A couple of thoughts I have

naturegirl said:
ShoeDiva said:
Grey Colson said:
As Christians, one of the guides to set our behavior by is God's Word. The other would be the holy spirit that lives within us and guides us. Regarding His Word, it's not that complicated in my view. If it is flawed in any form, it is no good or worth the paper it is written on. It is either God's Word or it is not. If it is to be believed that God didn't mean what He clearly stated regarding homosexual activity as being "sin", then you can't count on the Bible for anything else that it claims or proclaims.

That being said, when questions are asked of people, such as those regarding this subject, you can't expect everyone to agree with your personal point of view. Of course sin is sin and I believe God loves all and will forgive if we repent. If you ask me if gay people can go to heaven, I would say YES, of course, but selecting portions of the Bible to dismiss as "misinterpreted" for our own purposes or to make us feel better about ourselves doesn't cut it.

The Bible further states that the preaching of the Gospel would be viewed as "foolisness" by the world. That is proven to be accurate every day and it is to be expected. If people feel better about themselves by supporting the gay lifestyle, that's a free and personal choice, but keep this in mind. Just as many are accepted for their lifestyle, the same acceptance should be shown to other's opinions on the subject if we are to maintain our attitude of tolerance.
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There are different interpretations of different scripture and God's word in every religion. Just saying.
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I think most Christian religions disapprove of homosexual behavior. I find it interesting that most Protestants (my youthful church) believe thinking about "forbidden fruit" is in itself a sin while Catholics only view it as a sin if it's acted on. I was raised in a Methodist church but spent many a Sunday Mass in the Catholic churches of my friends. I find exploring different religions provoking.

Here's an interesting article, while I understand it's not the only "Catholic view", it is in fact interesting. I'm hoping Jen will chime in here and give us some of her insight on her perceptions since I understand she left the Catholic church for a while but returned after several years in the Baptist faith. I'd really like to hear her input.



Every human being is called to receive a gift of divine sonship, to become a child of God by grace. However, to receive this gift, we must reject sin, including homosexual behavior—that is, acts intended to arouse or stimulate a sexual response regarding a person of the same sex. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law.

Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.
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http://www.catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality
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Hi! Thanks for inviting me to post in this thread! :love Catholics would consider it a sin to willfully engage in thoughts about this desire. The desire itself is not a sin, but only to the extent that it is not invited or entertained.
 
Hi All!

I enjoyed reading this thread, and the thing I would like to add is that scripture, the perennial teachings of the Church, theology, natural law, and even medicine and the social sciences (when they're being honest) work together to show us that the sexual union is for a heterosexual couple, open to new human life, who have made a lifetime commitment to each other in marriage. Any and every other sexual experience falls short of that.

Sex is about both procreation and the lifetime bond of love. When you separate these two things, and make it about pleasure alone, you get into a quagmire of logic. You ask, "Why is Biff and Muffy's sterile pleasure (made possible by contraceptives, devices, surgery, etc.) more holy than Adam and Steve's intrinsically sterile pleasure? That can end up being a tough question to answer, and in the end we throw up our hands, not wanting to be judgmental.

Drawing the line at marriage between a man and woman who are open to life gives you an argument which is fair to all because it is based in logic, not feelings.
 
naturegirl said:
Hey Jen!! We've missed you :love

Thanks so much for your input!!
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Thanks! I have missed you all, too! :love :love I guess this thread's about dead by now, but there's my Council of Trent-style take on it for what it's worth... :)) :))
 
Genevieve said:
Hi All!

I enjoyed reading this thread, and the thing I would like to add is that scripture, the perennial teachings of the Church, theology, natural law, and even medicine and the social sciences (when they're being honest) work together to show us that the sexual union is for a heterosexual couple, open to new human life, who have made a lifetime commitment to each other in marriage. Any and every other sexual experience falls short of that.

Sex is about both procreation and the lifetime bond of love. When you separate these two things, and make it about pleasure alone, you get into a quagmire of logic. You ask, "Why is Biff and Muffy's sterile pleasure (made possible by contraceptives, devices, surgery, etc.) more holy than Adam and Steve's intrinsically sterile pleasure? That can end up being a tough question to answer, and in the end we throw up our hands, not wanting to be judgmental.

Drawing the line at marriage between a man and woman who are open to life gives you an argument which is fair to all because it is based in logic, not feelings.
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It's always good to see you Gen, er.....I mean, read your posts 8)
 
Thanks, GC! I'm still kicking myself for having missed the book signing near Thanksgiving time! I was planning to go to Mass and then come by the bookstore which was on the way home, but then everything got discombobulated that day and I wasn't able to go to Mass so, consequently, I never passed the bookstore...

Are you planning any more readings or anything like that in the future, and how's your book doing anyway?
 
Genevieve said:
Thanks, GC! I'm still kicking myself for having missed the book signing near Thanksgiving time! I was planning to go to Mass and then come by the bookstore which was on the way home, but then everything got discombobulated that day and I wasn't able to go to Mass so, consequently, I never passed the bookstore...

Are you planning any more readings or anything like that in the future, and how's your book doing anyway?
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Thanks Dear Gen. I would say the book is doing better than expected with 5 star reviews and sales. It's not a best seller, but I'm not complaining. The next signing is the first Saturday in June at the Douglas County main library. Maybe I'll see you then. ;D
 
Grey Colson said:
Genevieve said:
Thanks, GC! I'm still kicking myself for having missed the book signing near Thanksgiving time! I was planning to go to Mass and then come by the bookstore which was on the way home, but then everything got discombobulated that day and I wasn't able to go to Mass so, consequently, I never passed the bookstore...

Are you planning any more readings or anything like that in the future, and how's your book doing anyway?
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Thanks Dear Gen. I would say the book is doing better than expected with 5 star reviews and sales. It's not a best seller, but I'm not complaining. The next signing is the first Saturday in June at the Douglas County main library. Maybe I'll see you then. ;D
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Five star reviews!!! Wow! No complaints there! Oh boy, I hope I can make it in June!
 
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