A couple of thoughts I have

[naturegirl]

Perhaps I missed it, perhaps I misunderstood but where in the Bible does it condone homosexuality. Where is the scripture?

 

[ShoeDiva]

Here's what this stuff boils down to:

It doesn't even matter what we humans think about it and us agreeing with it or not doesn't make a hill of beans in eternity.

What is being suggested in these threads are that those who do not agree with gays or those who support them mock, ridicule, slander and openly condemn them for their lifestyle. Unless anyone can provide evidence or examples of such behavior by anyone in this online community, these conversations serve no purpose.

Less so than farting and thongs and numerous other things discussed? SMH

So, what goal is being pursued? Getting everyone to change their hearts and minds about this subject? If it works, let's get that zipper head teenager who is currently running a muck in Korea a call

To make people think. I know, that's something that isn't encouraged by some folks around here, but it does happen...

I am only on my third cup of coffee. This thinking thing so early is rough. )

 

[Grey Colson]

Here's what this stuff boils down to:

It doesn't even matter what we humans think about it and us agreeing with it or not doesn't make a hill of beans in eternity.

What is being suggested in these threads are that those who do not agree with gays or those who support them mock, ridicule, slander and openly condemn them for their lifestyle. Unless anyone can provide evidence or examples of such behavior by anyone in this online community, these conversations serve no purpose.

Less so than farting and thongs and numerous other things discussed? SMH

So, what goal is being pursued? Getting everyone to change their hearts and minds about this subject? If it works, let's get that zipper head teenager who is currently running a muck in Korea a call

To make people think. I know, that's something that isn't encouraged by some folks around here, but it does happen...

Hard to NOT think about it when it's the main topic in America 24/7. That and disarming the second amendment. People need to think alright....think of better ways to bring this nation back to God before He completely turns his back on us.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Here's what this stuff boils down to:

It doesn't even matter what we humans think about it and us agreeing with it or not doesn't make a hill of beans in eternity.

What is being suggested in these threads are that those who do not agree with gays or those who support them mock, ridicule, slander and openly condemn them for their lifestyle. Unless anyone can provide evidence or examples of such behavior by anyone in this online community, these conversations serve no purpose.

Less so than farting and thongs and numerous other things discussed? SMH

So, what goal is being pursued? Getting everyone to change their hearts and minds about this subject? If it works, let's get that zipper head teenager who is currently running a muck in Korea a call

To make people think. I know, that's something that isn't encouraged by some folks around here, but it does happen...

Hard to NOT think about it when it's the main topic in America 24/7. That and disarming the second amendment. People need to think alright....think of better ways to bring this nation back to God before He completely turns his back on us.

Okay, so we are and have been discussing two major stories. Good point, we will continue.

 

[Guard Dad]

temptation

As Christians, one of the guides to set our behavior by is God's Word. The other would be the holy spirit that lives within us and guides us. Regarding His Word, it's not that complicated in my view. If it is flawed in any form, it is no good or worth the paper it is written on. It is either God's Word or it is not. If it is to be believed that God didn't mean what He clearly stated regarding homosexual activity as being "sin", then you can't count on the Bible for anything else that it claims or proclaims.

That being said, when questions are asked of people, such as those regarding this subject, you can't expect everyone to agree with your personal point of view. Of course sin is sin and I believe God loves all and will forgive if we repent. If you ask me if gay people can go to heaven, I would say YES, of course, but selecting portions of the Bible to dismiss as "misinterpreted" for our own purposes or to make us feel better about ourselves doesn't cut it.

The Bible further states that the preaching of the Gospel would be viewed as "foolisness" by the world. That is proven to be accurate every day and it is to be expected. If people feel better about themselves by supporting the gay lifestyle, that's a free and personal choice, but keep this in mind. Just as many are accepted for their lifestyle, the same acceptance should be shown to other's opinions on the subject if we are to maintain our attitude of tolerance.

There are different interpretations of different scripture and God's word in every religion. Just saying.

Please feel free to share how there could be "different interpretations" on the scriptures regarding homosexual behavior and the Catholic church's viewpoint.

No, but thanks for asking.

My point, here and in numerous threads where people believe they are right and others are wrong because God says so, bothers me because numerous times I do not believe what they say. It is not what I was taught specific scripture meant. That is across the board in different religions Madea. We all have different beliefs and thoughts of what was being said and that is my point. It is not just homosexuality, it is all things.

Like Baptists who believe that drinking is a sin.

Actually, "drunkenness" is a sin. Not drinking in itself, but to the extent that would would make one susceptible to temptation or otherwise cause problems.

 

[LisaC]

Here's what this stuff boils down to:

It doesn't even matter what we humans think about it and us agreeing with it or not doesn't make a hill of beans in eternity.

What is being suggested in these threads are that those who do not agree with gays or those who support them mock, ridicule, slander and openly condemn them for their lifestyle. Unless anyone can provide evidence or examples of such behavior by anyone in this online community, these conversations serve no purpose.

Less so than farting and thongs and numerous other things discussed? SMH

So, what goal is being pursued? Getting everyone to change their hearts and minds about this subject? If it works, let's get that zipper head teenager who is currently running a muck in Korea a call

To make people think. I know, that's something that isn't encouraged by some folks around here, but it does happen...

Hard to NOT think about it when it's the main topic in America 24/7. That and disarming the second amendment. People need to think alright....think of better ways to bring this nation back to God before He completely turns his back on us.

They could start by loving each other, regardless of their differences. :whistle

I'll even throw in a little scripture to help some folks out:

"But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward in heaven will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men." Luke 6:35


"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." John 13:34-35

"Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law." Romans 13:8

 

[Guard Dad]

Here's what this stuff boils down to:

It doesn't even matter what we humans think about it and us agreeing with it or not doesn't make a hill of beans in eternity.

What is being suggested in these threads are that those who do not agree with gays or those who support them mock, ridicule, slander and openly condemn them for their lifestyle. Unless anyone can provide evidence or examples of such behavior by anyone in this online community, these conversations serve no purpose.

Less so than farting and thongs and numerous other things discussed? SMH

So, what goal is being pursued? Getting everyone to change their hearts and minds about this subject? If it works, let's get that zipper head teenager who is currently running a muck in Korea a call

To make people think. I know, that's something that isn't encouraged by some folks around here, but it does happen...

That's just silly. We just prefer to do it without being called names or insulted. Otherwise, there's another site we could go to (not naming any names)

 

[LisaC]

temptation

As Christians, one of the guides to set our behavior by is God's Word. The other would be the holy spirit that lives within us and guides us. Regarding His Word, it's not that complicated in my view. If it is flawed in any form, it is no good or worth the paper it is written on. It is either God's Word or it is not. If it is to be believed that God didn't mean what He clearly stated regarding homosexual activity as being "sin", then you can't count on the Bible for anything else that it claims or proclaims.

That being said, when questions are asked of people, such as those regarding this subject, you can't expect everyone to agree with your personal point of view. Of course sin is sin and I believe God loves all and will forgive if we repent. If you ask me if gay people can go to heaven, I would say YES, of course, but selecting portions of the Bible to dismiss as "misinterpreted" for our own purposes or to make us feel better about ourselves doesn't cut it.

The Bible further states that the preaching of the Gospel would be viewed as "foolisness" by the world. That is proven to be accurate every day and it is to be expected. If people feel better about themselves by supporting the gay lifestyle, that's a free and personal choice, but keep this in mind. Just as many are accepted for their lifestyle, the same acceptance should be shown to other's opinions on the subject if we are to maintain our attitude of tolerance.

There are different interpretations of different scripture and God's word in every religion. Just saying.

Please feel free to share how there could be "different interpretations" on the scriptures regarding homosexual behavior and the Catholic church's viewpoint.

No, but thanks for asking.

My point, here and in numerous threads where people believe they are right and others are wrong because God says so, bothers me because numerous times I do not believe what they say. It is not what I was taught specific scripture meant. That is across the board in different religions Madea. We all have different beliefs and thoughts of what was being said and that is my point. It is not just homosexuality, it is all things.

Like Baptists who believe that drinking is a sin.

Actually, "drunkenness" is a sin. Not drinking in itself, but to the extent that would would make one susceptible to temptation or otherwise cause problems.

That is what the Bible says. BUT, you will be hard-pressed to find a Southern Baptist preacher who will tell you that it's okay to drink.

 

[LisaC]

Here's what this stuff boils down to:

It doesn't even matter what we humans think about it and us agreeing with it or not doesn't make a hill of beans in eternity.

What is being suggested in these threads are that those who do not agree with gays or those who support them mock, ridicule, slander and openly condemn them for their lifestyle. Unless anyone can provide evidence or examples of such behavior by anyone in this online community, these conversations serve no purpose.

Less so than farting and thongs and numerous other things discussed? SMH

So, what goal is being pursued? Getting everyone to change their hearts and minds about this subject? If it works, let's get that zipper head teenager who is currently running a muck in Korea a call

To make people think. I know, that's something that isn't encouraged by some folks around here, but it does happen...

That's just silly. We just prefer to do it without being called names or insulted. Otherwise, there's another site we could go to (not naming any names)

Please don't suggest that I stop insulting you. People might think I actually like you or something... eeeewwwwwwwwww!!!!!

 

[Guard Dad]

Here's what this stuff boils down to:

It doesn't even matter what we humans think about it and us agreeing with it or not doesn't make a hill of beans in eternity.

What is being suggested in these threads are that those who do not agree with gays or those who support them mock, ridicule, slander and openly condemn them for their lifestyle. Unless anyone can provide evidence or examples of such behavior by anyone in this online community, these conversations serve no purpose.

Less so than farting and thongs and numerous other things discussed? SMH

So, what goal is being pursued? Getting everyone to change their hearts and minds about this subject? If it works, let's get that zipper head teenager who is currently running a muck in Korea a call

To make people think. I know, that's something that isn't encouraged by some folks around here, but it does happen...

That's just silly. We just prefer to do it without being called names or insulted. Otherwise, there's another site we could go to (not naming any names)

Please don't suggest that I stop insulting you. People might think I actually like you or something... eeeewwwwwwwwww!!!!!

Admit it, I am your idol.

I wasn't referring to us kidding around, BTW.

P.S., You are a poopyhead.

 

[LisaC]

Here's what this stuff boils down to:

It doesn't even matter what we humans think about it and us agreeing with it or not doesn't make a hill of beans in eternity.

What is being suggested in these threads are that those who do not agree with gays or those who support them mock, ridicule, slander and openly condemn them for their lifestyle. Unless anyone can provide evidence or examples of such behavior by anyone in this online community, these conversations serve no purpose.

Less so than farting and thongs and numerous other things discussed? SMH

So, what goal is being pursued? Getting everyone to change their hearts and minds about this subject? If it works, let's get that zipper head teenager who is currently running a muck in Korea a call

To make people think. I know, that's something that isn't encouraged by some folks around here, but it does happen...

That's just silly. We just prefer to do it without being called names or insulted. Otherwise, there's another site we could go to (not naming any names)

Please don't suggest that I stop insulting you. People might think I actually like you or something... eeeewwwwwwwwww!!!!!

Admit it, I am your idol.

I wasn't referring to us kidding around, BTW.

P.S., You are a poopyhead.

Well, we know you drink....

 

[Guard Dad]

temptation

As Christians, one of the guides to set our behavior by is God's Word. The other would be the holy spirit that lives within us and guides us. Regarding His Word, it's not that complicated in my view. If it is flawed in any form, it is no good or worth the paper it is written on. It is either God's Word or it is not. If it is to be believed that God didn't mean what He clearly stated regarding homosexual activity as being "sin", then you can't count on the Bible for anything else that it claims or proclaims.

That being said, when questions are asked of people, such as those regarding this subject, you can't expect everyone to agree with your personal point of view. Of course sin is sin and I believe God loves all and will forgive if we repent. If you ask me if gay people can go to heaven, I would say YES, of course, but selecting portions of the Bible to dismiss as "misinterpreted" for our own purposes or to make us feel better about ourselves doesn't cut it.

The Bible further states that the preaching of the Gospel would be viewed as "foolisness" by the world. That is proven to be accurate every day and it is to be expected. If people feel better about themselves by supporting the gay lifestyle, that's a free and personal choice, but keep this in mind. Just as many are accepted for their lifestyle, the same acceptance should be shown to other's opinions on the subject if we are to maintain our attitude of tolerance.

There are different interpretations of different scripture and God's word in every religion. Just saying.

Please feel free to share how there could be "different interpretations" on the scriptures regarding homosexual behavior and the Catholic church's viewpoint.

No, but thanks for asking.

My point, here and in numerous threads where people believe they are right and others are wrong because God says so, bothers me because numerous times I do not believe what they say. It is not what I was taught specific scripture meant. That is across the board in different religions Madea. We all have different beliefs and thoughts of what was being said and that is my point. It is not just homosexuality, it is all things.

Like Baptists who believe that drinking is a sin.

Actually, "drunkenness" is a sin. Not drinking in itself, but to the extent that would would make one susceptible to temptation or otherwise cause problems.

That is what the Bible says. BUT, you will be hard-pressed to find a Southern Baptist preacher who will tell you that it's okay to drink.

As was mentioned above; we should make anything we are told about The Bible pass the muster of God's word.

 

[Guard Dad]

Here's what this stuff boils down to:

It doesn't even matter what we humans think about it and us agreeing with it or not doesn't make a hill of beans in eternity.

What is being suggested in these threads are that those who do not agree with gays or those who support them mock, ridicule, slander and openly condemn them for their lifestyle. Unless anyone can provide evidence or examples of such behavior by anyone in this online community, these conversations serve no purpose.

Less so than farting and thongs and numerous other things discussed? SMH

So, what goal is being pursued? Getting everyone to change their hearts and minds about this subject? If it works, let's get that zipper head teenager who is currently running a muck in Korea a call

To make people think. I know, that's something that isn't encouraged by some folks around here, but it does happen...

That's just silly. We just prefer to do it without being called names or insulted. Otherwise, there's another site we could go to (not naming any names)

Please don't suggest that I stop insulting you. People might think I actually like you or something... eeeewwwwwwwwww!!!!!

Admit it, I am your idol.

I wasn't referring to us kidding around, BTW.

P.S., You are a poopyhead.

Well, we know you drink....

A little.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Re: Re: A couple of thoughts I have

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;

who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;"

(Isaiah 5:20)

"Woe to those who are wise in their OWN eyes and clever in their OWN sight." Isaiah 5:21

Exactly! A perfect scripture for the theme of this whole conversation!

 

[LisaC]

Re: Re: A couple of thoughts I have

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;

who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;"

(Isaiah 5:20)

"Woe to those who are wise in their OWN eyes and clever in their OWN sight." Isaiah 5:21

Exactly! A perfect scripture for the theme of this whole conversation!

And something that probably ALL of us are guilty of at times on this board.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Re: Re: A couple of thoughts I have

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;

who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;"

(Isaiah 5:20)

"Woe to those who are wise in their OWN eyes and clever in their OWN sight." Isaiah 5:21

Exactly! A perfect scripture for the theme of this whole conversation!

And something that probably ALL of us are guilty of at times on this board.

:agreed

 

[Blazing Saddles]

And, when we realize we are wrong or guilty of something we must repent or turn away from the behavior. It is by these actions that we restore our fellowship with God. Without doing this, we start to rely on our own interpretation of things and make it harder to hear God's convictions fron the Holy Spirit and we also can't continue to interpret Scripture the right way. Nobody is exempt from this process.

 

[naturegirl]

As Christians, one of the guides to set our behavior by is God's Word. The other would be the holy spirit that lives within us and guides us. Regarding His Word, it's not that complicated in my view. If it is flawed in any form, it is no good or worth the paper it is written on. It is either God's Word or it is not. If it is to be believed that God didn't mean what He clearly stated regarding homosexual activity as being "sin", then you can't count on the Bible for anything else that it claims or proclaims.

That being said, when questions are asked of people, such as those regarding this subject, you can't expect everyone to agree with your personal point of view. Of course sin is sin and I believe God loves all and will forgive if we repent. If you ask me if gay people can go to heaven, I would say YES, of course, but selecting portions of the Bible to dismiss as "misinterpreted" for our own purposes or to make us feel better about ourselves doesn't cut it.

The Bible further states that the preaching of the Gospel would be viewed as "foolisness" by the world. That is proven to be accurate every day and it is to be expected. If people feel better about themselves by supporting the gay lifestyle, that's a free and personal choice, but keep this in mind. Just as many are accepted for their lifestyle, the same acceptance should be shown to other's opinions on the subject if we are to maintain our attitude of tolerance.

There are different interpretations of different scripture and God's word in every religion. Just saying.

I think most Christian religions disapprove of homosexual behavior. I find it interesting that most Protestants (my youthful church) believe thinking about "forbidden fruit" is in itself a sin while Catholics only view it as a sin if it's acted on. I was raised in a Methodist church but spent many a Sunday Mass in the Catholic churches of my friends. I find exploring different religions provoking.

Here's an interesting article, while I understand it's not the only "Catholic view", it is in fact interesting. I'm hoping Jen will chime in here and give us some of her insight on her perceptions since I understand she left the Catholic church for a while but returned after several years in the Baptist faith. I'd really like to hear her input.

Every human being is called to receive a gift of divine sonship, to become a child of God by grace. However, to receive this gift, we must reject sin, including homosexual behavior—that is, acts intended to arouse or stimulate a sexual response regarding a person of the same sex. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law.

Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality

 

[ShoeDiva]

Just wanted to point out that I was not specifically speaking of homosexuality. I was speaking of the point that the word "clearly" was used. I believe that many different things (divorce, to become a deacon...just a couple we have spoke of here) are interpreted differently.

 

[J-man]

Another skip.