Bruce Jenner Endorses Cruz, Wants To Be His "Trans Ambassador"

I look at it like this, I consider myself and autism advocate. If there was a candidate running that was not autism friendly, that I knew didn't support my cause, a candidate that might actually hurt my cause, as a self proclaimed ADVOCATE, I would look hypocritical supporting and voicing my support for that person. You guys are suggesting I'm saying something I'm not. Almost as if you are intentionally being obtuse. I FEEL Caitlyn Jenner is being hypocritical because we all know Ted Cruz does not support the LGBT movement. It's okay for you guys to disagree with me, really it is.
 
I look at it like this, I consider myself and autism advocate. If there was a candidate running that was not autism friendly, that I knew didn't support my cause, a candidate that might actually hurt my cause, as a self proclaimed ADVOCATE, I would look hypocritical supporting and voicing my support for that person. You guys are suggesting I'm saying something I'm not. Almost as if you are intentionally being obtuse. I FEEL Caitlyn Jenner is being hypocritical because we all know Ted Cruz does not support the LGBT movement. It's okay for you guys to disagree with me, really it is.

No, we don't all know he doesn't support "the movement". I haven't heard him say anything on the subject. You are assuming a lot of things based on your feelings and not on fact.
 
No, we don't all know he doesn't support "the movement". I haven't heard him say anything on the subject. You are assuming a lot of things based on your feelings and not on fact.
You haven't heard Ted Cruz speak of LGBT issues? I have, I watched an interview with him and Pat Robertson just last week. He has been very outspoken against gay marriage, which is a LGBT issue. I'm not assuming anything. I do my research before I come to the conclusions that I come to. I find it interesting that you are a Cruz supporter and you don't know the things he's talked about and said concerning these issues.

Anyhoo, now I know why I don't participate in the political section on this site more often.
 
Here's the thing...under our Constitution, individuals have rights. Not groups.

Trying to deny entire groups of rights (EX: denying black people or women of the right to vote), and more recently trying to entire groups special rights is part of what has done damage to our country.
 
Here's the thing...under our Constitution, individuals have rights. Not groups.

Trying to deny entire groups of rights (EX: denying black people or women of the right to vote), and more recently trying to entire groups special rights is part of what has done damage to our country.
Huh? What?
 
You haven't heard Ted Cruz speak of LGBT issues? I have, I watched an interview with him and Pat Robertson just last week. He has been very outspoken against gay marriage, which is a LGBT issue. I'm not assuming anything. I do my research before I come to the conclusions that I come to. I find it interesting that you are a Cruz supporter and you don't know the things he's talked about and said concerning these issues.

Anyhoo, now I know why I don't participate in the political section on this site more often.
I do not like Cruz, but I do like Jenner supporting what he feels best for the country and not just for him. If he feels Cruz (ick) would be best at this time even if that will not forward progress for the LGBT community I think that is to be respected. I also would hope that he would continue to speak out for other transgender people. I am aware of many in the community that do believe in being fiscally conservative but are socially liberal and because they feel that the fiscally conservative area is in dire straits they are voting R this time. They do not believe that D, though more friendly to them, is needed right now for our country as a whole.

I do understand your opinion though, and I can see why you feel that way.

Girl just keep talking here. I hardly agree with things and you see how many posts I have. :p
 
I look at it like this, I consider myself and autism advocate. If there was a candidate running that was not autism friendly, that I knew didn't support my cause, a candidate that might actually hurt my cause, as a self proclaimed ADVOCATE, I would look hypocritical supporting and voicing my support for that person. You guys are suggesting I'm saying something I'm not. Almost as if you are intentionally being obtuse. I FEEL Caitlyn Jenner is being hypocritical because we all know Ted Cruz does not support the LGBT movement. It's okay for you guys to disagree with me, really it is.
I see Jenner as a reluctant "advocate". His marriage to what would become the Kardashian brand thrust him into the spotlight. I get the feeling that he would have much rather have lived out his personal life away from the glare of that sun. That's why I find him a small " a" advocate and more a person who happens to be transgender and therefore not a hypocrite for considering other political, social, and fiscal realities beyond his/her own body. There are easier ways to get your own reality show :)
 
Here's the thing...under our Constitution, individuals have rights. Not groups.

Trying to deny entire groups of rights (EX: denying black people or women of the right to vote), and more recently trying to entire groups special rights is part of what has done damage to our country.
Makes perfect sense to me.

'Course, I understand the constitution.


Next time you are trying to be condescending you might first want to read your post to see what I was asking a question about. @Guard Dad
You might be missing a word or two.
Duh.
 
Next time you are trying to be condescending you might first want to read your post to see what I was asking a question about. @Guard Dad
You might be missing a word or two.
Duh.
I was not being condescending at all, and I wasn't responding to anyone in particular. Just stating fact.

People keep talking about rights for all kinds of groups. That isn't how it works under our constitution. And that's a good thing; otherwise some of the wrongs of the past would not have been righted.
 
I was not being condescending at all, and I wasn't responding to anyone in particular. Just stating fact.

People keep talking about rights for all kinds of groups. That isn't how it works under our constitution. And that's a good thing; otherwise some of the wrongs of the past would not have been righted.
You are still missing word(s) in your statement and you quoted me. Fact.
 
You are still missing word(s) in your statement and you quoted me. Fact.
I wasn't responding to anyone in particular in my original statement that rights are given to individuals. The one that you responded "huh, what" to.

As for missing words in my statement; I think you've :drink: too much tonight. My statement was crystal clear.
 
I wasn't responding to anyone in particular in my original statement that rights are given to individuals. The one that you responded "huh, what" to.

As for missing words in my statement; I think you've :drink: too much tonight. My statement was crystal clear.

I did not have anything to drink and you statement is not crystal clear.

Here's the thing...under our Constitution, individuals have rights. Not groups.

Trying to deny entire groups of rights (EX: denying black people or women of the right to vote), and more recently trying to entire groups special rights is part of what has done damage to our country.

Trying to deny entire group of rights, and more recently trying to entire groups special rights.....

Does that make sense? No it does not.

Trying what to entire groups special rights? GIVE? TAKE AWAY? What?

You can say you were not being condescending, but by stating, " 'Course I know the Constitution." after stating your opinion (that is missing a word) and someone asking about that opinion (missing a word) does appear to be insinuating that your opinion means more than someones opinion or question because you know and they do not know the constitution.

(though I will give you the small fact that it is true that individuals have rights, but I do not think that is in question to this whole back and forth :confused:)
 
You haven't heard Ted Cruz speak of LGBT issues? I have, I watched an interview with him and Pat Robertson just last week. He has been very outspoken against gay marriage, which is a LGBT issue. I'm not assuming anything. I do my research before I come to the conclusions that I come to. I find it interesting that you are a Cruz supporter and you don't know the things he's talked about and said concerning these issues.

Anyhoo, now I know why I don't participate in the political section on this site more often.



Gay marriage is settled law.

Cruz will uphold the Constitution.

Are you sure that Jenner is gay ? ? ?


o_O
 
Gay marriage is settled law.

Cruz will uphold the Constitution.

Are you sure that Jenner is gay ? ? ?


o_O

Just as abortion is settled law, I believe neither Cruz nor Trump will go on a crusade to overturn them. Mainly because it would require a fight that would consume every moment of their entire two terms (if re-elected). And then in a society that is constantly devolving, it would be a useless endeavor. However, a president is entitled to their personal beliefs. Everyone has personal beliefs, either liberal, conservative, worldly or Christian. Even non-belief is a personal belief in itself. There's no getting around that.
 
I did not have anything to drink and you statement is not crystal clear.



Trying to deny entire group of rights, and more recently trying to entire groups special rights.....

Does that make sense? No it does not.

Trying what to entire groups special rights? GIVE? TAKE AWAY? What?

You can say you were not being condescending, but by stating, " 'Course I know the Constitution." after stating your opinion (that is missing a word) and someone asking about that opinion (missing a word) does appear to be insinuating that your opinion means more than someones opinion or question because you know and they do not know the constitution.

(though I will give you the small fact that it is true that individuals have rights, but I do not think that is in question to this whole back and forth :confused:)
Yes, it makes sense.

In the past, this country has denied entire groups of rights, which violated their individual rights. Not allowing women to vote is an example of that.

Making same-sex marriage legal on the federal on the federal level is an example of giving a group special rights. I'll explain...

First off...just because you have a right does not mean that it isn't subject to regulation. The First Amendment gives all individuals the right to of free speech and to peacefully assemble; but that doesn't mean government can't place certain regulations on it such as requiring a permit for marches or demonstrations. Free speech does not give you the right to liable someone. Also, our individual rights do not allow us to deny or restrict another person's rights. An example of this happening would be if you were holding a demonstration to protest my line of sexy thongs and it blocked me from getting to my home.

Marriage was ruled a right some years ago by a federal court. That ruling could be challenged by the higher court, but as far as I know it was not. But even if it is a right under our constitution, the states had the authority to regulate it so long as the regulations did not deny individual rights. Basically, that meant every one had the right to marry. The equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment guaranteed that any regulations must apply equally to all. Some of the regulations (varying from state to state) were age limits, limits on marrying blood relatives, and of course some states not allowing marriage to a person of the same sex.

So prior to the SCOTUS ruling on SSM, every one of us had the right to marry, subject to regulations by the states that applied equally to all. So to be accurate; a gay person had the same right to marry that you or I did, and was subject to the same regulations. By ruling as they did, the SCOTUS gave homosexuals special rights, in that they overruled just the state regulations that applied to that group. The ruling did not enforce an individual right, it created a new group right.

Scalia was absolutely correct in his dissent, if not a bit grouchy in his demeanor. There was nothing in the constitution that gave the court authority to essentially create a new right, and there is actually some potential danger in doing what they did, that the ruling will be further used as precedent for more special rights. In a statement he made regarding congress well before the court took the case up, and I'm paraphrasing; If you want same-sex to be legal, then pas a law making it legal. But the Constitution doesn't say anything about it. He was absolutely right.

So regardless of whether you are for or against same-sex marriage, and I really don't care which way you feel about it; the ruling was an overreach by the Supreme Court. It was made a clear case of justices using their personal agendas to essentially create a new right.
 
You cited Cruz's personal opposition to gay marriage as a reason Jenner should not support him...

I am a long time supporter of gay marriage and I voted for Ted Cruz.
No, no I didn't. Madea suggested that I don't know where Ted Cruz stands on the LGBT issues. She said she has never seen him speak on the subject. I thought that was weird because I've seen him speak about it several times and I'm not even a supporter of his, just a person who likes to stay informed. Jenner can support whoever she wants, I never said she couldn't. Ever. I simply said it seems hypocritical given her advocate status.
 
Cruz personally opposes same-sex marriage, same as a lot of people do.

Most republicans and some Democrats also oppose abortion. But it's still legal. Our elected officials can't override a Supreme Court decision. Some argue that a president can stack the court and get the decision overturned; but no single president gets to appoint that many justices, and the next guy usually appoints justices of the opposite beliefs, effectively cancelling out any shift in ideology.

The only real way to change the abortion or same-sex marriage laws now is by constitutional amendment. And that would never get through congress, or likely be ratified by the states.
 
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