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Captain Rhett Butler

Captain Rhett Butler

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The 2035 Report from UC Berkeley uses the latest low renewable energy costs to show how the U.S. can reach 90% clean electricity by 2035.
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I've read through some of the materials on this link and find it interesting. Although it's from University of California-Berkeley, supposedly a top-tier public policy thinktank, I'm not convinced the climate impacts of gasoline powered engines will be catastrophic if we fail to switch away from gas powered vehicles to total electric by 2035.

Air pollution is real and causes health problems particularly in big cities, but the switch to totally electric cars is currently cost prohibitive for most families. Even a proposed tax credit to offset some of the higher costs isn't enough to be economically feasable. It's a catch 22. We need cleaner air, but at what cost can we afford it?
 
So if you do away with fossil fuels how do you make electricity to charge the cars?
Don't say solar as it still isn't good enough. Don't say water from the lakes to run generators,
as there is not enough to run houses and cars.
 
One thing I don't hear anyone talking about...once EVs start taking a significant market share and gasoline usage starts to drop considerably; what happens to gas prices? If it's a dying industry, the oil companies are not going to reinvest. Will pump prices go sky high? What is that going to do to the lower income people who are still driving gasoline vehicles?

What about long haul truckers and diesel locomotives? What will happen to those costs? Will that just fuel inflation even more and worsen the supply chain issues?

What about shipping by sea? I believe almost all those boats use diesel engines.

I have some real concerns about all this.
 
Guard Dad said:
One thing I don't hear anyone talking about...once EVs start taking a significant market share and gasoline usage starts to drop considerably; what happens to gas prices? If it's a dying industry, the oil companies are not going to reinvest. Will pump prices go sky high? What is that going to do to the lower income people who are still driving gasoline vehicles?

What about long haul truckers and diesel locomotives? What will happen to those costs? Will that just fuel inflation even more and worsen the supply chain issues?

What about shipping by sea? I believe almost all those boats use diesel engines.

I have some real concerns about all this.
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It's a pipe dream...at least for now anyway. I'm all for saving a tree, having greener grass, enjoying blue skies but I'm also for being realistic and knowing when a snake-oil salesman (see what I did) is trying to unload a cart of bull-hockey. I truly do believe that one day a cheap and efficient alternative energy source will be readily available, but it's not now and probably not even in 15 years unless there's a technology that has yet to be revealed to the public (wink wink).
 
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Guard Dad said:
One thing I don't hear anyone talking about...once EVs start taking a significant market share and gasoline usage starts to drop considerably; what happens to gas prices? If it's a dying industry, the oil companies are not going to reinvest. Will pump prices go sky high? What is that going to do to the lower income people who are still driving gasoline vehicles?

What about long haul truckers and diesel locomotives? What will happen to those costs? Will that just fuel inflation even more and worsen the supply chain issues?

What about shipping by sea? I believe almost all those boats use diesel engines.

I have some real concerns about all this.
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Yeah, and remember that Gas is only a small part of a barrel of oil. As long as and product of that barrel of oil is needed, gasoline is going to be produced. If fewer cars need it here, they may end up shipping it overseas, or gas prices will fall here.

For long haul, I just don't see anything replacing Diesel any time soon. Trucks, Trains, Ships, etc. Also don't forget the oil uses in the armed forces. I don't see an electric TANK being purchased by the army any time soon or an electric B-52 either. Navy has a lot of Nukes, but I think the smaller ships are all jet fuel turbines or diesel.

If we reduce only our Gasoline burn, China won't give a crap and will import all the cheap gas from us and laugh their butts off at the stupid Americans.
 
I also don't see how they can pull this off in 15 years, unless maybe the government throws trillions of tax dollars into infrastructure to support it. And it would still be a stretch.

EVs have come a long way lately, but they still can't travel long distances without time consuming stops for recharging, and that's if/when you can find a recharge station.

I may be very wrong, but I still don't believe the necessary technology to replace the I/C engine in any mass scale is here yet.
 
J-man said:
It's a pipe dream...at least for now anyway. I'm all for saving a tree, having greener grass, enjoying blue skies but I'm also for being realistic and knowing when a snake-oil salesman (see what I did) is trying to unload a cart of bull-hockey. I truly do believe that one day an cheap and efficient alternative energy source will be readily available, but it's not now and even in the 15 years unless there's a technology that has yet to be revealed to the public (wink wink).
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Exactly, they are jumping ahead without a new technology to get us there.

Everything in the 2035 Report boils down to throwing money at it.

Ironically 0BaMa did that with Solyndra and many other groups he chose... wasted money. They paid to turn seaweed into fuel... how much seaweed biofuel is moving our planes trains and automobiles 14 years later?

Most of this is a simple wealth redistribution. Our nation can't afford it, and to be honest Algore has been saying the seas will rise and wipe us out for decades, and yet here we still are. All the beaches I went to as a child are exactly where they were .

www.technocracy.news

Climate Alarmist Admits The Real Motive Behind Warming Scare: Redistribution of Wealth

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Guard Dad said:
There again, she can't have many years left.
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True. My friend who grew up in Melbourne, FL... her childhood house on the Atlantic is still there - no sea rise.

Climate change and the green energy is a political way for wealth distribution:

Last year, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, made a similar statement.

“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said in anticipation of last year’s Paris climate summit.

“This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.”

The plan is to allow Third World countries to emit as much carbon dioxide as they wish — because, as Edenhofer said, “in order to get rich one has to burn coal, oil or gas” — while at the same time restricting emissions in advanced nations. This will, of course, choke economic growth in developed nations, but they deserve that fate as they “have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community,” he said. The fanaticism runs so deep that one professor has even suggested that we need to plunge ourselves into a depression to fight global warming.

Perhaps Naomi Klein summed up best what the warming the fuss is all about in her book “This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. the Climate.”
www.technocracy.news

Climate Alarmist Admits The Real Motive Behind Warming Scare: Redistribution of Wealth

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EIA: Coal-Fired Power Generation Surges 22% In Past Year​


The share of coal in U.S. power-generation is rising for the first time since 2014 amid Joe Biden’s crackdown on oil drilling and pipelines.

The Energy Information Administration found coal-fired power generation has increased by 22 percent over the past year amid surging prices of natural gas and oil. The cost of coal power stands at nearly $2 per million of British Thermal Units. Meanwhile, natural gas costs almost $5 for the same amount of energy.

The coal comeback comes despite Biden’s calls to eradicate the use of fossil fuels and a Democrat push for electric cars, which end up being powered by coal-fired power plants.

“Whether you’re looking at natural gas on a global basis or you’re looking at coal a global basis, there’s no give in the system,” explained Dan Yergin, Vice Chairman of IHS Markit. “In a sense we are seeing a consequence on a global basis of a constrained investment going into the energy sector…and the replacements isn’t really there, so there is an imbalance between what the policies and directions are.”
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Last year, coal accounted for some 20 percent of U.S. power generation, but its share is expected to go up in coming years due to a shortage of reliable sources of energy.

www.oann.com

EIA: Coal-fired power generation surges 22% in past year

The share of coal in U.S. power-generation is rising for the first time since 2014 amid Joe Biden's crackdown on oil drilling and pipelines.
www.oann.com www.oann.com
 
Far West said:
That will help the rest of us keep our combustion engine for a few more years....
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Well, my truck only has 65K miles on it and is a 2016. It doesn't have the auto stop, so I plan on keeping it until the wheels fall off, then reinstalling them and going further.

We've been holding onto my wife's SUV crossover (Equinox) 138K miles because we can't find a dealer that has more than three or so SUVs in stock for us to look at. I cringe to thing how much ADP (Additional Dealer Profit) they are adding to those few they do get. We're seriously considering just having factory rebuilt Engine/Trans put in this one and keep going since it doesn't have the auto-stop feature either.
 
The Sound Guy said:
Well, my truck only has 65K miles on it and is a 2016. It doesn't have the auto stop, so I plan on keeping it until the wheels fall off, then reinstalling them and going further.

We've been holding onto my wife's SUV crossover (Equinox) 138K miles because we can't find a dealer that has more than three or so SUVs in stock for us to look at. I cringe to think how much ADP (Additional Dealer Profit) they are adding to those few they do get. We're seriously considering just having factory rebuilt Engine/Trans put in this one and keep going since it doesn't have the auto-stop feature either.
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Yeah, I'm driving a 2004 Volvo that I love... but she is starting to self destruct. When I bought the Volvo, I really thought it would be my last car...sadly it's time to let her go.

The mechanical things (suspension problems, motor mounts, everything plastic on it is crumbling apart,) are expensive to repair and not worth the value of the car. My mechanic advised me to find a new car.

I have been looking for a new "used" car and not found the right one yet. I hope the Volvo hangs in there until I can find a replacement.

I had planned on buying a new Toyota at the end of 2017 when my son was working for Toyota... then I changed my mind when I decided I was going to move back home. I didn't want a car payment. I would have been better off had I just committed to spend the money for a new car back then...
 
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