When Election Fraud is important and when it's not

Grey Colson

Grey Colson

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Obviously election fraud is only an important issue when a democrat looses and the Russian's are suspected of interfering.

And obviously election fraud is NOT important when dead people vote, people vote in multiple states or when illegals vote.

The Bigly difference between the two is that the first may have....MAY HAVE influenced a few votes where the latter has a DIRECT effect on vote totals.

They scoff when Trump suggests that he may have won the popular vote if a few million illegals had not voted or if votes had not been cast in the name of the dead or people had not voted in multiple states. Whether or not anyone believes the issue is relevant does not erase the fact that the activity literally occurs. If it did not occur, democrats would have absolutely NO problem with people showing identification to vote.

The democrats are the ones who have been moaning and groaning about an "illegitimate president" and fraudulent election, so they need to shut their pie hole when Trump makes a fact based statement about real voter fraud. By the governments own numbers, there are at least 11 million illegals in our nation and it is also a fact that many politicians have encouraged them to vote. YOU do the math!
 
Do you really think he has evidence of 3-5 million illegal votes or did he just make a statement to help his ego and now has to try to back it up with facts?

I have no doubt that voting fraud happens but I do have doubts about it being that big of an issue and him having proof of it at that level.
 
It's very possible extensive voter fraud existed in California with illegal immigrants showing up at the polls. I still can't understand why Democrats are so opposed to laws being implemented requiring voters to show ID to prove who they are.
 
cptlo306 said:
Do you really think he has evidence of 3-5 million illegal votes or did he just make a statement to help his ego and now has to try to back it up with facts?

I have no doubt that voting fraud happens but I do have doubts about it being that big of an issue and him having proof of it at that level.
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No, I don't believe he has proof of that, no more than the democrats have proof that it didn't happen. The democrats problem is that they still don't know who they are dealing with. Do they really want him to investigate and find out? They'll wish he hadn't.
 
Grey Colson said:
No, I don't believe he has proof of that, no more than the democrats have proof that it didn't happen. The democrats problem is that they still don't know who they are dealing with. Do they really want him to investigate and find out? They'll wish he hadn't.
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He made the statement so the burden is on him to prove it, not the democrats to prove that it didn't happen.

My opinion is he made a statement with no basis in provable facts to make himself look better. He may investigate and prove it to be true but that wasn't what was said.
 
cptlo306 said:
He made the statement so the burden is on him to prove it, not the democrats to prove that it didn't happen.

My opinion is he made a statement with no basis in provable facts to make himself look better. He may investigate and prove it to be true but that wasn't what was said.
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It's not a court of law and if the press disputes it so loudly, they are more than welcome to prove that voter fraud does not exist. I don't care if it's 10 or 100 or a million, it's high time that it's investigated and exposed and those participating are prosecuted.
 
Grey Colson said:
It's not a court of law and if the press disputes it so loudly, they are more than welcome to prove that voter fraud does not exist. I don't care if it's 10 or 100 or a million, it's high time that it's investigated and exposed and those participating are prosecuted.
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I agree that it should be investigated and prosecuted.

So you are OK with Trump making unproven statements as fact? Were you also OK when Obama did it?
 
cptlo306 said:
I agree that it should be investigated and prosecuted.

So you are OK with Trump making unproven statements as fact? Were you also OK when Obama did it?
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As Spicer said at the press conference yesterday, that has been his "belief" for a long time. Did you hear him say it was a fact? I didn't realize a president wasn't entitled to have an opinion or belief about an issue. I have had a "belief" for many years that voter fraud has been not only used, but encouraged by liberal politicians.

I forgot to add in one of my previous replies about wanting to make himself look good. I doubt there is much he could do to make him look any better due to the swift actions he has been taking in just the first few days to fix our country.
 
It's relevant to Trump because the popular vote numbers have been a tool to rally the morons. And he has good reason to believe he won the popular vote.

Democrats have fought voter ID laws for one reason, and that's fraudulent voting. And they've used that as a tool for years.

I hope he can find the proof. Then the crybabies can go home.
 
If he has anything beyond his own ego driven reason for making the statements, he would provide at least some of the info to not look stupid. Sadly, he makes these kinds of statements without thinking of the repercussions which now can be much higher since he is president.

I agree with all the comments about democrats fighting voter ID laws and promoting illegal voting.
 
cptlo306 said:
I agree that it should be investigated and prosecuted.

So you are OK with Trump making unproven statements as fact? Were you also OK when Obama did it?
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So, can you name one politician that doesn't? Or a main stream news media source from any network?
 
Winchester said:
So, can you name one politician that doesn't? Or a main stream news media source from any network?
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News media: Megyn Kelly :D

Seriously, yes, they all say stupid and unproven stuff. Did you give Obama grief for saying stupid unproven stuff? If so, do you have the same disdain for Trump when he does it or is it OK now?

And now that Trump is going to launch a "major investigation" into illegal votes, how much money will that cost that could be better spent elsewhere or, better yet, returned to taxpayers?
 
He's delusional.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-tells-abc-news-david-muir-alleged/story?id=45047764

During a surreal exchange, anchor David Muir grilled Trump over his continued spreading of the falsehood that millions of illegal ballots were cast in the 2016 election, which Trump had previously said was the reason for Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton beating him in the popular vote by 3 million ballots.

And Trump did not back away from his claim in the slightest.

"We're gonna launch an investigation to find out," Trump said, doubling down on his Wednesday-morning Twitter announcement. "And I will say this: Of those votes cast, none of 'em come to me. None of 'em come to me."

"They would all be for the other side," he continued. "None of 'em come to me."

Trump insisted that "we have a lot to look into" regarding dead individuals, undocumented immigrants, and voters registered in multiple states being on voter rolls.

"You have people that are registered, who are dead, who are illegals who are in two states," he said. "You have people registered in two states. They're registered in a New York and a New Jersey. They vote twice. There are millions of votes, in my opinion. Now, I'm gonna do an investigation."

Muir then engaged in a substantial back-and-forth, questioning Trump's rationale and basis for pursuing such an investigation.

"You're now president of the United States," Muir said. "When you say it's — "

Trump cut in.

"Well of course, and I want the voting process to be legitimate," he said.

"What I'm asking," Muir responded. "When you say in your opinion, millions of illegal votes — that is something that is extremely fundamental to our functioning democracy, a fair and free election."

"Sure," Trump replied.

"You say you're going to launch an investigation," Muir continued.

"Sure," Trump repeated. "Done."

Muir then said the basis of Trump's false assertions had been "debunked" and was "false."

"What you have presented so far has been debunked," Muir said. "It's been called false — "

"Take a look at the Pew reports," Trump said.

"I called the author of the Pew report last night and he told me that they found no evidence of voter fraud," Muir said.

"Really?" Trump asked. "Then why did he write the report?"

"He said no evidence of voter fraud," Muir repeated.

"Excuse me — then why did he write the report?" Trump asked.

He continued: "According to Pew report, then he's — then he's groveling again. You know, I always talk about the reporters — they grovel when they want to write something that you want to hear, but not necessarily millions of people want hear or have to hear."

The study that Trump was mentioning, which he repeatedly referred to late during the campaign, said 24 million voter registrations were no longer valid or were significantly inaccurate, more than 1.8 million dead people were listed as voters, and about 2.8 million people were registered in more than one state. The report, from 2012, did not claim that those people voted illegally in an election, as it was written as an argument for modernizing the US voting system.
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This is a prime example of one of Trump's big problems. He says stuff that takes the focus off other good stuff. He just can't help himself. He should be talking about the wall, jobs, etc.
 
lotstodo said:
We have serious crap to acomplish. Stroking Trump's ego over a meme isn't one of them
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Unlike liberals, Trump can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time. He has accomplished more in his first few days than any president I can recall in my lifetime. Talking about egos, the egos that have been bruised in this election are those who were never Trumpters and are now grasping at any straw available to recover any credibility they lost.

If the press says he shouldn't talk about crowd size, here's a suggestion, STOP asking and commenting about it. If people think he shouldn't comment about the popular vote number, then STOP running their mouth about it and how the electoral college is not fair. As my lovely and gracious wife often says, if you don't like my answer, then don't ask the question.
 
cptlo306 said:
Partisanship over common sense, I guess.
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I like to look at it more this way. My wife of 32 years has gotten under my skin a few times as I have hers, but she's just too wonderful and gorgeous to throw out, especially over trivial issues....such as this.
 
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