Can Social Acceptance Encourage Immorality?

jenilyn said:
It's gross and illegal. It's also gross to compare beastiality to same-sex marriage.
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jenilyn.....you're correct in saying it's illegal but so was homosexual marriage. Your response was identical to a majority of people concerning homo marriage a few years ago. You are in the same group now with marriage between siblings and parents. You can't say "yuck" when talking about that kind of marriage.

Also, I'm not equating homo marriage and bestiality. I'm using another form of sexual expression as a group deserving the same equal protection clause.

Now, can you let us know what you thing about daddy marrying his precious little girl? She could be a consenting 18 year old and quite capable of marrying her daddy.
 
Blazing Saddles said:
People forget that despising sin is a good thing. Sin is destructive. We've all experienced it and not just one time. It leads to decay and it leads to nothing but trouble. There's no arguing that point so why do people defend the practice of sin and other destructive behaviors? It's funny how they don't parent that way when you ask them but they're all PC when it comes to a public stance. It is LOVE that says no and not DO WHAT YOU WANT.

You can love the person but not advocate their sin. Allowing them to sin isn't a show of love.
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Not everyone is a Christian. Not everyone is religious. It's as simple as that.

Look, you kids have fun with this never ending discussion of homosexuality. I definitely won't be participating in any further discussions about it. It's pointless and I have some dinner I have to get in the Crock-Pot.
 
Blazing Saddles said:
jenilyn.....you're correct in saying it's illegal but so was homosexual marriage. Your response was identical to a majority of people concerning homo marriage a few years ago. You are in the same group now with marriage between siblings and parents. You can't say "yuck" when talking about that kind of marriage.

Also, I'm not equating homo marriage and bestiality. I'm using another form of sexual expression as a group deserving the same equal protection clause.

Now, can you let us know what you thing about daddy marrying his precious little girl? She could be a consenting 18 year old and quite capable of marrying her daddy.
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An eighteen-year-old consensual adult most likely brought up in an already incestuous situation. Most girls don't turn 18 and decide they want to marry their dad out of the blue. Have a good day.
 
jenilyn said:
Not everyone is a Christian. Not everyone is religious. It's as simple as that.

Look, you kids have fun with this never ending discussion of homosexuality. I definitely won't be participating in any further discussions about it. It's pointless and I have some dinner I have to get in the Crock-Pot.
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You don't have to be Christian to understand the word sin. You can substitute whatever term you'd like. Either way, the behavior is destructive.

Now before you have to leave, can you not answer my question concerning the other marriages? Mom and Son or Daddy and Daughter? I'm sure you don't want others to think your skipping out because you don't want to give an answer.
 
jenilyn said:
An eighteen-year-old consensual adult most likely brought up in an already incestuous situation. Most girls don't turn 18 and decide they want to marry their dad out of the blue. Have a good day.
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Some could argue that incest is just a moral that shouldn't be imposed as well. If there is a culture that thinks this is ok, then why shouldn't it be allowed?
 
I'm sorry if I am coming across to strong on anyone but I'm just pushing the envelope on the principle thinking that makes up morality. If you apply a constant on one type of behavior, then you must apply it across the board or you risk being inconsistent. That would be the same argument you are trying to defend in the first place.
 
Jen...if I'm coming across wrong to you, I apologize. I don't mean to be that way. I'm just pressing the issue with wording that may sound to direct but straight to the point. I don't want to leave a bad taste in your mouth surround any issue.
 
People with religious beliefs have the same right to those as another person has to not have them.

I don't think anyone here is advocating a theocracy. But it's perfectly alright to let our personal beliefs, whatever they are, guide us in arriving at our positions in matters such as these.
 
Guard Dad said:
People with religious beliefs have the same right to those as another person has to not have them.

I don't think anyone here is advocating a theocracy. But it's perfectly alright to let our personal beliefs, whatever they are, guide us in arriving at our positions in matters such as these.
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Agreed but I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise.
 
cptlo306 said:
Agreed but I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise.
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Well, some of you get uncomfortable when Christians mention the Bible in discussions like this. Just know that we're not trying to govern with the Bible, only letting it influence our personal beliefs.
 
Guard Dad said:
Well, some of you get uncomfortable when Christians mention the Bible in discussions like this. Just know that we're not trying to govern with the Bible, only letting it influence our personal beliefs.
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You're making an incorrect assumption. I've never said I wasn't a Christian. In fact, I am. Going back to an earlier post, I just believe in 'live and let live' for things that don't directly impact or take advantage of other people.
 
Guard Dad said:
Well, some of you get uncomfortable when Christians mention the Bible in discussions like this. Just know that we're not trying to govern with the Bible, only letting it influence our personal beliefs.
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I bet that argument won't go very far in Dearborn where they are trying to institute Sharia Law.
 
Guard Dad said:
Yes, but that's because the rights of black people were compromised by the original framers. Black people were only considered to be 3/5ths of a person.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Fifths_Compromise
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Actually only 3/5 ths of their population were to be counted, because the slaves were considered property. The nook slave holding states didn't want all of them counted because of the makeup of congress. This goes back to the Missouri comprise.
 
Blazing Saddles said:
You don't have to be Christian to understand the word sin. You can substitute whatever term you'd like. Either way, the behavior is destructive.

Now before you have to leave, can you not answer my question concerning the other marriages? Mom and Son or Daddy and Daughter? I'm sure you don't want others to think your skipping out because you don't want to give an answer.
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My point was that if a girl grows up and wants to marry her dad, the chances are great that there was already an inappropriate relationship going on prior to her turning 18. Same with a mom and son wanting to marry. Either physical or mental harm came of the child at some point to steer them in the direction of wanting to marry their parent. Harm has been done. That's not the same as two consenting people of the same sex wanting to get into a loving committed relationship. In my mind an incestuous relationship between a parent and child is not the same as a thoroughly consensual homosexual relationship. So that's my answer. I realize you seek consistency but in this situation it's not possible to be consistent because the two are not the same. As far as skipping out because I don't want to provide an answer, not a chance. Why would I hold a thought that I didn't want to admit to? If I thought it was okay for a mom and son to get married I would come right out and say so. I just have more important things to do then to sit around debating a subject that I'm not going to change my mind about with people who will never change their mind either.
 
jenilyn said:
My point was that if a girl grows up and wants to marry her dad, the chances are great that there was already an inappropriate relationship going on prior to her turning 18. Same with a mom and son wanting to marry.
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We need someone from Alabama to chime in and advise us on this. :D
 
cptlo306 said:
You're making an incorrect assumption. I've never said I wasn't a Christian. In fact, I am. Going back to an earlier post, I just believe in 'live and let live' for things that don't directly impact or take advantage of other people.
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In many things I don't have a problem with 'live and let live'. In many cases, the perception that no one can be harmed is accurate. But there are also some aspects of society that, if left unchecked, can have a effect down the road that may be unseen right now. In the instance of Homosexual marriage, it is the degradation of our society as a whole. The snatching away of marriage as an institution based on the Biblical definition of marriage and as its very origin will ultimately lead to more perceived "rights" being demanded.

How can we now deny the rights of men and women of consenting age to marry as many spouses as they choose? Or, as some have already mentioned, make it legal to marry within a person's own immediate family. When anyone speaks out against that, then they are the ones who will be labeled as being a bigot and judgmental and polygamy-phobic. As a civilized society, are there any lines that are acceptable of being drawn?
 
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