South Carolina Shootingly

[Waski_the_Squirrel]

Since no one else has posted about it, I thought I'd throw up a post about the recent shooting in South Carolina. This link gives the most wide-ranging amount of information, but you can find good articles on most new sites.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3031326/Witness-filmed-Walter-Scott-murder-breaks-silence-describing-emotional-moment-gave-video-victim-s-family-fundraising-site-SUPPORTING-killer-cop-continues-receive-donations.html

Honestly, the video is going to be tough for the police officer to explain away. It also really contradicts the officer's own report of the event. There are other reports popping up showing the officer may have a history of troublesome events.

 

[cptlo]

Based on the video the cop is in trouble and should be prosecuted.

 

[The Sound Guy]

Yep. He definitely let his emotions get away from him. That many shots at a guy running away is crazy.

Now I'll say that it's easy to let your emotions get away from you... but if you are armed, you have a special requirement to judge your actions before taking them.

I think he's going to go down for this one.

 

[lotstodo]

You can't shoot someone just because you don't want to chase them. The guy was clearly running away and was some distance away. That's murder.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Based on the video the cop is in trouble and should be prosecuted.

:agreed


It has been all over every news media outlet there is. I was a little surprised that we were not talking about it, but really I guess there is not much to say. The video is very telling and contradicts the officer. I believe we would all agree that the man should never have run, a night or two in jail because of child support would have been better. :dunno But, I can not fathom a reason why the police officer shot him. At least with what I have seen and what has been reported.

 

[J-man]

I hate to say this about the cop but, "He gone." I also hate it for the one who lost his life. I'm not going to make any judgements because I don't know all the facts, just what's been in the news. I hope the cop gets a fair trial and that the justice system proves it can and does work, no matter what the outcome.

 

[stradial]

You can't shoot someone just because you don't want to chase them. The guy was clearly running away and was some distance away. That's murder.

You used to could.
But that was back in the days when you only ran because you were guilty.
It is still that way today, but now we baby the criminals.
I mean, Bonnie & Clyde weren't even running, they were just sitting in a car.
And Bonnie hadn't been tried and convicted of anything.
Yet, back then we knew that old saying was true, "Some people just need shooting."

 

[stradial]

I wonder if there would be less crime if you knew; commit a crime and get caught, risk going to prison: commit a crime and run to keep from getting caught, risk going to the graveyard.

Commit no crimes, no need to run.

 

[Waski_the_Squirrel]

I wonder if there would be less crime if you knew; commit a crime and get caught, risk going to prison: commit a crime and run to keep from getting caught, risk going to the graveyard.

Commit no crimes, no need to run.

Since crime in all major categories has been going down for years, I don't think a law like this is necessary.

 

[ShoeDiva]

You can't shoot someone just because you don't want to chase them. The guy was clearly running away and was some distance away. That's murder.

You used to could.
But that was back in the days when you only ran because you were guilty.
It is still that way today, but now we baby the criminals.
I mean, Bonnie & Clyde weren't even running, they were just sitting in a car.
And Bonnie hadn't been tried and convicted of anything.
Yet, back then we knew that old saying was true, "Some people just need shooting."

I really do not think in this instance anyone "babied" the man shot. :dunno


Do you believe this man "needed shooting?" I do not. Yes, I believe he should not have run and should have been charged for that. I have not read anything that would even remotely put him in the category of "some people need shooting."


Did you see the video (and the police cam one) that was just hard to watch. The man shooting was angry, mad, whatever...not representing the police I know.

 

[Grey Colson]

Based on the video the cop is in trouble and should be prosecuted.

Agreed and he will be prosecuted. So much for those who say the police can not police themselves. I would make no excuse for this guy, but you absolutely CAN shoot at a suspect running away from you. Normally it would be when they have demonstrated violence by committing a forcible felony and have in their possession the means to harm another person (running away with a gun, knife, etc). Oh, and we don't want to forget an escaped felon with a conviction of forcible felonies. 8)

 

[stradial]

I wonder if there would be less crime if you knew; commit a crime and get caught, risk going to prison: commit a crime and run to keep from getting caught, risk going to the graveyard.

Commit no crimes, no need to run.

Since crime in all major categories has been going down for years, I don't think a law like this is necessary.

Crime is not down.
Don't believe everything you hear.
If you think crime is down, go to a major city and leave you car unlocked and the keys in it.
Let me know how that goes.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave your bicycle laying out on the front lawn for a week.
Let me know how that goes.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave your 5 and 6 yr old kids in the car, with the windows down, at a shopping center while you go shopping.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave the keys in your car at night, year round.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave your doors to your house unlocked year round.
You could do that in the 60s.


When you start doing these things, and nothing happens, then I will believe that there is less crime today than when I was a kid.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I wonder if there would be less crime if you knew; commit a crime and get caught, risk going to prison: commit a crime and run to keep from getting caught, risk going to the graveyard.

Commit no crimes, no need to run.

Since crime in all major categories has been going down for years, I don't think a law like this is necessary.

Crime is not down.
Don't believe everything you hear.
If you think crime is down, go to a major city and leave you car unlocked and the keys in it.
Let me know how that goes.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave your bicycle laying out on the front lawn for a week.
Let me know how that goes.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave your 5 and 6 yr old kids in the car, with the windows down, at a shopping center while you go shopping.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave the keys in your car at night, year round.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave your doors to your house unlocked year round.
You could do that in the 60s.


When you start doing these things, and nothing happens, then I will believe that there is less crime today than when I was a kid.

The national statistics do show crime is down. You can say you could do this or that back then, but not in present day, and I do not disagree with that point, but the fact that crime is down is a fact, not a belief.
Once again I do think that our perception is skewed because of everything we see and hear. Back then did you see and hear or have access to all that was happening? No, and I think that is where many believe that we were safer in that time and things did not happen. They did, we just did not hear about them on a level we do now.

 

[deewee]

I don't know the whole story, as in what happened prior to the shooting, but the cop should be charged with murder based on that video. If other cops were lying to "cover" for the shooter, then they should be faced with some charges of their own. That ain't cool...at all.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I don't know the whole story, as in what happened prior to the shooting, but the cop should be charged with murder based on that video. If other cops were lying to "cover" for the shooter, then they should be faced with some charges of their own. That ain't cool...at all.

:agreed

 

[stradial]

I wonder if there would be less crime if you knew; commit a crime and get caught, risk going to prison: commit a crime and run to keep from getting caught, risk going to the graveyard.

Commit no crimes, no need to run.

Since crime in all major categories has been going down for years, I don't think a law like this is necessary.

Crime is not down.
Don't believe everything you hear.
If you think crime is down, go to a major city and leave you car unlocked and the keys in it.
Let me know how that goes.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave your bicycle laying out on the front lawn for a week.
Let me know how that goes.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave your 5 and 6 yr old kids in the car, with the windows down, at a shopping center while you go shopping.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave the keys in your car at night, year round.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave your doors to your house unlocked year round.
You could do that in the 60s.


When you start doing these things, and nothing happens, then I will believe that there is less crime today than when I was a kid.

The national statistics do show crime is down. You can say you could do this or that back then, but not in present day, and I do not disagree with that point, but the fact that crime is down is a fact, not a belief.
Once again I do think that our perception is skewed because of everything we see and hear. Back then did you see and hear or have access to all that was happening? No, and I think that is where many believe that we were safer in that time and things did not happen. They did, we just did not hear about them on a level we do now.

I will disagree.
Statistics can be manipulated.
Remember when it was found out that the city of Atlanta was manipulating the numbers to show that crime and murder was down in the ATL, when the fact was, it was up?
Forget that, "you hear more about it, that's why you think crime is up", thing.
Growing up, no one in our extended neighborhood was ever robbed and back then we knew everyone for streets and streets around.
But, just in our little neighborhood here, where I know 3 people, I know of several robberies in the neighborhood.
Heck, the wife's car has had stuff stolen out of it, 3 times.
I grew up in Smyrna, with an uncle on the police force, we knew what was going on in that town and I can promise you, that there is a heck of a lot more crime today in that city in one year than there was in many years combined back when I was growing up.
And now Smyrna is considered a great place to live, so it's not like it has gone downhill.
And as far as shooting em goes, I think if you run from the cops, they should be able to shoot you if the wish.
Just don't run and you will be fine.
I know I am in the minority on that position.
Trust me, the wife is not on my wife either.

 

[J-man]

I wonder if there would be less crime if you knew; commit a crime and get caught, risk going to prison: commit a crime and run to keep from getting caught, risk going to the graveyard.

Commit no crimes, no need to run.

Since crime in all major categories has been going down for years, I don't think a law like this is necessary.

Crime is not down.
Don't believe everything you hear.
If you think crime is down, go to a major city and leave you car unlocked and the keys in it.
Let me know how that goes.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave your bicycle laying out on the front lawn for a week.
Let me know how that goes.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave your 5 and 6 yr old kids in the car, with the windows down, at a shopping center while you go shopping.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave the keys in your car at night, year round.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave your doors to your house unlocked year round.
You could do that in the 60s.


When you start doing these things, and nothing happens, then I will believe that there is less crime today than when I was a kid.

Heck, I still do most of those today and I've not had a problem. Now granted I don't hang out in the "hood" either. I've never locked my Hummer and I've had it since 2003. My thought is if they're going to break in then open the door, don't smash a window. As for the house, come on in and take what you want, you just have to get past the pit bull and cache of weapons. My theory is if something bad is going to happen it's going to happen, don't frequent crime infested areas and be aware of your surroundings at all times. That's worked for me for 50 years now.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I wonder if there would be less crime if you knew; commit a crime and get caught, risk going to prison: commit a crime and run to keep from getting caught, risk going to the graveyard.

Commit no crimes, no need to run.

Since crime in all major categories has been going down for years, I don't think a law like this is necessary.

Crime is not down.
Don't believe everything you hear.
If you think crime is down, go to a major city and leave you car unlocked and the keys in it.
Let me know how that goes.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave your bicycle laying out on the front lawn for a week.
Let me know how that goes.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave your 5 and 6 yr old kids in the car, with the windows down, at a shopping center while you go shopping.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave the keys in your car at night, year round.
You could do that in the 60s.

Or leave your doors to your house unlocked year round.
You could do that in the 60s.


When you start doing these things, and nothing happens, then I will believe that there is less crime today than when I was a kid.

The national statistics do show crime is down. You can say you could do this or that back then, but not in present day, and I do not disagree with that point, but the fact that crime is down is a fact, not a belief.
Once again I do think that our perception is skewed because of everything we see and hear. Back then did you see and hear or have access to all that was happening? No, and I think that is where many believe that we were safer in that time and things did not happen. They did, we just did not hear about them on a level we do now.

I will disagree.
Statistics can be manipulated.
Remember when it was found out that the city of Atlanta was manipulating the numbers to show that crime and murder was down in the ATL, when the fact was, it was up?
Forget that, "you hear more about it, that's why you think crime is up", thing.
Growing up, no one in our extended neighborhood was ever robbed and back then we knew everyone for streets and streets around.
But, just in our little neighborhood here, where I know 3 people, I know of several robberies in the neighborhood.
Heck, the wife's car has had stuff stolen out of it, 3 times.
I grew up in Smyrna, with an uncle on the police force, we knew what was going on in that town and I can promise you, that there is a heck of a lot more crime today in that city in one year than there was in many years combined back when I was growing up.
And now Smyrna is considered a great place to live, so it's not like it has gone downhill.
And as far as shooting em goes, I think if you run from the cops, they should be able to shoot you if the wish.
Just don't run and you will be fine.
I know I am in the minority on that position.
Trust me, the wife is not on my wife either.

We will have to agree to disagree. AND your wife is always right. :taunt

 

[Boss 302]

The DA is wrong to charge the officer with first degree murder. Has anyone seen the video from the officer's dash cam? There was no premeditation there.

The victim was more than $18,000 behind in child support. He hadn't made a child support payment since June 2012. Warrants were also out for his arrest for not paying support. His driver's license was suspended by the state because he had not been making child support payments. He ran from his car attempting to avoid being arrested for non-support and driving on a suspended license. Now his running away does not constitute a police officer shooting him.

The bottom line is, Walter Scott would be alive today if he had just stayed in his car and accepted the fact he was going to be arrested and going to jail. Life sucks sometimes, but people make it suck more for themselves when they do stupid stuff and Scott is an example of that; the police officer as well.

The officer, instead of shooting the guy had two better options: let him go and then pick him up later on warrants or continue to chase after him on foot keeping dispatch informed of his position so backup could find him.

 

[LisaC]

This is a pretty clear cut case, in my opinion. The Air Force base that the hubby was stationed at is located in North Charleston - it makes me sad that this happened in that community, but I'm proud of the way the City has responded. And, the family of the man shot has demonstrated a lot of class in my book - the news reports last night said that they have asked Al Sharpton NOT to get involved because they do not want this to turn into another Ferguson.

But, there will be a wrongful death lawsuit/settlement - you can bet the farm on that one...