Very interesting topic concerning the direction of Mary

[Madea]

Why the date of the article should have any bearing on the truth of the article is beyond me. It was brought to light a few years ago but it appears to be gaining momentum to this day. Whether the current pope takes up the matter, we will have to wait and see. :dunno

Anyway.........Here's another fascinating perspective from a former nun of the church. She provides specific details inside the church that many of us aren't privy too. Whether right or wrong, it is interesting to me to see the progression of things and how they come to pass. Movements don't just happen; they have a beginning somewhere and drastic changes from the original intent are quite attractive to those who study them. Having been raised catholic and many family members who continue in the religion, the Mary issue has always fascinated me. I could never make the biblical connection stick but some that I've talked to have tried but in the end, most of their basis goes back to tradition instead of scripture. We all know what deviations are and how they start but sometimes we don't realize how far from the original we get. Another great example is our Constitution.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/mary_worship_a_study.htm

This is likely where we, as non-Catholics, have to be careful. We all know that every faith has an extreme or a side that doesn't believe what the mainstream believers do. As an outsider, it is difficult for us to distinguish that sometimes. Think about this - to some Catholic believers, Westboro Baptist Church IS a Baptist church, regardless of what the Baptists think about them.

:agreed

It's possible some are missing his "raised Catholic" comment. He may currently be "non-Catholic", but not always. (I still agree that we should be careful.)

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Anyone who has accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior is a Christian whether they be Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Catholic, or any other Christian denomination.

Yep as long as it is the Gospel Jesus.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Why the date of the article should have any bearing on the truth of the article is beyond me. It was brought to light a few years ago but it appears to be gaining momentum to this day. Whether the current pope takes up the matter, we will have to wait and see. :dunno

Anyway.........Here's another fascinating perspective from a former nun of the church. She provides specific details inside the church that many of us aren't privy too. Whether right or wrong, it is interesting to me to see the progression of things and how they come to pass. Movements don't just happen; they have a beginning somewhere and drastic changes from the original intent are quite attractive to those who study them. Having been raised catholic and many family members who continue in the religion, the Mary issue has always fascinated me. I could never make the biblical connection stick but some that I've talked to have tried but in the end, most of their basis goes back to tradition instead of scripture. We all know what deviations are and how they start but sometimes we don't realize how far from the original we get. Another great example is our Constitution.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/mary_worship_a_study.htm

This is likely where we, as non-Catholics, have to be careful. We all know that every faith has an extreme or a side that doesn't believe what the mainstream believers do. As an outsider, it is difficult for us to distinguish that sometimes. Think about this - to some Catholic believers, Westboro Baptist Church IS a Baptist church, regardless of what the Baptists think about them.

You are exactly right. I'm keeping my personal opinions to the side and just presenting a topic dear to my heart. If we can't talk about with civility then we can't talk at all. Before I hit enter, I read everything I have posted to make sure I'm not coming across as anything but informative.

That is true, this time. You are just presenting articles. I just found it odd that someone would dig up an older article or feel they have to be informative about someone's religion besides their own. :dunno I didn't feel the need to dig that up and discuss it and I practice it. It is not headline news. (I did/do understand when it is, whether I like it or not. ) ) Like I said, I just found it odd, but you are BS. :snick_bunny

I have not clicked your last link, because frankly for every link someone (anyone) posts about something bad (about anything) someone else can find an article from the other perspective. I would assume a former nun does not have many great things to say. )

 

[ShoeDiva]

Why the date of the article should have any bearing on the truth of the article is beyond me. It was brought to light a few years ago but it appears to be gaining momentum to this day. Whether the current pope takes up the matter, we will have to wait and see. :dunno

Anyway.........Here's another fascinating perspective from a former nun of the church. She provides specific details inside the church that many of us aren't privy too. Whether right or wrong, it is interesting to me to see the progression of things and how they come to pass. Movements don't just happen; they have a beginning somewhere and drastic changes from the original intent are quite attractive to those who study them. Having been raised catholic and many family members who continue in the religion, the Mary issue has always fascinated me. I could never make the biblical connection stick but some that I've talked to have tried but in the end, most of their basis goes back to tradition instead of scripture. We all know what deviations are and how they start but sometimes we don't realize how far from the original we get. Another great example is our Constitution.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/mary_worship_a_study.htm

This is likely where we, as non-Catholics, have to be careful. We all know that every faith has an extreme or a side that doesn't believe what the mainstream believers do. As an outsider, it is difficult for us to distinguish that sometimes. Think about this - to some Catholic believers, Westboro Baptist Church IS a Baptist church, regardless of what the Baptists think about them.

:agreed

It's possible some are missing his "raised Catholic" comment. He may currently be "non-Catholic", but not always. (I still agree that we should be careful.)

I would only assume someone "new" would not know that. BS has said that over the years.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Why the date of the article should have any bearing on the truth of the article is beyond me. It was brought to light a few years ago but it appears to be gaining momentum to this day. Whether the current pope takes up the matter, we will have to wait and see. :dunno

Anyway.........Here's another fascinating perspective from a former nun of the church. She provides specific details inside the church that many of us aren't privy too. Whether right or wrong, it is interesting to me to see the progression of things and how they come to pass. Movements don't just happen; they have a beginning somewhere and drastic changes from the original intent are quite attractive to those who study them. Having been raised catholic and many family members who continue in the religion, the Mary issue has always fascinated me. I could never make the biblical connection stick but some that I've talked to have tried but in the end, most of their basis goes back to tradition instead of scripture. We all know what deviations are and how they start but sometimes we don't realize how far from the original we get. Another great example is our Constitution.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/mary_worship_a_study.htm

This is likely where we, as non-Catholics, have to be careful. We all know that every faith has an extreme or a side that doesn't believe what the mainstream believers do. As an outsider, it is difficult for us to distinguish that sometimes. Think about this - to some Catholic believers, Westboro Baptist Church IS a Baptist church, regardless of what the Baptists think about them.

:agreed

It's possible some are missing his "raised Catholic" comment. He may currently be "non-Catholic", but not always. (I still agree that we should be careful.)

I've been told "once a catholic, always a catholic" by many catholics so if that is true.........then I can say a little more and get away with it, right?

 

[ShoeDiva]

Why the date of the article should have any bearing on the truth of the article is beyond me. It was brought to light a few years ago but it appears to be gaining momentum to this day. Whether the current pope takes up the matter, we will have to wait and see. :dunno

Anyway.........Here's another fascinating perspective from a former nun of the church. She provides specific details inside the church that many of us aren't privy too. Whether right or wrong, it is interesting to me to see the progression of things and how they come to pass. Movements don't just happen; they have a beginning somewhere and drastic changes from the original intent are quite attractive to those who study them. Having been raised catholic and many family members who continue in the religion, the Mary issue has always fascinated me. I could never make the biblical connection stick but some that I've talked to have tried but in the end, most of their basis goes back to tradition instead of scripture. We all know what deviations are and how they start but sometimes we don't realize how far from the original we get. Another great example is our Constitution.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/mary_worship_a_study.htm

This is likely where we, as non-Catholics, have to be careful. We all know that every faith has an extreme or a side that doesn't believe what the mainstream believers do. As an outsider, it is difficult for us to distinguish that sometimes. Think about this - to some Catholic believers, Westboro Baptist Church IS a Baptist church, regardless of what the Baptists think about them.

:agreed

It's possible some are missing his "raised Catholic" comment. He may currently be "non-Catholic", but not always. (I still agree that we should be careful.)

I've been told "once a catholic, always a catholic" by many catholics so if that is true.........then I can say a little more and get away with it, right?

:nunfinger Good try! )

 

[Blazing Saddles]

;D

 

[stradial]

If I knew that BS was raised Catholic, then I forgot it.
It does help me understand his interest in the Catholic church.
I was raised Southern Baptist and while I am not sure if I am still Southern Baptist or not, it is hard to get away from the stuff you were told as a kid.

I think that people who were raised Southern Baptist and Catholic, have the hardest time letting go of what they were taught as kids.
I have no real facts to back this up, but that I know a lot of things that I have no facts to support it.
(example: Kate & I = True love )

 

[Guard Dad]

I'm still a virgin

Sent using mental telepathy

 

[Boss 302]

There are many things about Catholicism that confuses me. I was married once to a Catholic and she couldn't answer my questions. Why go to a priest for confession when you can go to God directly through prayer to confess your sins and ask forgiveness? Why pray to a saint or Mary when you can pray directly to God? I never understood these things about the Catholic church.

 

[ShoeDiva]

There are many things about Catholicism that confuses me. I was married once to a Catholic and she couldn't answer my questions. Why go to a priest for confession when you can go to God directly through prayer to confess your sins and ask forgiveness? Why pray to a saint or Mary when you can pray directly to God? I never understood these things about the Catholic church.

It has been discussed on here a few times regarding prayer with a priest and Mary. I do not have time right now, but if you can not find it or understand let me know and I will post later.

 

[Boss 302]

I found this online:

The text even makes clear how Confession is to be conducted. Christ's representative, the priest, must decide whether to forgive or retain. Therefore, the penitent must confess each and every serious sin, that is anything which separates him from Christ. If the priest judges he is truly sorry, He must absolve since Christ's Passion merited forgiveness for every repentant sinner. Only if the person shows no willingness to give up sin does the priest retain, that is withhold absolution, as we "do not give what is holy to dogs" (Mt 7:6).

This doesn't make sense to me because Christ died on the cross to forgive us for our sins. Jesus made that decision because it was God's will. Why should it be up to a priest to decide whether a person is truly sorry or not and then decide based on that to absolve or retain the sin? That doesn't make sense to me at all. Jesus said the way to God is through him; not someone else.

 

[stradial]

I do not know about how things operate between a priest and his congregation during confession.
But I do think it is a good thing for people to confess their "sins", to someone who will understand.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I found this online:

The text even makes clear how Confession is to be conducted. Christ's representative, the priest, must decide whether to forgive or retain. Therefore, the penitent must confess each and every serious sin, that is anything which separates him from Christ. If the priest judges he is truly sorry, He must absolve since Christ's Passion merited forgiveness for every repentant sinner. Only if the person shows no willingness to give up sin does the priest retain, that is withhold absolution, as we "do not give what is holy to dogs" (Mt 7:6).

This doesn't make sense to me because Christ died on the cross to forgive us for our sins. Jesus made that decision because it was God's will. Why should it be up to a priest to decide whether a person is truly sorry or not and then decide based on that to absolve or retain the sin? That doesn't make sense to me at all. Jesus said the way to God is through him; not someone else.

Well it is a little more in depth than that. Didn't Jesus also give authority to man to forgive? (Matthew I believe) And to the Apostles. You have penance, confession and reconciliation involved. There is a website called Catholic Answers that you could read if you are interested. (and I will not be bothered if you are not ) ) It answers most questions that people have in way to make it easier to understand.

 

[J-man]

I do not know about how things operate between a priest and his congregation during confession.
But I do think it is a good thing for people to confess their "sins", to someone who will understand.

Well if that's the case, for a nominal fee I'll gladly listen. I offer a wide range of price plans to fit your specific needs including a family plan, and of course kids under 8 are always free.

 

[stradial]

I do not know about how things operate between a priest and his congregation during confession.
But I do think it is a good thing for people to confess their "sins", to someone who will understand.

Well if that's the case, for a nominal fee I'll gladly listen. I offer a wide range of price plans to fit your specific needs including a family plan, and of course kids under 8 are always free.

While that is a nice offer (and certainly nothing less than what I would expect from you ) I don't think that is the idea.
But, it may not be a bad business idea.

 

[Boss 302]

I found this online:

The text even makes clear how Confession is to be conducted. Christ's representative, the priest, must decide whether to forgive or retain. Therefore, the penitent must confess each and every serious sin, that is anything which separates him from Christ. If the priest judges he is truly sorry, He must absolve since Christ's Passion merited forgiveness for every repentant sinner. Only if the person shows no willingness to give up sin does the priest retain, that is withhold absolution, as we "do not give what is holy to dogs" (Mt 7:6).

This doesn't make sense to me because Christ died on the cross to forgive us for our sins. Jesus made that decision because it was God's will. Why should it be up to a priest to decide whether a person is truly sorry or not and then decide based on that to absolve or retain the sin? That doesn't make sense to me at all. Jesus said the way to God is through him; not someone else.

Well it is a little more in depth than that. Didn't Jesus also give authority to man to forgive? (Matthew I believe) And to the Apostles. You have penance, confession and reconciliation involved. There is a website called Catholic Answers that you could read if you are interested. (and I will not be bothered if you are not ) ) It answers most questions that people have in way to make it easier to understand.

Jesus died on the cross for our sins. When he filled the apostles with the Holy Spirit and told them if they forgive people for their sins they are forgiven and if they didn't forgive them for their sins, the sins are retained; he was telling them to forgive them as He forgave them. Jesus forgave us for all our sins and the apostles were obligated as all Christians are to forgive people for the sins they commit. Many of us have said before in discussions about homosexuals, "Love the sinner, but not the sin." How can show love if you cannot forgive them?

If I commit a sin against you and then ask you for forgiveness and you grant it; the sin should be forgotten. If you do not forgive me, then you retain that sin; you're hanging on to it. I can go directly to God in prayer and ask him to forgive me for the sin I committed against you and he will forgive me because his word says so. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness" 1 John 1:9. "If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land" 2 Chronicles 7:14.

People don't need an intermediary to receive forgiveness as God will forgive those who confess their sins to him.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I found this online:

The text even makes clear how Confession is to be conducted. Christ's representative, the priest, must decide whether to forgive or retain. Therefore, the penitent must confess each and every serious sin, that is anything which separates him from Christ. If the priest judges he is truly sorry, He must absolve since Christ's Passion merited forgiveness for every repentant sinner. Only if the person shows no willingness to give up sin does the priest retain, that is withhold absolution, as we "do not give what is holy to dogs" (Mt 7:6).

This doesn't make sense to me because Christ died on the cross to forgive us for our sins. Jesus made that decision because it was God's will. Why should it be up to a priest to decide whether a person is truly sorry or not and then decide based on that to absolve or retain the sin? That doesn't make sense to me at all. Jesus said the way to God is through him; not someone else.

Well it is a little more in depth than that. Didn't Jesus also give authority to man to forgive? (Matthew I believe) And to the Apostles. You have penance, confession and reconciliation involved. There is a website called Catholic Answers that you could read if you are interested. (and I will not be bothered if you are not ) ) It answers most questions that people have in way to make it easier to understand.

Jesus died on the cross for our sins. When he filled the apostles with the Holy Spirit and told them if they forgive people for their sins they are forgiven and if they didn't forgive them for their sins, the sins are retained; he was telling them to forgive them as He forgave them. Jesus forgave us for all our sins and the apostles were obligated as all Christians are to forgive people for the sins they commit. Many of us have said before in discussions about homosexuals, "Love the sinner, but not the sin." How can show love if you cannot forgive them?

If I commit a sin against you and then ask you for forgiveness and you grant it; the sin should be forgotten. If you do not forgive me, then you retain that sin; you're hanging on to it. I can go directly to God in prayer and ask him to forgive me for the sin I committed against you and he will forgive me because his word says so. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness" 1 John 1:9. "If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land" 2 Chronicles 7:14.

People don't need an intermediary to receive forgiveness as God will forgive those who confess their sins to him.

Fine, don't become catholic.

 

[stradial]

I found this online:

The text even makes clear how Confession is to be conducted. Christ's representative, the priest, must decide whether to forgive or retain. Therefore, the penitent must confess each and every serious sin, that is anything which separates him from Christ. If the priest judges he is truly sorry, He must absolve since Christ's Passion merited forgiveness for every repentant sinner. Only if the person shows no willingness to give up sin does the priest retain, that is withhold absolution, as we "do not give what is holy to dogs" (Mt 7:6).

This doesn't make sense to me because Christ died on the cross to forgive us for our sins. Jesus made that decision because it was God's will. Why should it be up to a priest to decide whether a person is truly sorry or not and then decide based on that to absolve or retain the sin? That doesn't make sense to me at all. Jesus said the way to God is through him; not someone else.

Well it is a little more in depth than that. Didn't Jesus also give authority to man to forgive? (Matthew I believe) And to the Apostles. You have penance, confession and reconciliation involved. There is a website called Catholic Answers that you could read if you are interested. (and I will not be bothered if you are not ) ) It answers most questions that people have in way to make it easier to understand.

Jesus died on the cross for our sins. When he filled the apostles with the Holy Spirit and told them if they forgive people for their sins they are forgiven and if they didn't forgive them for their sins, the sins are retained; he was telling them to forgive them as He forgave them. Jesus forgave us for all our sins and the apostles were obligated as all Christians are to forgive people for the sins they commit. Many of us have said before in discussions about homosexuals, "Love the sinner, but not the sin." How can show love if you cannot forgive them?

If I commit a sin against you and then ask you for forgiveness and you grant it; the sin should be forgotten. If you do not forgive me, then you retain that sin; you're hanging on to it. I can go directly to God in prayer and ask him to forgive me for the sin I committed against you and he will forgive me because his word says so. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness" 1 John 1:9. "If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land" 2 Chronicles 7:14.

People don't need an intermediary to receive forgiveness as God will forgive those who confess their sins to him.

Fine, don't become catholic.

Problem solved.
:thumbsup

 

[LisaC]

I found this online:

The text even makes clear how Confession is to be conducted. Christ's representative, the priest, must decide whether to forgive or retain. Therefore, the penitent must confess each and every serious sin, that is anything which separates him from Christ. If the priest judges he is truly sorry, He must absolve since Christ's Passion merited forgiveness for every repentant sinner. Only if the person shows no willingness to give up sin does the priest retain, that is withhold absolution, as we "do not give what is holy to dogs" (Mt 7:6).

This doesn't make sense to me because Christ died on the cross to forgive us for our sins. Jesus made that decision because it was God's will. Why should it be up to a priest to decide whether a person is truly sorry or not and then decide based on that to absolve or retain the sin? That doesn't make sense to me at all. Jesus said the way to God is through him; not someone else.

Well it is a little more in depth than that. Didn't Jesus also give authority to man to forgive? (Matthew I believe) And to the Apostles. You have penance, confession and reconciliation involved. There is a website called Catholic Answers that you could read if you are interested. (and I will not be bothered if you are not ) ) It answers most questions that people have in way to make it easier to understand.

Jesus died on the cross for our sins. When he filled the apostles with the Holy Spirit and told them if they forgive people for their sins they are forgiven and if they didn't forgive them for their sins, the sins are retained; he was telling them to forgive them as He forgave them. Jesus forgave us for all our sins and the apostles were obligated as all Christians are to forgive people for the sins they commit. Many of us have said before in discussions about homosexuals, "Love the sinner, but not the sin." How can show love if you cannot forgive them?

If I commit a sin against you and then ask you for forgiveness and you grant it; the sin should be forgotten. If you do not forgive me, then you retain that sin; you're hanging on to it. I can go directly to God in prayer and ask him to forgive me for the sin I committed against you and he will forgive me because his word says so. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness" 1 John 1:9. "If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land" 2 Chronicles 7:14.

People don't need an intermediary to receive forgiveness as God will forgive those who confess their sins to him.

Fine, don't become catholic.

Problem solved.
:thumbsup

:laugh