Very interesting topic concerning the direction of Mary

[stradial]

I look at Mary as the perfect example of what can happen when you are obedient to God. Just imagine what may have occurred if she had said "no" to God.

I'm not Catholic and, while I know a little bit about their faith, I can't even begin to have an opinion on how Catholics should personally define their relationship with Mary.

From what little I have heard discussed from Catholics I know, it depends on the person as to what their relationship is.
Example, the wife never mentions Mary, she mentions God and/or Jesus, but some of her older relatives mention Mary a lot.

I know some (like HB) consider her a great intercessor for their prayers as they do other saints. And, considering Mary a "mediatrix" in that context isn't out of line at all, IMHO.

The funny thing to me is, that how things truly are with God, Jesus and Mary and the rest, do not change no matter what we humans say.
It's not like we can bestow things upon people, only God can do that.
He has not spoken to me concerning the "Mary situation", so I have no idea what is what.
However, that doesn't mean that he hasn't spoken to others about this topic, so again, I have no idea what is what.

 

[LisaC]

I look at Mary as the perfect example of what can happen when you are obedient to God. Just imagine what may have occurred if she had said "no" to God.

I'm not Catholic and, while I know a little bit about their faith, I can't even begin to have an opinion on how Catholics should personally define their relationship with Mary.

From what little I have heard discussed from Catholics I know, it depends on the person as to what their relationship is.
Example, the wife never mentions Mary, she mentions God and/or Jesus, but some of her older relatives mention Mary a lot.

I know some (like HB) consider her a great intercessor for their prayers as they do other saints. And, considering Mary a "mediatrix" in that context isn't out of line at all, IMHO.

The funny thing to me is, that how things truly are with God, Jesus and Mary and the rest, do not change no matter what we humans say.
It's not like we can bestow things upon people, only God can do that.
He has not spoken to me concerning the "Mary situation", so I have no idea what is what.
However, that doesn't mean that he hasn't spoken to others about this topic, so again, I have no idea what is what.

But, keep in mind, that we are called to pray and to act as intercessors and pray for others so I do think that God hears and responds to our prayers.

 

[Grey Colson]

Hey now, there's a silver lining to most everything. I'm kind of diggin' this part...

If this were done, "she would be a vastly more powerful figure, something close to the fourth member of the Holy Trinity and the primary female face through which Christians experience the divine."

If they go from a Trinity to a Quartet, they might start having Southern Gospel Music and dinner on the grounds. N

 

[stradial]

I look at Mary as the perfect example of what can happen when you are obedient to God. Just imagine what may have occurred if she had said "no" to God.

I'm not Catholic and, while I know a little bit about their faith, I can't even begin to have an opinion on how Catholics should personally define their relationship with Mary.

From what little I have heard discussed from Catholics I know, it depends on the person as to what their relationship is.
Example, the wife never mentions Mary, she mentions God and/or Jesus, but some of her older relatives mention Mary a lot.

I know some (like HB) consider her a great intercessor for their prayers as they do other saints. And, considering Mary a "mediatrix" in that context isn't out of line at all, IMHO.

The funny thing to me is, that how things truly are with God, Jesus and Mary and the rest, do not change no matter what we humans say.
It's not like we can bestow things upon people, only God can do that.
He has not spoken to me concerning the "Mary situation", so I have no idea what is what.
However, that doesn't mean that he hasn't spoken to others about this topic, so again, I have no idea what is what.

But, keep in mind, that we are called to pray and to act as intercessors and pray for others so I do think that God hears and responds to our prayers.

Of course and I think that is the main thing, not what name we use.
But that is just me.

 

[LisaC]

I look at Mary as the perfect example of what can happen when you are obedient to God. Just imagine what may have occurred if she had said "no" to God.

I'm not Catholic and, while I know a little bit about their faith, I can't even begin to have an opinion on how Catholics should personally define their relationship with Mary.

From what little I have heard discussed from Catholics I know, it depends on the person as to what their relationship is.
Example, the wife never mentions Mary, she mentions God and/or Jesus, but some of her older relatives mention Mary a lot.

I know some (like HB) consider her a great intercessor for their prayers as they do other saints. And, considering Mary a "mediatrix" in that context isn't out of line at all, IMHO.

The funny thing to me is, that how things truly are with God, Jesus and Mary and the rest, do not change no matter what we humans say.
It's not like we can bestow things upon people, only God can do that.
He has not spoken to me concerning the "Mary situation", so I have no idea what is what.
However, that doesn't mean that he hasn't spoken to others about this topic, so again, I have no idea what is what.

But, keep in mind, that we are called to pray and to act as intercessors and pray for others so I do think that God hears and responds to our prayers.

Of course and I think that is the main thing, not what name we use.
But that is just me.

True, but I'm sure having a saint like Mary step in and say, "Son, could you help sister Lisa out on this one," doesn't hurt at all... (assuming that is what they do).

 

[J-man]

Hey now, there's a silver lining to most everything. I'm kind of diggin' this part...

If this were done, "she would be a vastly more powerful figure, something close to the fourth member of the Holy Trinity and the primary female face through which Christians experience the divine."

If they go from a Trinity to a Quartet, they might start having Southern Gospel Music and dinner on the grounds. N

But it's fish on Fridays, not fried chicken.

 

[Grey Colson]

Hey now, there's a silver lining to most everything. I'm kind of diggin' this part...

If this were done, "she would be a vastly more powerful figure, something close to the fourth member of the Holy Trinity and the primary female face through which Christians experience the divine."

If they go from a Trinity to a Quartet, they might start having Southern Gospel Music and dinner on the grounds. N

But it's fish on Fridays, not fried chicken.

If there's one thing I know the Bible teaches is that you can't get to Heaven without a covered dish

 

[LisaC]

Hey now, there's a silver lining to most everything. I'm kind of diggin' this part...

If this were done, "she would be a vastly more powerful figure, something close to the fourth member of the Holy Trinity and the primary female face through which Christians experience the divine."

If they go from a Trinity to a Quartet, they might start having Southern Gospel Music and dinner on the grounds. N

But it's fish on Fridays, not fried chicken.

Hey, I can batter and fry fish as well as I can batter and fry chicken... :dunno

 

[ShoeDiva]

Why do you care? You are not Catholic and you posted an essay on it. (No I did not read it when I saw how long it was, I will go through my church news for info like that.) Yes, I see you found it "interesting", but honestly I do not think so. I could be wrong....nah.

I'm not Muslim either, but it's good to learn about it. (I'm pretty sure BS isn't a Muslim in disguise either. ))

I understand that Madea. If someone truly wants to learn and ask questions I am all for that. I do that with the Baptists, difference is I do not tell them they are wrong, or infer it at anytime. That has not been the case with Catholic or Muslim discussion.

 

[LisaC]

Why do you care? You are not Catholic and you posted an essay on it. (No I did not read it when I saw how long it was, I will go through my church news for info like that.) Yes, I see you found it "interesting", but honestly I do not think so. I could be wrong....nah.

I'm not Muslim either, but it's good to learn about it. (I'm pretty sure BS isn't a Muslim in disguise either. ) )

I understand that Madea. If someone truly wants to learn and ask questions I am all for that. I do that with the Baptists, difference is I do not tell them they are wrong, or infer it at anytime. That has not been the case with Catholic or Muslim discussion.

I'm just waiting on you to learn that BS knows more about being a Catholic than you do! stirthepot2 stirthepot2 stirthepot2

:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

 

[ShoeDiva]

Why do you care? You are not Catholic and you posted an essay on it. (No I did not read it when I saw how long it was, I will go through my church news for info like that.) Yes, I see you found it "interesting", but honestly I do not think so. I could be wrong....nah.

I'm not Muslim either, but it's good to learn about it. (I'm pretty sure BS isn't a Muslim in disguise either. ) )

I understand that Madea. If someone truly wants to learn and ask questions I am all for that. I do that with the Baptists, difference is I do not tell them they are wrong, or infer it at anytime. That has not been the case with Catholic or Muslim discussion.

I'm just waiting on you to learn that BS knows more about being a Catholic than you do! stirthepot2 stirthepot2 stirthepot2

:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

You crack me up! ) ) )

Again, I wonder if others noticed that I mentioned this is an OLD article. (2000 reprinted 2002...yeah 12 years old)

 

[LisaC]

Why do you care? You are not Catholic and you posted an essay on it. (No I did not read it when I saw how long it was, I will go through my church news for info like that.) Yes, I see you found it "interesting", but honestly I do not think so. I could be wrong....nah.

I'm not Muslim either, but it's good to learn about it. (I'm pretty sure BS isn't a Muslim in disguise either. ) )

I understand that Madea. If someone truly wants to learn and ask questions I am all for that. I do that with the Baptists, difference is I do not tell them they are wrong, or infer it at anytime. That has not been the case with Catholic or Muslim discussion.

I'm just waiting on you to learn that BS knows more about being a Catholic than you do! stirthepot2 stirthepot2 stirthepot2

:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

You crack me up! ) ) )

Again, I wonder if others noticed that I mentioned this is an OLD article. (2000 reprinted 2002...yeah 12 years old)

I did see that - I actually googled the article to see if there were more to it. There are parts of the article that I agree with and other parts (like the petition) I would have to look at more closely before I could decide. Either way, it doesn't diminish the fact that Mary was a vital part of our faith. And, by "our" faith, I'm one of those folks that believe that Catholics are Christians too. For those of you that disagree, that's okay, Jesus loves you too, but maybe you shouldn't make comments about his mama - you know how boys are about folks that talk about their mamas. :whistle

 

[ShoeDiva]

Why do you care? You are not Catholic and you posted an essay on it. (No I did not read it when I saw how long it was, I will go through my church news for info like that.) Yes, I see you found it "interesting", but honestly I do not think so. I could be wrong....nah.

I'm not Muslim either, but it's good to learn about it. (I'm pretty sure BS isn't a Muslim in disguise either. ) )

I understand that Madea. If someone truly wants to learn and ask questions I am all for that. I do that with the Baptists, difference is I do not tell them they are wrong, or infer it at anytime. That has not been the case with Catholic or Muslim discussion.

I'm just waiting on you to learn that BS knows more about being a Catholic than you do! stirthepot2 stirthepot2 stirthepot2

:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

You crack me up! ) ) )

Again, I wonder if others noticed that I mentioned this is an OLD article. (2000 reprinted 2002...yeah 12 years old)

I did see that - I actually googled the article to see if there were more to it. There are parts of the article that I agree with and other parts (like the petition) I would have to look at more closely before I could decide. Either way, it doesn't diminish the fact that Mary was a vital part of our faith. And, by "our" faith, I'm one of those folks that believe that Catholics are Christians too. For those of you that disagree, that's okay, Jesus loves you too, but maybe you shouldn't make comments about his mama - you know how boys are about folks that talk about their mamas. :whistle

) I am soooooo bookmarking this and using that line! :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

 

[J-man]

Why do you care? You are not Catholic and you posted an essay on it. (No I did not read it when I saw how long it was, I will go through my church news for info like that.) Yes, I see you found it "interesting", but honestly I do not think so. I could be wrong....nah.

I'm not Muslim either, but it's good to learn about it. (I'm pretty sure BS isn't a Muslim in disguise either. ) )

I understand that Madea. If someone truly wants to learn and ask questions I am all for that. I do that with the Baptists, difference is I do not tell them they are wrong, or infer it at anytime. That has not been the case with Catholic or Muslim discussion.

I'm just waiting on you to learn that BS knows more about being a Catholic than you do! stirthepot2 stirthepot2 stirthepot2

:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

You crack me up! ) ) )

Again, I wonder if others noticed that I mentioned this is an OLD article. (2000 reprinted 2002...yeah 12 years old)

I did see that - I actually googled the article to see if there were more to it. There are parts of the article that I agree with and other parts (like the petition) I would have to look at more closely before I could decide. Either way, it doesn't diminish the fact that Mary was a vital part of our faith. And, by "our" faith, I'm one of those folks that believe that Catholics are Christians too. For those of you that disagree, that's okay, Jesus loves you too, but maybe you shouldn't make comments about his mama - you know how boys are about folks that talk about their mamas. :whistle

Ok, now that was funny. I just see Jesus now...."You talking about my momma?"

 

[ShoeDiva]

Why do you care? You are not Catholic and you posted an essay on it. (No I did not read it when I saw how long it was, I will go through my church news for info like that.) Yes, I see you found it "interesting", but honestly I do not think so. I could be wrong....nah.

I'm not Muslim either, but it's good to learn about it. (I'm pretty sure BS isn't a Muslim in disguise either. ) )

I understand that Madea. If someone truly wants to learn and ask questions I am all for that. I do that with the Baptists, difference is I do not tell them they are wrong, or infer it at anytime. That has not been the case with Catholic or Muslim discussion.

I'm just waiting on you to learn that BS knows more about being a Catholic than you do! stirthepot2 stirthepot2 stirthepot2

:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

You crack me up! ) ) )

Again, I wonder if others noticed that I mentioned this is an OLD article. (2000 reprinted 2002...yeah 12 years old)

I did see that - I actually googled the article to see if there were more to it. There are parts of the article that I agree with and other parts (like the petition) I would have to look at more closely before I could decide. Either way, it doesn't diminish the fact that Mary was a vital part of our faith. And, by "our" faith, I'm one of those folks that believe that Catholics are Christians too. For those of you that disagree, that's okay, Jesus loves you too, but maybe you shouldn't make comments about his mama - you know how boys are about folks that talk about their mamas. :whistle

Ok, now that was funny. I just see Jesus now...."You talking about my momma?"

:spitchick :laugh :laugh :laugh
Her line has to be a winner for "Best of Dallas Hwy" :firstplace

 

[LisaC]

Why do you care? You are not Catholic and you posted an essay on it. (No I did not read it when I saw how long it was, I will go through my church news for info like that.) Yes, I see you found it "interesting", but honestly I do not think so. I could be wrong....nah.

I'm not Muslim either, but it's good to learn about it. (I'm pretty sure BS isn't a Muslim in disguise either. ) )

I understand that Madea. If someone truly wants to learn and ask questions I am all for that. I do that with the Baptists, difference is I do not tell them they are wrong, or infer it at anytime. That has not been the case with Catholic or Muslim discussion.

I'm just waiting on you to learn that BS knows more about being a Catholic than you do! stirthepot2 stirthepot2 stirthepot2

:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

You crack me up! ) ) )

Again, I wonder if others noticed that I mentioned this is an OLD article. (2000 reprinted 2002...yeah 12 years old)

I did see that - I actually googled the article to see if there were more to it. There are parts of the article that I agree with and other parts (like the petition) I would have to look at more closely before I could decide. Either way, it doesn't diminish the fact that Mary was a vital part of our faith. And, by "our" faith, I'm one of those folks that believe that Catholics are Christians too. For those of you that disagree, that's okay, Jesus loves you too, but maybe you shouldn't make comments about his mama - you know how boys are about folks that talk about their mamas. :whistle

Ok, now that was funny. I just see Jesus now...."You talking about my momma?"

:spitchick :laugh :laugh :laugh
Her line has to be a winner for "Best of Dallas Hwy" :firstplace

And you can bet your sweet bippy that I will thank God, Mary and Jesus in my acceptance speech, because without them, my comment would literally have not been possible.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Why the date of the article should have any bearing on the truth of the article is beyond me. It was brought to light a few years ago but it appears to be gaining momentum to this day. Whether the current pope takes up the matter, we will have to wait and see. :dunno

Anyway.........Here's another fascinating perspective from a former nun of the church. She provides specific details inside the church that many of us aren't privy too. Whether right or wrong, it is interesting to me to see the progression of things and how they come to pass. Movements don't just happen; they have a beginning somewhere and drastic changes from the original intent are quite attractive to those who study them. Having been raised catholic and many family members who continue in the religion, the Mary issue has always fascinated me. I could never make the biblical connection stick but some that I've talked to have tried but in the end, most of their basis goes back to tradition instead of scripture. We all know what deviations are and how they start but sometimes we don't realize how far from the original we get. Another great example is our Constitution.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/mary_worship_a_study.htm

 

[LisaC]

Why the date of the article should have any bearing on the truth of the article is beyond me. It was brought to light a few years ago but it appears to be gaining momentum to this day. Whether the current pope takes up the matter, we will have to wait and see. :dunno

Anyway.........Here's another fascinating perspective from a former nun of the church. She provides specific details inside the church that many of us aren't privy too. Whether right or wrong, it is interesting to me to see the progression of things and how they come to pass. Movements don't just happen; they have a beginning somewhere and drastic changes from the original intent are quite attractive to those who study them. Having been raised catholic and many family members who continue in the religion, the Mary issue has always fascinated me. I could never make the biblical connection stick but some that I've talked to have tried but in the end, most of their basis goes back to tradition instead of scripture. We all know what deviations are and how they start but sometimes we don't realize how far from the original we get. Another great example is our Constitution.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/mary_worship_a_study.htm

This is likely where we, as non-Catholics, have to be careful. We all know that every faith has an extreme or a side that doesn't believe what the mainstream believers do. As an outsider, it is difficult for us to distinguish that sometimes. Think about this - to some Catholic believers, Westboro Baptist Church IS a Baptist church, regardless of what the Baptists think about them.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Why the date of the article should have any bearing on the truth of the article is beyond me. It was brought to light a few years ago but it appears to be gaining momentum to this day. Whether the current pope takes up the matter, we will have to wait and see. :dunno

Anyway.........Here's another fascinating perspective from a former nun of the church. She provides specific details inside the church that many of us aren't privy too. Whether right or wrong, it is interesting to me to see the progression of things and how they come to pass. Movements don't just happen; they have a beginning somewhere and drastic changes from the original intent are quite attractive to those who study them. Having been raised catholic and many family members who continue in the religion, the Mary issue has always fascinated me. I could never make the biblical connection stick but some that I've talked to have tried but in the end, most of their basis goes back to tradition instead of scripture. We all know what deviations are and how they start but sometimes we don't realize how far from the original we get. Another great example is our Constitution.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/mary_worship_a_study.htm

This is likely where we, as non-Catholics, have to be careful. We all know that every faith has an extreme or a side that doesn't believe what the mainstream believers do. As an outsider, it is difficult for us to distinguish that sometimes. Think about this - to some Catholic believers, Westboro Baptist Church IS a Baptist church, regardless of what the Baptists think about them.

You are exactly right. I'm keeping my personal opinions to the side and just presenting a topic dear to my heart. If we can't talk about with civility then we can't talk at all. Before I hit enter, I read everything I have posted to make sure I'm not coming across as anything but informative.

 

[Boss 302]

Anyone who has accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior is a Christian whether they be Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Catholic, or any other Christian denomination.