesn't the NAACP allow white folk in? Why is it that white folk aren't members of the Rainbow Coalition?

Where you going with that? there are white members of the NAACP. I'm guessing you could find an instance of a black person in the KKK or the Rainbow Coalition.

Just something that came to mind when I read the post about why don't the girl scouts let boys in. Kids or adults, these organization exist and they're all private - they don't lack for funding and some of them have very discriminatory practices. If a corporate sponsor drops them, they still find a way to survive.

That's all... :dunno

 

[unionmom]

Because there were no openly gay leaders? Please tell me how that effects their child's participation in the group?

Their reasoning is because of the intolerance and refusal to accept others both at leadership and scout level.

(Not sure how relevant it is but none of the 3 families reside in Georgia.)

 

[ShoeDiva]

I agree with NG; this was a financial decision and not one made on its principles. They caved. BSA is a private organization that depended upon fundraisers and donations from organizations and businesses to survive. Any of organization that opposed BSA's position of not allowing gays to participate were free to start their own type of program that would allow gays to belong.

Even the federal government attempted to harm BSA by prohibiting them the use of federal owned land; land they used to allow them to use for special events.

So now these organizations have won with the BSA decision to allow gays by harming them financially. What organization will they attack next?

But those companies and organizations have the freedom to choose to whom they give money. The fact that they chose not to give it to BSA is their decision. Now the fact that the BSA was unable to find organizations or companies willing to fill that void, speaks volumes. (But, to me, in a good way). The question will be now whether those companies and organizations will resume their contributions or if the harm is irreparable.

Look at the real reasons why they decided to pull their money. Not because of the organization's position on gays, but because gay organizations and others threatened boycotts of those businesses. Look back recently at how gays and others attacked Chick-fil-A because they donated money to organizations that didn't support gays. They called for people to boycott the company in an attempt to hurt the company financially so they would be forced to quit giving to the organizations of their choice.

I don't think most of the companies that pulled their money were the same as Chick Fil A. Intel, UPS? (the bigger ones) How much would a gay boycott actually hurt them? People eat daily, the other companies are a little harder to boycott and again I am not sure the money would be significant enough that they would change something like this. (For every package lost another gained from the person on the opposite side. Same as the computer chip.) I think they pulled their money because it is stated in their policy no discrimination, and they were not donating to companies that do.

 

[naturegirl]

So if BSA made this decision for money, money needed to stay alive, isn't that a good thing overall? That means that the program will continue to be there for the boys. Should they have let the program die for lack of funding?

There was plenty of funding from organizations that applauded them for holding on to their values, they wanted more. Should we let the program die for lack of membership?

Why don't the girl scouts let boys in their organization??? Better yet, how many boys do you know that want to be girl scouts? The programs are very similar.

Why doesn't the KKK allow black folk in? Why doesn't the NAACP allow white folk in? Why is it that white folk aren't members of the Rainbow Coalition?

Where you going with that? there are white members of the NAACP. I'm guessing you could find an instance of a black person in the KKK or the Rainbow Coalition.

Just something that came to mind when I read the post about why don't the girl scouts let boys in. Kids or adults, these organization exist and they're all private - they don't lack for funding and some of them have very discriminatory practices. If a corporate sponsor drops them, they still find a way to survive.

That's all... :dunno

Do you know what the Gold Award is?? Don't google it, yet.



If you do and or have now googled it, does it hold the same weight as the Eagle Scout award??

Why don't boys want to be girl scouts?? Anyone??

Here's an interesting study, long but full of information and statistics. And this is what bothers me the most.

Homosexuals Comprise Less than 3 Percent of the Population

· Relying upon three large data sets: the General Social Survey, the National Health and Social Life Survey, and the U.S. census, a recent study in Demography estimates the number of exclusive male homosexuals in the general population at 2.5 percent, and the number of exclusive lesbians at 1.4 percent.[12]

· A study of the sexual behavior of men in the United States based on the National Survey of Men (a nationally representative sample comprised of 3,321 men aged twenty to thirty-nine, published in Family Planning Perspectives), found that "2 percent of sexually active men aged twenty to thirty-nine . . . had had any same-gender sexual activity during the last ten years. Approximately 1 percent of the men (1.3 percent among whites and 0.2 percent among blacks) reported having had exclusively homosexual activity.[13]

· J. Gordon Muir, writing in The Wall Street Journal, discusses a number of studies that have found that homosexuals comprise between 1 to 3 percent of the population.[14]

· In a survey of studies on homosexuals in different populations, the Archives of Sexual Behavior reported a random sample of Hawaii State residents interviewed by telephone. The study found "just about 3 percent of males and 1.2 percent of females as having engaged in same-sex or bisexual activity."[15] However, this relatively higher number is attributed to the fact that the study was not limited to exclusive homosexuals, but included all those who at some time in their lives engaged in same-sex activities.[16]
Homosexual Pedophiles are Vastly Overrepresented in Child Sex Abuse Cases

Homosexual pedophiles sexually molest children at a far greater rate compared to the percentage of homosexuals in the general population. A study in the Journal of Sex Research found, as we have noted above, that "approximately one-third of [child sex offenders] had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized girls." The authors then make a prescient observation: "Interestingly, this ratio differs substantially from the ratio of gynephiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature females) to androphiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature males), which is at least 20 to 1."[17]

offenses.In other words, although heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses.

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3

 

[ShoeDiva]

So if BSA made this decision for money, money needed to stay alive, isn't that a good thing overall? That means that the program will continue to be there for the boys. Should they have let the program die for lack of funding?

There was plenty of funding from organizations that applauded them for holding on to their values, they wanted more. Should we let the program die for lack of membership?

Why don't the girl scouts let boys in their organization??? Better yet, how many boys do you know that want to be girl scouts? The programs are very similar.

Why doesn't the KKK allow black folk in? Why doesn't the NAACP allow white folk in? Why is it that white folk aren't members of the Rainbow Coalition?

Where you going with that? there are white members of the NAACP. I'm guessing you could find an instance of a black person in the KKK or the Rainbow Coalition.

Just something that came to mind when I read the post about why don't the girl scouts let boys in. Kids or adults, these organization exist and they're all private - they don't lack for funding and some of them have very discriminatory practices. If a corporate sponsor drops them, they still find a way to survive.

That's all... :dunno

Do you know what the Gold Award is?? Don't google it, yet.



If you do and or have now googled it, does it hold the same weight as the Eagle Scout award??

Why don't boys want to be girl scouts?? Anyone??

Here's an interesting study, long but full of information and statistics. And this is what bothers me the most.

Homosexuals Comprise Less than 3 Percent of the Population

· Relying upon three large data sets: the General Social Survey, the National Health and Social Life Survey, and the U.S. census, a recent study in Demography estimates the number of exclusive male homosexuals in the general population at 2.5 percent, and the number of exclusive lesbians at 1.4 percent.[12]

· A study of the sexual behavior of men in the United States based on the National Survey of Men (a nationally representative sample comprised of 3,321 men aged twenty to thirty-nine, published in Family Planning Perspectives), found that "2 percent of sexually active men aged twenty to thirty-nine . . . had had any same-gender sexual activity during the last ten years. Approximately 1 percent of the men (1.3 percent among whites and 0.2 percent among blacks) reported having had exclusively homosexual activity.[13]

· J. Gordon Muir, writing in The Wall Street Journal, discusses a number of studies that have found that homosexuals comprise between 1 to 3 percent of the population.[14]

· In a survey of studies on homosexuals in different populations, the Archives of Sexual Behavior reported a random sample of Hawaii State residents interviewed by telephone. The study found "just about 3 percent of males and 1.2 percent of females as having engaged in same-sex or bisexual activity."[15] However, this relatively higher number is attributed to the fact that the study was not limited to exclusive homosexuals, but included all those who at some time in their lives engaged in same-sex activities.[16]
Homosexual Pedophiles are Vastly Overrepresented in Child Sex Abuse Cases

Homosexual pedophiles sexually molest children at a far greater rate compared to the percentage of homosexuals in the general population. A study in the Journal of Sex Research found, as we have noted above, that "approximately one-third of [child sex offenders] had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized girls." The authors then make a prescient observation: "Interestingly, this ratio differs substantially from the ratio of gynephiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature females) to androphiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature males), which is at least 20 to 1."[17]

offenses.In other words, although heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses.

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3

So that is what bothers you the most? I really am at a loss for words.

 

[naturegirl]

So if BSA made this decision for money, money needed to stay alive, isn't that a good thing overall? That means that the program will continue to be there for the boys. Should they have let the program die for lack of funding?

There was plenty of funding from organizations that applauded them for holding on to their values, they wanted more. Should we let the program die for lack of membership?

Why don't the girl scouts let boys in their organization??? Better yet, how many boys do you know that want to be girl scouts? The programs are very similar.

Why doesn't the KKK allow black folk in? Why doesn't the NAACP allow white folk in? Why is it that white folk aren't members of the Rainbow Coalition?

Where you going with that? there are white members of the NAACP. I'm guessing you could find an instance of a black person in the KKK or the Rainbow Coalition.

Just something that came to mind when I read the post about why don't the girl scouts let boys in. Kids or adults, these organization exist and they're all private - they don't lack for funding and some of them have very discriminatory practices. If a corporate sponsor drops them, they still find a way to survive.

That's all... :dunno

Do you know what the Gold Award is?? Don't google it, yet.



If you do and or have now googled it, does it hold the same weight as the Eagle Scout award??

Why don't boys want to be girl scouts?? Anyone??

Here's an interesting study, long but full of information and statistics. And this is what bothers me the most.

Homosexuals Comprise Less than 3 Percent of the Population

· Relying upon three large data sets: the General Social Survey, the National Health and Social Life Survey, and the U.S. census, a recent study in Demography estimates the number of exclusive male homosexuals in the general population at 2.5 percent, and the number of exclusive lesbians at 1.4 percent.[12]

· A study of the sexual behavior of men in the United States based on the National Survey of Men (a nationally representative sample comprised of 3,321 men aged twenty to thirty-nine, published in Family Planning Perspectives), found that "2 percent of sexually active men aged twenty to thirty-nine . . . had had any same-gender sexual activity during the last ten years. Approximately 1 percent of the men (1.3 percent among whites and 0.2 percent among blacks) reported having had exclusively homosexual activity.[13]

· J. Gordon Muir, writing in The Wall Street Journal, discusses a number of studies that have found that homosexuals comprise between 1 to 3 percent of the population.[14]

· In a survey of studies on homosexuals in different populations, the Archives of Sexual Behavior reported a random sample of Hawaii State residents interviewed by telephone. The study found "just about 3 percent of males and 1.2 percent of females as having engaged in same-sex or bisexual activity."[15] However, this relatively higher number is attributed to the fact that the study was not limited to exclusive homosexuals, but included all those who at some time in their lives engaged in same-sex activities.[16]
Homosexual Pedophiles are Vastly Overrepresented in Child Sex Abuse Cases

Homosexual pedophiles sexually molest children at a far greater rate compared to the percentage of homosexuals in the general population. A study in the Journal of Sex Research found, as we have noted above, that "approximately one-third of [child sex offenders] had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized girls." The authors then make a prescient observation: "Interestingly, this ratio differs substantially from the ratio of gynephiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature females) to androphiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature males), which is at least 20 to 1."[17]

offenses.In other words, although heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses.

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3

So that is what bothers you the most? I really am at a loss for words.

So I'm not sure if it's the number of homosexual men that are involved in sexual abuse cases mostly involving boys or if it's just that the homosexual population is 3%.

Explain to me why this doesn't bother you?? I'm at a loss for words as well.

 

[LisaC]

I don't know what the gold award is or what an eagle scout award is.

But, here's a question, why did the Boy Scouts let women become leaders? Did having women in the roles of men confuse any of the kids? Did it make any of the boys want to become women? Are there studies?

[goingtothecornernow-ihopethere'scoffee]

 

[ShoeDiva]

I don't know what the gold award is or what an eagle scout award is.

But, here's a question, why did the Boy Scouts let women become leaders? Did having women in the roles of men confuse any of the kids? Did it make any of the boys want to become women? Are there studies?

[goingtothecornernow-ihopethere'scoffee]

LOL. I am bring vodka. It's noon. :drunkdiva

 

[LisaC]

I don't know what the gold award is or what an eagle scout award is.

But, here's a question, why did the Boy Scouts let women become leaders? Did having women in the roles of men confuse any of the kids? Did it make any of the boys want to become women? Are there studies?

[goingtothecornernow-ihopethere'scoffee]

LOL. I am bring vodka. It's noon. :drunkdiva

Yep, y'all have driven the Diva to start drinking. I think I'm going to hitch a ride!! :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva

 

[ShoeDiva]

I don't know what the gold award is or what an eagle scout award is.

But, here's a question, why did the Boy Scouts let women become leaders? Did having women in the roles of men confuse any of the kids? Did it make any of the boys want to become women? Are there studies?

[goingtothecornernow-ihopethere'scoffee]

LOL. I am bring vodka. It's noon. :drunkdiva

Yep, y'all have driven the Diva to start drinking. I think I'm going to hitch a ride!! :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva

So much I forgot my ing! :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva ha ha ha ha

 

[LisaC]

I don't know what the gold award is or what an eagle scout award is.

But, here's a question, why did the Boy Scouts let women become leaders? Did having women in the roles of men confuse any of the kids? Did it make any of the boys want to become women? Are there studies?

[goingtothecornernow-ihopethere'scoffee]

LOL. I am bring vodka. It's noon. :drunkdiva

Yep, y'all have driven the Diva to start drinking. I think I'm going to hitch a ride!! :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva

So much I forgot my ing! :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva ha ha ha ha

P.S. The waiter was gay at lunch today. I resisted the urge to ask him if he was ever in the Boy Scouts... :taunt

 

[ShoeDiva]

I don't know what the gold award is or what an eagle scout award is.

But, here's a question, why did the Boy Scouts let women become leaders? Did having women in the roles of men confuse any of the kids? Did it make any of the boys want to become women? Are there studies?

[goingtothecornernow-ihopethere'scoffee]

LOL. I am bring vodka. It's noon. :drunkdiva

Yep, y'all have driven the Diva to start drinking. I think I'm going to hitch a ride!! :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva

So much I forgot my ing! :drunkdiva :drunkdiva :drunkdiva ha ha ha ha

P.S. The waiter was gay at lunch today. I resisted the urge to ask him if he was ever in the Boy Scouts... :taunt

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