BSA Leaders

[LisaC]

BSA had effectively transferred this issue to religious institutions, they are not going to take this responsibility...........BSA just pushed it down the road and that's sad. If there are few chartered organizations where are the boys going to meet?? Are parents willing to drive 10-15 miles once a week for a 1 hour scout meeting??

I drive the princess from Marietta to her 30 minute piano lesson off of Old Cartersville Road, and back to South Paulding on Tuesday nights. :whistle

As long as you are willing to hear the truth of the Bible, everyone is welcome at our church.

 

[MamaHog]

BSA had effectively transferred this issue to religious institutions, they are not going to take this responsibility...........BSA just pushed it down the road and that's sad. If there are few chartered organizations where are the boys going to meet?? Are parents willing to drive 10-15 miles once a week for a 1 hour scout meeting??

I would. I practically do. I chose to take my son to a pack and then troop that was out of our school district because I didn't like the one we were districted for. I believe that there are many parents out there that would do the same.

 

[Madea]

MH, I believe the requirements will change for Eagle Scout to attract more membership, it will become easier because there will be many turning away from scouting.

Without a strong membership, the BSA is doomed. There are thousands of parents that will just pull their boys out of the program and the churches will no longer charter units.

Yes, he can earn the rank but it won't be the same as it was before this decision.

I think there are more people that are accepting of people being different, than aren't and you might see a membership drop at first, but look at all the people that avoided it because of their stance. I do not believe that you will see a decline in membership for long.

Many churches have gay members, why would they care if a troop met there and scouts or leaders were gay? To me that makes no sense. :dunno

Who? Where's the proof in that statement?

 

[naturegirl]

BSA had effectively transferred this issue to religious institutions, they are not going to take this responsibility...........BSA just pushed it down the road and that's sad. If there are few chartered organizations where are the boys going to meet?? Are parents willing to drive 10-15 miles once a week for a 1 hour scout meeting??

Do all troops meet at churches? What about schools? What about the churches that are more accepting of different lifestyles?

I used to drive my sister across town for Brownies/Girl Scouts. :dunno

No units do not meet at schools, if they do they are charged $$$ and most units cannot afford that. You have to understand, the BSA has pushed this on the Chartered organizations, they aren't going to take this on. There is nothing that says they have to charter a unit, they don't want to be involved in any controversy.............

I am the membership chair for Paulding District, I have a lot if insight as to why this is not a good decision. I know some of you want it to succeed with the "new" guidelines. We can only wait and see what happens to the organization.

 

[MamaHog]

BSA had effectively transferred this issue to religious institutions, they are not going to take this responsibility...........BSA just pushed it down the road and that's sad. If there are few chartered organizations where are the boys going to meet?? Are parents willing to drive 10-15 miles once a week for a 1 hour scout meeting??

Do all troops meet at churches? What about schools? What about the churches that are more accepting of different lifestyles?

I used to drive my sister across town for Brownies/Girl Scouts. :dunno

Our son's previous pack/troop had their initial meeting to get people to join at the school, but the meetings were held at the scout hut. They were not connected to a church.

 

[ShoeDiva]

MH, I believe the requirements will change for Eagle Scout to attract more membership, it will become easier because there will be many turning away from scouting.

Without a strong membership, the BSA is doomed. There are thousands of parents that will just pull their boys out of the program and the churches will no longer charter units.

Yes, he can earn the rank but it won't be the same as it was before this decision.

I think there are more people that are accepting of people being different, than aren't and you might see a membership drop at first, but look at all the people that avoided it because of their stance. I do not believe that you will see a decline in membership for long.

Many churches have gay members, why would they care if a troop met there and scouts or leaders were gay? To me that makes no sense. :dunno

Who? Where's the proof in that statement?

Logic.

 

[Madea]

MH, I believe the requirements will change for Eagle Scout to attract more membership, it will become easier because there will be many turning away from scouting.

Without a strong membership, the BSA is doomed. There are thousands of parents that will just pull their boys out of the program and the churches will no longer charter units.

Yes, he can earn the rank but it won't be the same as it was before this decision.

I think there are more people that are accepting of people being different, than aren't and you might see a membership drop at first, but look at all the people that avoided it because of their stance. I do not believe that you will see a decline in membership for long.

Many churches have gay members, why would they care if a troop met there and scouts or leaders were gay? To me that makes no sense. :dunno

Who? Where's the proof in that statement?

Logic.

There is no logic that makes that a valid statement. You have nothing to back it. Simply that if it's said long enough folks will start to believe it.

 

[unionmom]

MH, I believe the requirements will change for Eagle Scout to attract more membership, it will become easier because there will be many turning away from scouting.

Without a strong membership, the BSA is doomed. There are thousands of parents that will just pull their boys out of the program and the churches will no longer charter units.

Yes, he can earn the rank but it won't be the same as it was before this decision.

I think there are more people that are accepting of people being different, than aren't and you might see a membership drop at first, but look at all the people that avoided it because of their stance. I do not believe that you will see a decline in membership for long.

Many churches have gay members, why would they care if a troop met there and scouts or leaders were gay? To me that makes no sense. :dunno

Who? Where's the proof in that statement?

I personally know of at least 3 families that have avoided BSA because of their stance on gays.

 

[unionmom]

Our son's previous pack/troop had their initial meeting to get people to join at the school, but the meetings were held at the scout hut. They were not connected to a church.

Who held their charter?

 

[naturegirl]

BSA had effectively transferred this issue to religious institutions, they are not going to take this responsibility...........BSA just pushed it down the road and that's sad. If there are few chartered organizations where are the boys going to meet?? Are parents willing to drive 10-15 miles once a week for a 1 hour scout meeting??

Do all troops meet at churches? What about schools? What about the churches that are more accepting of different lifestyles?

I used to drive my sister across town for Brownies/Girl Scouts. :dunno

Our son's previous pack/troop had their initial meeting to get people to join at the school, but the meetings were held at the scout hut. They were not connected to a church.

That unit does hold it's own charter, I'm very familiar with them and the committee of that unit. While they are not connected to a church, the committee is strongly rooted in church and community. The Cubmaster/Scoutmaster falls to the direction of the committee.

 

[ShoeDiva]

MH, I believe the requirements will change for Eagle Scout to attract more membership, it will become easier because there will be many turning away from scouting.

Without a strong membership, the BSA is doomed. There are thousands of parents that will just pull their boys out of the program and the churches will no longer charter units.

Yes, he can earn the rank but it won't be the same as it was before this decision.

I think there are more people that are accepting of people being different, than aren't and you might see a membership drop at first, but look at all the people that avoided it because of their stance. I do not believe that you will see a decline in membership for long.

Many churches have gay members, why would they care if a troop met there and scouts or leaders were gay? To me that makes no sense. :dunno

Who? Where's the proof in that statement?

Logic.

There is no logic that makes that a valid statement. You have nothing to back it. Simply that if it's said long enough folks will start to believe it.

First of all there was a paragraph after that. I have not a clue to where it went!!!

Second I believe just in this thread it was mentioned that people did not go because of it, and pretty much every article you read states instances of people being offended or put off by the gay ban.

I am not going to pull articles, but after the big bruh ha ha when money was pulled thousands of articles and pieces could be found of people disagreeing with the ban. (again the same amount agreeing) Logically I would be led to believe while some will leave others will now join because of the ban being lifted.

 

[unionmom]

That unit does hold it's own charter...

I didn't know that was doable. Cool.

 

[naturegirl]

That unit does hold it's own charter...

I didn't know that was doable. Cool.

It's not anymore, it was grandfathered in.

 

[MamaHog]

Our son's previous pack/troop had their initial meeting to get people to join at the school, but the meetings were held at the scout hut. They were not connected to a church.

Who held their charter?

They hold their own.

 

[Foxmeister]

I agree with NG; this was a financial decision and not one made on its principles. They caved. BSA is a private organization that depended upon fundraisers and donations from organizations and businesses to survive. Any of organization that opposed BSA's position of not allowing gays to participate were free to start their own type of program that would allow gays to belong.

Even the federal government attempted to harm BSA by prohibiting them the use of federal owned land; land they used to allow them to use for special events.

So now these organizations have won with the BSA decision to allow gays by harming them financially. What organization will they attack next?

 

[unionmom]

So if BSA made this decision for money, money needed to stay alive, isn't that a good thing overall? That means that the program will continue to be there for the boys. Should they have let the program die for lack of funding?

 

[naturegirl]

I agree with NG; this was a financial decision and not one made on its principles. They caved. BSA is a private organization that depended upon fundraisers and donations from organizations and businesses to survive. Any of organization that opposed BSA's position of not allowing gays to participate were free to start their own type of program that would allow gays to belong.

Even the federal government attempted to harm BSA by prohibiting them the use of federal owned land; land they used to allow them to use for special events.

So now these organizations have won with the BSA decision to allow gays by harming them financially. What organization will they attack next?

Yes, it's all about the money.............they are already going after churches with Obamacare. As I said in another thread, be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

 

[naturegirl]

So if BSA made this decision for money, money needed to stay alive, isn't that a good thing overall? That means that the program will continue to be there for the boys. Should they have let the program die for lack of funding?

There was plenty of funding from organizations that applauded them for holding on to their values, they wanted more. Should we let the program die for lack of membership?

Why don't the girl scouts let boys in their organization??? Better yet, how many boys do you know that want to be girl scouts? The programs are very similar.

 

[unionmom]

So if BSA made this decision for money, money needed to stay alive, isn't that a good thing overall? That means that the program will continue to be there for the boys. Should they have let the program die for lack of funding?

There was plenty of funding from organizations that applauded them for holding on to their values, they wanted more. Should we let the program die for lack of membership?

Why don't the girl scouts let boys in their organization???

You're assuming that the program will die for lack of membership and I just do not see that. It will be what the community wants it to be. Where they wants gays, they will have them. Where they don't, they won't.

 

[naturegirl]

So if BSA made this decision for money, money needed to stay alive, isn't that a good thing overall? That means that the program will continue to be there for the boys. Should they have let the program die for lack of funding?

There was plenty of funding from organizations that applauded them for holding on to their values, they wanted more. Should we let the program die for lack of membership?

Why don't the girl scouts let boys in their organization???

You're assuming that the program will die for lack of membership and I just do not see that. It will be what the community wants it to be. Where they wants gays, they will have them. Where they don't, they won't.

You quoted me before my edit, how many boys want to be girl scouts?? The programs are very similar. Why wouldn't boys want to be girl scouts? There are girls in Boy Scouts.